Linked by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:16 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes After a long development period, we're ready to introduce the first "release candidate" of OSNews version 4. OSN4 is a very big change for us - for years, we've worked with the mantra "We render everywhere." We are still using MySQL and PHP, like in Eugenia's OSNews v2, but with the sudden prevalence of newer web technologies, we've decided that in order to really offer the best platform for our readers, it was time to enter a brave new world. Read on for details and the link. Updated: ("read more" to see update)
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Thoughts on the new design
by iarann on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:47 UTC
iarann
Member since:
2006-05-14

I think my only real problem with it is everything is to the left of center. It appears more then a third of the right side of the screen is used up by links and dead space, making things a little awkward on a 20 inch monitor because everything else is shifted so far to the left. With the current version, everything is centered nicely making it easier to read. The lemonade color scheme seems a little garish as well compared to the nice subtle gray. I do like having the recent comments on the right hand side, though this site gets commented on a little faster then I can follow. I also like having direct links to some of the account things, like messages there.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Thoughts on the new design
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:50 UTC in reply to "Thoughts on the new design"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

It appears more then a third of the right side of the screen is used up by links and dead space, making things a little awkward on a 20 inch monitor

As I just replied to your PM:

I use a 20" iMac at home, and I haven't had a problem with it. The thing is, it's not 1/3 of the screen - it's 255 pixels at max - shouldn't get any wider. On a 20", you should see the vast majority of the text widely spaced across the page.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Thoughts on the new design
by miscz on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Thoughts on the new design"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

Even with dynamic layout it's a good practice to limit maximum width and center the page after certain size. Wasting space is not bad but looks bad if it's not symmetric ;)

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: Thoughts on the new design
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Thoughts on the new design"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

I've limited the page to 95% of the available width to center things a little. I'll research it and maybe we'll limit it to a certain number of pixels if people still complain.

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: Thoughts on the new design
by Nalle on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 10:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Thoughts on the new design"
Nalle Member since:
2005-07-06

I do much prefer the percent approach rather than the pixel approach. The percent approach scales better me thinks.

Reply Score: 1

Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

I like the centered approach better as well. It's always been one of the nice things about OSNews that set it apart from other sites.

That said, my monitor's not big enough for me to see the difference. To me, OSNews v4 looks sweet!

Edited 2007-03-24 09:37

Reply Score: 2

RE: Thoughts on the new design
by abdavidson on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:57 UTC in reply to "Thoughts on the new design"
abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

I see similar on my 22". The right hand area doesn't seem to be right aligned to the page so there is a chunk of dead space to the right of it between it and the page boundary.

Also I'd suggest, that the right hand stuff needs *something* to differentiate it from the main content, be that boxing it, putting some divider, but as it stands it is quite distracting when scanning across the page/articles/comments to have text just hanging there.

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: Thoughts on the new design
by abdavidson on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Thoughts on the new design"
abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

Instead of

%div id="side"%

how about

%div id="side" style="float:right"%

Just played with that in Opera (live editing) and that 'fixes' things there at least...?

Reply Score: 2

RE: Thoughts on the new design
by CPUGuy on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:43 UTC in reply to "Thoughts on the new design"
CPUGuy Member since:
2005-07-06

Everything is left justified which I don't like all that much, current version of OSNews is all centered, which makes navigation easier since you aren't moveing the mouse back and forth all the way across the screen.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Thoughts on the new design
by kwanbis on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 20:13 UTC in reply to "Thoughts on the new design"
kwanbis Member since:
2005-07-06

completely agree ... why, o why, it does not uses 99% of my page with? It looks really silly on my 1420 x 1024 screen.

Here is what i mean: http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/9798/wastedhc7.png

Edited 2007-03-22 20:17

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Thoughts on the new design
by vegai on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 13:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Thoughts on the new design"
vegai Member since:
2005-12-25

Might be reserved for ads?

Reply Score: 1

RE: Thoughts on the new design
by biteydog on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 09:58 UTC in reply to "Thoughts on the new design"
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2005-10-06

Centres up fine for me (1600x1200, Firefox, Opera, Konqueror) - perhaps it's been fixed now, ALTHOUGH IE6 spreads it across the whole screen (less good).

I rarely run my browser full width anyway because lots of sites crunch up to the left, and 1600 is just too wide for browsing.

I normally run Opera with 120% zoom on the page as standard (nice feature), as 1600x1200 is great for my graphics work, less good for reading in a browser.

Reply Score: 2

Site looks
by trygvebw on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:47 UTC
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Member since:
2005-08-26

I must say i don't like the new look of the site, it kind of looks too traditional, however, the new features seem very promising.

Reply Score: 5

New design
by Almafeta on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:50 UTC
Almafeta
Member since:
2007-02-22

CSS

RSS

Javascript


So this is the "Internet Explorer Only" version of OSnews?

At least the layout's main column is no longer fixed-width...

Reply Score: 1

RE: New design
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:53 UTC in reply to "New design"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

CSS

RSS

Javascript

So this is the "Internet Explorer Only" version of OSnews?


Welcome to 2007, dude. I know this is an obvious troll, but for the record, I've tested the site in Safari, Camino, Firefox, Opera, and IE7. CSS, RSS, and JS are all cross platform technologies, most of which are better supported than browsers other than IE.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: New design
by Damnshock on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:36 UTC in reply to "RE: New design"
Damnshock Member since:
2006-09-15

What about my beloved konqueror? ;)

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: New design
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: New design"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

What about my beloved konqueror? ;)


Works in Safari, should work in Konq... let me know, ok?

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: New design
by Damnshock on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:06 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: New design"
Damnshock Member since:
2006-09-15

It seems to work ;)

Anyway, in both firefox and konqueror, when I resize my window to a relative small size (width 900px more or less) the right menu disapears

Damnshock

EDIT: the right menu moves to the bottom of the page

Edited 2007-03-22 18:07 UTC

Reply Score: 2

RE[5]: New design
by kmarius on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:58 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: New design"
kmarius Member since:
2005-06-30

That happens with Internet Explorer 7 also, so it's a cross platform bug :-)

Reply Score: 1

RE[5]: New design
by Stock on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 14:11 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: New design"
Stock Member since:
2005-08-31

Hardly extensive testing, but a quick browse around the site didn't throw up any obvious problems with Konqueror.

If I get the time I'll be doing a very thorough test. I don't like the idea of any "capable" browser missing critical features.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: New design
by binarycrusader on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:31 UTC in reply to "RE: New design"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

Indeed. It works just fine in FireFox for me.

Reply Score: 2

RE: New design
by cilcoder on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:56 UTC in reply to "New design"
cilcoder Member since:
2005-07-06

What's Internet Explorer specific about it? Those are all standards.

Reply Score: 5

RE: New design
by stestagg on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:53 UTC in reply to "New design"
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2006-06-03

CSo this is the "Internet Explorer Only" version of OSnews?


... And firefox, and Opera, (and Safari?)

Reply Score: 2

Missing separators
by osterfrank on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:55 UTC
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2006-10-14

I think the current layout with the boxes around the news items is much clearer than the new layout where news items and Google ads are mixed without any kind of separators.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Missing separators
by binarycrusader on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:29 UTC in reply to "Missing separators"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

I agree.

Reply Score: 4

I like the comments area
by JCooper on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 14:58 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

The title boxes are very nice. It does get difficult viewing threaded comments though. I also think the highlight for "my comments" is a little colour-rich when compared to the rest of the site.

Reply Score: 2

v Drink
by Duffman on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:00 UTC
RE: Drink
by ChrisG on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:53 UTC in reply to "Drink"
ChrisG Member since:
2005-07-09

I like the avatar feature too

I would prefer it if the navigation bar was on the left (the whole site feels slightly back-to-front to me), but thats not a big complaint to be honest.

In general, I like the changes. A bit of tweaking during the beta period and I think you'll have a winner

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Drink
by jrlah on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 08:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Drink"
jrlah Member since:
2005-08-09

I think that the default avatar is way too intrusing. It really looks as if ssomebody is talking to himself all the time.

In general, I do NOT like the avatar idea, at leasst design-wise. The beta site looks OK and uniform now, but when people start coming up with their own avatars it will turn tur into a cachophony of shapes and colors. Perhaps limit it only to chosing one of OSNEWS predesigned avatars?

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: Drink
by Nalle on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 10:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Drink"
Nalle Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, that's an idea, but that would prevent people using their real picture as avatar and I find that to be a point to consider at least. I mean, I (and I suppose many other) would want to do just that.

./nalle.

Reply Score: 1

Comment by karl1
by karl1 on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:00 UTC
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Member since:
2005-06-29

Love the new feature list! Congratulations to OSNews on getting the infrastructure together.

The new look is pretty scary. The OSNews logo is a little too web2.0ified for my tastes, and the "Submit News" button looks quite unprofessional. Plus, it wouldn't be a bad idea to columnize things again so that everything doesn't just flow out of everything else.

Still, always nice to see OSNews come out with a new version of the site. There has definitely been a lot of hard work that should be appreciated.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Comment by karl1
by aesiamun on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 00:23 UTC in reply to "Comment by karl1"
aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

I think the submit button is going to be replaced...this is just a placeholder.

Reply Score: 2

Well... This is not optimal
by Ben Jao Ming on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:01 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-26

There is too much clutter. The news features (especially the headlines) are hard for the eye to skim. And the lines of text grow too wide to read in a big window.

Here's an example of what I mean: The headlines have one indention due to the star icon on the left. Then comes the dating with another indention and then the main text with a third kind of indention and the comment count with a fourth indention. This stuff needs rational alignment.

All-in-all: Better alignment, more boxes and more spacing. That's how you make stuff easy for the eye, and that's really a key concept when you make a site that people skim through 2-3 times a day.

Sorry to say so, but I really think you can come up with something better.. or at least improve stuff.. I don't mean to say "redo the whole thing".

I like the fresh colors though. The current OSNews is a bit sad... you should do more prozac commercials ;)

Edited 2007-03-22 15:03

Reply Score: 5

Hmmm...
by Snifflez on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:03 UTC
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Member since:
2005-11-15

I'm digging the new look. Everything is so... green.

The eye... It's talking to me, the eye is talking to me! It tells me to do things... Burn things. Kill things.

Reply Score: 5

Select and click for bold/italic?
by abdavidson on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:03 UTC
abdavidson
Member since:
2005-07-06

Instead of the "Add Bold" and "Add Italic" (or was well as?) how about using the

document.selection.createRange().text
document.getSelection()
window.getSelection()


functions to allow a person to type, drag select the text and click the button (which would then grab the selected text, parse it and paste it back in?

Reply Score: 2

abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

Heh, I've been faffing about with this since I suggested it and its after 2am here so I should really stop... but... must... get it... working.

Reply Score: 2

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Those don't work in textareas. There are javascripts out there that can capture highlighted text from a textarea, but in to get, find, and replace subsets is much more difficult.

Reply Score: 1

abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

Oh, the text selecting functions do work within the textarea, the problem is then finding out if it was already within the textarea, and if so, replacing the existing subset (as you say).

The other conditions are all easy (because text is just added at the end of the textarea in those cases)

I'm heading off for the weekend now but if I manage to come up with something for that that you can pop in place, would you want it?

Reply Score: 2

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

whoops--- dupe.

Edited 2007-03-23 02:34 UTC

Reply Score: 1

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Oh, the text selecting functions do work within the textarea, the problem is then finding out if it was already within the textarea, and if so, replacing the existing subset (as you say).

Beat you to it! I've already implemented it!

Reply Score: 1

Feature requets
by Duffman on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:03 UTC
Duffman
Member since:
2005-11-23

I would like to be able to click on the link of pending news.

Today you can see the list of news not published, submited by readers. I would like to be able to see which article they are refering to because:
1) I don't want to link the same article.
2) Sometimes I saw interesting articles that the 'moderators' are not interested in and thus not published.

Thanks!

Reply Score: 3

RE: Feature requets
by yuvaraj on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:22 UTC in reply to "Feature requets"
yuvaraj Member since:
2005-07-08

I feel that.. it is toooooo whiteeee...

we should be able to personalize it...

It doesnt have that elegant professional touch

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Feature requets
by Duffman on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 08:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Feature requets"
Duffman Member since:
2005-11-23

Well, OSNews never had an elegant professional touch.

Always looked ugly.

Reply Score: 1

Nice, very nice!
by SaidinUnleashed on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:04 UTC
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Member since:
2006-08-21

I must say, with a few nitpicks that I won't mention, because I don't really care that much, I really like the new schema! Bravo, my winged simian web-coding friends, bravo! i hope they give you an extra banana!

Reply Score: 2

Looks good but...
by CharAznable on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:06 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

I consider the current site design to be the absolute best out of all the tech news sites I visit. It's always fast and it literally renders everywhere. We'll see if the new one matches it.

Reply Score: 5

step in the right direction
by laydros on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:09 UTC
laydros
Member since:
2006-04-20

It's definitely good to see osnews step up to the plate to update a bit, and I generally like the new layout. I will agree with some other commenters that there are a few things to look at:

-new logo is too web 2.0
-things seem to be a bit left
-there should be more boxing or dividers or something to keep the meat of the content as the focus
-submit news image looks like something from a late 90's site that said "Under Construction"

OSnews is probably the most important news site to me, second only to my personal email as something that I keep up with, so it's nice to keep the simplicity to it. I'm very excited to see the preview of the new layout, and hope with some tweaks we see it soon.

Reply Score: 4

works on opera mini
by fretinator on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:10 UTC
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2005-07-06

Renders fine on opera mini on my cell.

Browser: Opera/8.01 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/3.1.7139/1644; en; U; ssr)

Reply Score: 3

RE: works on opera mini
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:44 UTC in reply to "works on opera mini"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Opera mini is served v3-mobile, not v4. But it's good to know that redirection works!

Reply Score: 1

RE: works on opera mini
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:47 UTC in reply to "works on opera mini"
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2005-04-01

whoops - my bad!

Edited 2007-03-22 17:47 UTC

Reply Score: 1

Ugh...
by merkoth on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:10 UTC
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Member since:
2006-09-22

Nice features, but I don't really like the look. Too bland for my taste. That submit news button... the font doesn't does well with the overall look, and the inclination serves no purpose. The right bar really needs some love, you need better separation between blocks.

As I said, the features are great, but the look needs major improvements and polishing. Keep the good work guys!

Reply Score: 2

hmmm
by Flatline on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:11 UTC
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2006-03-06

Interestingly, none of my Firefox browsers seem to be able to render the stuff on the right side of the site (recent comments, etc.). 3 different distros and a Windows machine, and none of them seem to be able to do it (yes, javascript is turned on); it shows up at the bottom of the screen. Opera and IE seem to be fine, though...is there something I'm missing?

Edited 2007-03-22 15:12 UTC

Reply Score: 3

RE: hmmm
by merkoth on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:13 UTC in reply to "hmmm"
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

I'm writing this from Firefox 2.0.3 Windows 2K and the right bar seems to render just fine :/

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: hmmm
by Flatline on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:18 UTC in reply to "RE: hmmm"
Flatline Member since:
2006-03-06

How odd. All my Firefox installs are 2.0.3, and I get the same thing from Ubuntu, Suse, and Slackware, as well as Win2K.

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: hmmm
by rob_mx on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: hmmm"
rob_mx Member since:
2005-08-04

It might be that your browser window is too small. It happens to me when I change the window size (the right bar is moved to the bottom)

Reply Score: 1

RE: hmmm
by fretinator on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:40 UTC in reply to "hmmm"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

I had the same problem initially, I just had to widen my browser window.

Reply Score: 2

how bout links
by laydros on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:12 UTC
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Member since:
2006-04-20

I'll have to test it out later, but one of my favorite things about the current OSNews is that it actually renders very well in links, I wonder if this new version will too?

Reply Score: 1

RE: how bout links
by stestagg on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:01 UTC in reply to "how bout links"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

Well, it looks good in lynx, you get redirected to the mobile site. The main drawback is that you can't reply to, or mod comments. But reading articles & comments is easy, and looks good.

Reply Score: 1

Themes
by CodeMonkey on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:14 UTC
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2005-09-22

I miss not having theme options in user preferences. It's nice to be able to switch between the blue and green themes from time to time.

Also on the front page and comment pages, I don't like how all the articles are simply separated by empty space on the page. I like how the previous setup was with each article summary and each comment being in it's own aesthetically pleasing box.

Reply Score: 5

Nice
by twenex on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:15 UTC
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2006-04-21

Much nicer than the old site, particularly the "recent comments" feature.

Reply Score: 2

Beta-Site
by scorptig on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:18 UTC
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2006-03-06

OK just reading about this, first thing, top has background color, bottom does not. I'll be looking at your CSS, though I know that will evolve. The end product I am sure will be quite excellent. However If
I look at current site, it's quite excellent already.
I can see you intoducing some new features. Anyway don't rush. We shall do cross-browser testing.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Beta-Site
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:40 UTC in reply to "Beta-Site"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

OK just reading about this, first thing, top has background color, bottom does not.


That's intentional; it's called a gradient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradient

Reply Score: 1

Favicon?
by gothic on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:18 UTC
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2005-07-06

There isn't any favicon with the new logo. And I think OSnews team should do a clean up in the CSS at http://www.cleancss.com

I like more the menu in the left and the news on the right.. :-)

Good work!

Reply Score: 1

RE: Favicon?
by Jedd on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:24 UTC in reply to "Favicon?"
Jedd Member since:
2005-07-06

I love the new look, except, for just that, the menu needs to be on the left. I agree with ya. ;)

Reply Score: 1

Kinda OK
by Ikshaar on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:19 UTC
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2005-07-14

* Revamp of comments is nice.

Two major dislikes:
- The lack of separation between stories (versus current "box" and space between each story which makes it easy to read through titles fast)

- The left alignment (versus current center). At least invert columns - menu/tools on left so it would make the beginning of main story around center.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Kinda OK
by Nalle on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 10:48 UTC in reply to "Kinda OK"
Nalle Member since:
2005-07-06

Two major dislikes:
- The lack of separation between stories (versus current "box" and space between each story which makes it easy to read through titles fast)

I agree, but that could easily be fixed by putting background on the headline.


- The left alignment (versus current center). At least invert columns - menu/tools on left so it would make the beginning of main story around center.

I am a fan of centering the output within X% of the screen area, but that's me...

Edited for typo!

Edited 2007-03-23 10:49 UTC

Reply Score: 1

Love It!
by TheRLG on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:19 UTC
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2007-03-22

I love the new design! The only thing I would change is the font of the "Submit News" link at the top right. The "stencil" style is indicative of a fact or information, not exactly of interactivity.

Unrelated: you guys need an internet radio show! Get some guests and discuss things! That would be greattt.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Love It!
by Constantine XVI on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 01:21 UTC in reply to "Love It!"
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2006-11-02

The word you're looking for is "podcast", and I think they tried that a while back. It went for about 2 episdoes

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Love It!
by TheRLG on Sat 24th Mar 2007 22:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Love It!"
TheRLG Member since:
2007-03-22

An "Internet radio show" doesn't have to be a "podcast."

Reply Score: 1

Click through moderation
by DittoBox on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:19 UTC
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2005-07-08

Finally, no more click-through moderation. Instant AJAXy moderation is mucho bettero.

A few things:

-Get rid of the huge submit news button in the corner.
-Make the text under the logo "exploring the future" darker so it can be read on the background
-Make a fixed width version of the site, 800-900 pixel ought to be enough.

Great job overall I think.

Reply Score: 4

RE: Click through moderation
by ma_d on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:24 UTC in reply to "Click through moderation"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

Finally, no more click-through moderation. Instant AJAXy moderation is mucho bettero.

This is true, definitely much better.


-Get rid of the huge submit news button in the corner.

Don't get rid of that button, it's a good idea.


-Make the text under the logo "exploring the future" darker so it can be read on the background

This doesn't matter, no one reads it anyway; but it is really hard to read on my CRT, easy on my LCD.

-Make a fixed width version of the site, 800-900 pixel ought to be enough.

Liquid is the way the web was meant to be, make more of it liquid if you can.

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: Click through moderation
by miscz on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Click through moderation"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

Liquid is the way the web was meant to be, make more of it liquid if you can.

Liquid is the way to go but I guess you didn't experience reading text spanning across 24" display ;) Even on my 19" widescreen LCD (1440 pixels wide) it's a bit hard.

Reply Score: 2

Open a story...
by gothic on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:23 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

I think when I click to open a story it should be the comments one. Why click two times.

At the main page I can see the news text..

Reply Score: 1

Looking good
by moleskine on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:25 UTC
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2005-11-05

Thank you very much for all your hard work.

Just to my eye, but a small amount of line space between the headline (and the linked line) and then the summary text might help. And perhaps it might look neater if the summary text didn't run round the icon but stayed to the right of it?

Everything works out nicely on my widescreen here, anyway, better than do many sites which are set up for 4:3 but struggle to manage 16:9.

Reply Score: 2

Ads
by ma_d on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:25 UTC
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Member since:
2005-06-29

Why don't you put the ads over to the right? I can't imagine Google is happy about the adds on the bottom, and having them on the right would even out the weight of the page a bit.

Reply Score: 2

SUBMIT NEWS! - big no no
by abdavidson on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:29 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

The submit news button looks painfully out of place with the rest of the site.

I'd go to putting it as "just another link" on the site, if you want it to be prominent then in the top menu but not as a huge great image there.

If it was there to try and balance out the top of the page, you need another plan for that because it looks tacky.

Reply Score: 2

I like it
by yanik on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:30 UTC
yanik
Member since:
2005-07-13

I like it, but I'd like to see a clearer separation between stories. Like slashdot, having the backgrounds of titles another color or something.

Reply Score: 2

Great Job, Adam
by jtrapp on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:45 UTC
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2005-07-06

Two thumbs up. Much appreciate your effort.

Reply Score: 2

Artwork
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:50 UTC
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Member since:
2005-06-29

About the submit news button: it's not final. All artwork (i.e. the logo as well as the submit news button and even the colour scheme) is not finalised yet.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Artwork
by abdavidson on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:08 UTC in reply to "Artwork"
abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

Yep, I'd seriously reconsider having it as it's own separate entity though (the submit button). Maybe make it a link in the top menu bar but to the right? It just... having it separate even with a different *graphic* will be a bit out of keeping with the rest of the site.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Artwork
by mikesum32 on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:18 UTC in reply to "Artwork"
mikesum32 Member since:
2005-10-22

Good, becasue that logo is ugly as sin, as they say.

Reply Score: 1

Unbearable!
by kramii on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:59 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-22

I am really sorry, I love the new features, but I *hate* the new look.

I have been reading OS News daily for as long as I can remember. It is the only web site I visit daily. If the new look comes in, I'll stop coming here. It makes my eyes hurt!

The main problem, for me, is that the main body of the page is left of centre, with the navigation on the right. This is feels very awkward indeed.

Secondly, I really miss the boxes around things: they made things easier for me to pick out of the page.

Thirdly, I really dislike the stark background. I have problems with dark text on a bright background, and the OS News Beta is one of the worst examples I have seen.

Finally, I thought the old site looked great.

Please, please, please rethink the new look and feel. I really don't want to give up my OSNews addiction!

Reply Score: 5

RE: Unbearable!
by nighty5 on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 07:26 UTC in reply to "Unbearable!"
nighty5 Member since:
2005-12-18

I completely and whole heartedly agree with every comment you've made.

My initial feel was, omg, where are the nicely laid out boxes? why can't the text be the middle so my eyes don't wonder? What is with the annoying colour scheme?

I am always open to change, but I think the current 3 release has got the motif nailed. Please at least consider a skin or theme engine so we can choose the current design!

Reply Score: 2

Things I don't need.
by dmantione on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:59 UTC
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2005-07-06

* Avatars. It just becomes competition who has the biggest Avatator.
* Ajax. It gives too much trouble.
* Messaging. I have e-mail for that.

No, seriously, I like OSNews as it is. It looks like you guys are transforming into some kind of forum. For reading operating system related news, the current site does the job perfectly, I have absolutely no complaints. I can even read it in Links. I prefer sites that do one thing, and do that good.

Technology is nice, but it must serve a purpose.

Edited 2007-03-22 16:01

Reply Score: 5

RE: Things I don't need.
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:01 UTC in reply to "Things I don't need."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

* Avatars. It just becomes competition who has the biggest Avatator.


Go to Preferences. Change Throttle Bandwidth to "Lite Mode" which removes avatars. Done.

Reply Score: 1

design
by edmnc on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 15:59 UTC
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Member since:
2006-02-21

The features seem real nice. The design less so. My comments about it (sorry if I'm repeating other posts here, didn't read them all)

- Others mention that the text is too much on the left side - I think its OK, we are just too much used to the current layout

- The main menu is unattractive though. How about rounding the corners, making the gray lighter?

- The big "Submit news" is silly, but i guess its temporary

- I would move the recommend/email/print buttons to the page where the full article is and nove comment count next to the title

- The green gradient background needs to go. But that might be my personal taste

- On the right side all the links in black bold letters - its really not obvious that they are links

edit: umm the ultra-green under the title of my post hurts my eyes a bit ;)

Edited 2007-03-22 16:02 UTC

Reply Score: 1

Not bad ... but
by lugnut on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:02 UTC
lugnut
Member since:
2006-11-13

Hate the new logo. Go with the old logo. And tone down the squashed catapillar gut green. Other than that, looks pretty good.

Are you changing the site just for the sake of change? I think the current site is one of the best on the web.

Reply Score: 1

Nice, but ...
by pandronic on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:04 UTC
pandronic
Member since:
2006-05-18

It's great to see OSNews updated. It looks way better, and the has some useful features compared to v3.

There are a few things that I think could be improved:
- the HUGE "Submit News!" image - it's way out of place
- the right column:
- on resolutions > 1024x768 it's too big. There is too much white space around it (I suggest making it fixed)
- on 800x600 it goes at the end of the page (???) - Firefox 2.0, WinXP
- there is no clear separation between the sections (search, welcome, your account etc). I've searched for quite a while the link to my profile. The right column is a big mess
- I don't like that I get taken to a new page when I post a comment/reply. I'd like to see what has been said before me. The Add Bold and Add Italic buttons are too ugly and plain

Overall, v3 looks more simple, readable, inviting, but v4 is cuter, has some much needed features and has more potential.

Reply Score: 2

Looks like every other "digg" clone
by kozo on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:23 UTC
kozo
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2006-02-02

I still prefer the old site, albeit just a minor adjustment say to the width of the boxes,make them a little more wide. I prefer the a new color scheme, not the green type implemented in the new version. Can we put different themes on it? If it is then you have my vote.

Reply Score: 2

Overall I like it
by claydoh on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:26 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

I actually like the layout myself. On my aging 17" monitor at 1024x768 res, for the most part it looks good, though the banner ads on the main page bleed over into the search box area until they disappear. (using firefox oe Konqueror)

Also unless I maximize my window, the right column moves all the way down to the bottom below the articles, but as I usually use maximized windows in my browsers, I didn't notice at first.

logo, I do like the original better, but the new one is still nice

avatars and messaging I could do without, but if the graphics are kept small in size (both dimensionally and in filesize) I could live with them.

Reply Score: 1

Recommendations
by Liquidator on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:26 UTC
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Member since:
2007-03-04

You should use CSS slicing so that you use only one large .png image file with all your graphics and map them. It'll load a LOT faster.

Also, gather all your .js files into one single big and optimized .js file with no carriage retuen and comments.

You can dramatically optimize your CSS files. There are many ways you can do it, also, remove spaces and carriage returns as much as you can. There's an article on how to achieve better CSS optimization: http://www.osresources.com/9_3_en.html

The new logo is not very esthetic. I prefer the current one. Good luck.

Reply Score: 2

The ad banners
by jptros on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:33 UTC
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2005-08-26

I like the new site, especially the comments page. The ad banners that are fairly wide cover up the search and other things on the right side though if you are not viewing with a wide window. Other than that one quirk I think the site is pretty nice.

Reply Score: 1

One thing I would suggest.
by Caspian on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:38 UTC
Caspian
Member since:
2006-01-01

*edit* I'm an idiot!

Yes, for your first error, to fix it would be a simple style="text-align:right;"

Edited 2007-03-22 16:40

Reply Score: 1

It Feels Lighter
by humbertoarocha on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:42 UTC
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Member since:
2006-11-17

Yeah! I like your new design, at first glance, it's less heavier than before, it's cleaner, shinning, I have not digged yet inside it but i am, by now, comfortable with it.

Expect Demo not to be like ms longhorn,

Keep it real, you're great!!

Reply Score: 1

Impressed and not
by dagw on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:44 UTC
dagw
Member since:
2005-07-06

On the plus side it seems you've added a bunch of nice technical improvements, and some nice AJAXy bits and pieces. I also like that my posts are highlighted for example.

On the minus side I don't like the new layout and color scheme at all. And another thing I noticed is that when I click to reply to a post I can't read the post I'm replying to while composing my reply. Very annoying.

So if you want my opinion, keep the look of the site essentially like it is and just add the technical improvements.

Reply Score: 1

Left Sided Orientation
by dhardison on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 16:46 UTC
dhardison
Member since:
2005-07-06

I'll have to post my vote against the left-sided orientation of the site, as well.
Overall, the new look makes the site feel more "modern", but I prefer the old site's 'straight-down-the-middle' layout.

Reply Score: 4

Beta testing and RSS
by eelco on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:11 UTC
eelco
Member since:
2005-07-06

If you read OSNews using a RSS reader, the links to the articles still point to the current site, not to the beta. So it is not possible to try the beta site that way. I'd like to suggest that you make the links to articles in http://www4.osnews.com/files/recent.xml point to the beta site.

Reply Score: 2

All that workâ¦
by Beta on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:12 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

and you're still sending the old version out to devices! ;) (Opera Mini, p910i)

I do like the new site, even with the "needed" JavaScript and the awkward inline images. So can our mobile browsers get the new love too ?

Reply Score: 2

RE: All that workâ¦
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:43 UTC in reply to "All that workâ¦"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Is there something missing from the current mobile design? With the desktop version, we knew we were missing lots of features. But I don't see the ability to add those features to devices that don't support Javasacript, don't support CSS well, and don't support cookies.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: All that workâ¦
by Beta on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:19 UTC in reply to "RE: All that workâ¦"
Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

Is there something missing from the current mobile design?

The new logo? Not being able to score posts?

The added benefit of going with CSS and JS means you only need one page and my mobile would consume the exact same code. It's happy to, (Opera pre-filter it anyhow), but its good for most sites I visit.

Also, on a side note, the title shows your system ate my ellipsis, ""

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: All that workâ¦
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: All that workâ¦"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Mopbile support is incomplete when you do stylesheets with media:handheld.

Our code is VERY VERY intentionally written cHTML that Eugenia has developed after a long time of studying it.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: All that workâ¦
by binarycrusader on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:32 UTC in reply to "RE: All that workâ¦"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

Opera Mini supports cookies ;)

I know because gmail uses them.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: All that workâ¦
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:35 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: All that workâ¦"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

But the mobile version is for all browsers, including many older phones, not just Opera mini... so you see the problem?

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: All that workâ¦
by binarycrusader on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: All that workâ¦"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, I know, I was just saying... ;)

Of course, you, I and many others know it's laughable to call what phone vendors ship "browsers." More like glorified text readers!

Then again, I'm of the belief that the world would be a better mobile "browsing" place if people would just use opera mini instead of netfront (ugh!), etc.

Reply Score: 2

heh
by czubin on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:28 UTC
czubin
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2005-12-31

I like the new comment system, No longer do I have to hold the ctrl/apple key(linux/mac) to mod someone up without reloading the new page ;)

Reply Score: 2

No...
by Sodapop on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 17:51 UTC
Sodapop
Member since:
2005-07-06

No disrespect but...that looks clunky. This version we are currently on is much "cleaner". However, seems to be working with my Firefox 2.0.0.3.

Reply Score: 1

adue = ado
by wahgnube on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:12 UTC
wahgnube
Member since:
2006-01-28

It's said "without further adue," but it's not written that way.

Reply Score: 2

Safari??
by Buck on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:22 UTC
Buck
Member since:
2005-06-29

It's supposed to be beta, right? It looks really weird on safari. The main content is not centered (alright, this may be a feature), but the right "column" with info runs AFTER the main one stops, on the right. Now this is weird! Also there's a stranded "Older Stories" at the bottom which is alone and looks all out of place...
Something's not right.
Will there be an OSNews Classic though?

Reply Score: 2

RE: Safari??
by pandronic on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:40 UTC in reply to "Safari??"
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

Will there be an OSNews Classic though?


V4 features with a V3 skin, would be soooo sweet.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Safari??
by CharAznable on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 15:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Safari??"
CharAznable Member since:
2005-07-06

Listen to this man, for he speaketh words of wisdom

Reply Score: 1

Why there are no boxes
by CrazyDude0 on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:32 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-10

Why is there no box around the left side page like in earlier design. Current design doesn't look that clean.

I would prefer a box (or boundary) to separate sections.

Reply Score: 1

And also
by Buck on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:32 UTC
Buck
Member since:
2005-06-29

There's nothing wrong with current design. And you know, if it's not broken, don't fix it.
New features are a different story but they don't really require a redesign...

Reply Score: 3

Too bloated
by ormandj on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:34 UTC
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Member since:
2005-10-09

I don't like the new design. It's somewhat "painful" to read, as in - it actually hurts my eyes. Kinda like trying to look at a bunch of black/white stripes in any kind of pattern. I think the gradient in (some of) the background(s) contributes to this. I noticed it's not in the main site/comment view, but those hurt too. Must be the color combination.

Also, the information seems disjointed. Comments have a far-to-large header. Same for stories. Too much "bloat", in other words.

I don't mean offense, but it seems like a poorly done version of digg. I'm not a huge fan of digg, but their interface is at least aesthetically pleasing. This "new" design, is not. At least, not to me.

I do agree the site needed some work done, but hopping on the "digg"-like site bandwagon was not the way to go about it. I realize the sites are sim. and thus will share sim. interfaces, but this is just silly.

Something more akin to how old-slashdot "modernized" to new-slashdot would have been MUCH better. The old interface really wasn't that bad. It could have used some aesthetic changes and usability changes, but this v4 interface is unusable to me.

If it goes live in this current form with no way for me to continue using v3, I will be leaving this site. I simply can't read the news for more than 10 seconds without my eyes hurting.

Edited 2007-03-22 18:35 UTC

Reply Score: 5

RE: Too bloated
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:42 UTC in reply to "Too bloated"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Oh please. There's nothing about this version of the site that is digg-like. Adding Ajax does not mean a site is "ripping off digg."

I know people don't like change, but being a little constructive before you announce your intention to leave us is generally a little more effective than making some elequent speech about how it's your way or the highway.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Too bloated
by ormandj on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Too bloated"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

Excuse me, but I made my post quite clearly as MY opinion. Your design/work/efforts are of your own undertaking, and I'm sure you didn't set out to rip off digg or any such thing.

You're also making assumptions as to my logic/impressions. I never said "because you added AJAX functionality, you are ripping off digg" - I simply stated my opinion about how things looked.

Also, you assume I don't like change - I do. I liked slashdot's modernization. I'm in the process of revamping my own site, as well.

I was constructive, I stated the reason I would leave is that the site design physically *hurt* me/my eyes. I made that quite clear. I even gave a few reasons why I thought that might be true. Nowhere I my post was I criticizing the design in an non-constructive fashion.

However, your response to my post is a bit insulting. You're welcome to attempt to justify/defend your new design as much as you like - of course - but my opinion still stands as MY opinion. You asked for feedback, and you received it. Maybe you should not have made a public post asking for commentary if you did not want both positive and negative replies. I would understand your defensiveness if I directly attacked you/whoever did the redesign, or if I was hyper-critical without any validity to my statements.

That said, pointing out the site hurts my eyes, pointing out it *looks* like *another* digg clone (to me), and pointing out I felt the headers in the comments were far too large - is not my idea of being hyper-critical or non-constructive. I am not implying that you set out to copy digg, or any such stupid thing. Don't make silly assumptions when reading a critique.

Now, if you would like to reply to my post in a constructive fashion, feel free - I will be HAPPY to address your issues. However, I am not going to defend my opinions, yet again, to you. They are my opinions - not yours.

As to your last comment "your way or the highway", maybe you should read my posts a little more carefully. The new site HURTS my eyes. Physically hurts them. I'm not going to come read a site that HURTS me physically. I'm not going to apologize for that, either. Don't make statements about my personality, as if I am some kind of whiny little kid who will leave because I didn't get my way.

If I were that kind of person, I would have left long ago when site admins/editors/etc started making rude comments directed at users. No, instead - I stayed - and I dealt with issues that cropped up as they came. If you look at my comment history (and score history) I think you will see I am not the kind of person you are apparently attempting to make me out to be.

Oh, and as a previous commenter mentioned, I think the main page needs some kind of separation between stories. Right now they blend together too much.

Edited 2007-03-22 18:58

Reply Score: 5

RE[3]: Too bloated
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Too bloated"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

What exactly "hurts your eyes?" The green gradient is only a few hundred pixels long, then it's just plain white all the way to the bottom. Does the white hurt your eyes? Does black text do it? Is it the background images for the comment headers?

Be specific, don't use condescending language, don't use vague terms like "I like Slashdot's modernization but this looks like digg!" Give some real feedback, and I will almost definitely end up providing you what you need. Continue to hurl the same threats and I will be the first to wave goodbye.

Honestly, I have no time for someone who doesn't offer something helpful. This is a community. Those who contribute are rewarded. Jerks are treated as such.

Tell me what I can do to help you, don't just come to our forums to bitch and threaten to leave. I'll do what I can and there will be no hard feelings.

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: Too bloated
by ormandj on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Too bloated"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

I was clear in my prior posts concerning this.

As to the rest of your comment, you lost my respect, and I am not going to dignify your post with a response.

Good luck.

Reply Score: 3

RE[5]: Too bloated
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:36 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Too bloated"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Kinda like trying to look at a bunch of black/white stripes in any kind of pattern. I think the gradient in (some of) the background(s) contributes to this. I noticed it's not in the main site/comment view, but those hurt too. Must be the color combination.


I just want to understand -- that's clear? I don't know what the problem is - using black and white? I don't see stripes anywhere. As I said, the gradient is only behind the header, the rest of the page is white. Is black and white the problem? I guess I'll never know.

I offered to help you above. You're opting to turn it down. I just want you to realize that.

Reply Score: 1

RE[6]: Too bloated
by ormandj on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:39 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Too bloated"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

You seem to just want to insult me and make threats (something you accuse me of.) Calling me names then "offering" your help isn't exactly a very good way of handling things, wouldn't you think?

I cannot tell you what specifically is causing the problem, as I cannot edit your site to add/remove/change things to determine what "fixes" the problem. I described the problem as best I can, and offered a possible cause. This is as clear as it can be possibly made.

Reply Score: 4

RE[7]: Too bloated
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 20:17 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Too bloated"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

I cannot tell you what specifically is causing the problem, as I cannot edit your site to add/remove/change things to determine what "fixes" the problem. I described the problem as best I can, and offered a possible cause. This is as clear as it can be possibly made.


Your making it hard for me to help you, because you're suggesting that I have an agenda to attack you, but you're not really helping. I'm really eager to hear feedback and make changes - that's the purpose in this exercise - but can you understand how frustrating is it to hear people say "I don't know why, but I hate it"? Where does that leave me? Just ditch it and start over?

I think it's completely fair for me to ask for specifics, and if you can't provide them, you'll have to live with best-guess. Am I wrong here?

Reply Score: 1

RE[6]: Too bloated
by h-milch-mann on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 19:19 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Too bloated"
h-milch-mann Member since:
2005-10-27

I too have this problem with the new site in firefox and epiphany. I suppose this is caused by using an inverted gtk theme (dark background/light foreground).
Here is a screenshot: http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=osnews4nd3.png

Reply Score: 2

RE[4]: Too bloated
by binarycrusader on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:37 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Too bloated"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

What exactly "hurts your eyes?" The green gradient is only a few hundred pixels long, then it's just plain white all the way to the bottom. Does the white hurt your eyes? Does black text do it? Is it the background images for the comment headers?


Unlike other individuals, I am happy to give you specifics:

* The bright white everywhere is overwhelming. Use an off-white if possible.

* I really think it was far easier to discern news items from each other in the old layout where you had "boxes" around the news items.

* I really miss the left sidebar.

* I really miss the old logo.

Other than that, I like the new version.

Reply Score: 4

RE: Too bloated
by DonQ on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:52 UTC in reply to "Too bloated"
DonQ Member since:
2005-06-29

If it goes live in this current form with no way for me to continue using v3, I will be leaving this site.

I'm sorry to say, but I have to agree.

Reply Score: 2

mixed opinion
by STTS on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:53 UTC
STTS
Member since:
2005-07-06

New look is interesting, but I feel like something lost. Can not tell what is it exactly. May be nice flat boxes, may be careful text color or weight selection. Old osnews was balanced, original, do not stress eyes but same time have good contrast in main text areas.

And i just hate avatars and PM. Avatars are for kids, but now computers are most complex devices in all history, but people who like to contest "I find c0o1 flashing vibrant picture (distracting, impact, schocking), you loose" are even more turned from real information ( that in plane text) to that useless feature.

PM is different story. It force people not to discuss in public but ask personally. Then it will be not a forum but free mail -like service. Use mail then.

Edited 2007-03-22 18:57 UTC

Reply Score: 4

binarycrusader
Member since:
2005-07-06

There are four things that immediately stood out to me about the new version that I do not like (a lot!):

* The logo (the old one was much better IMO)

* The floating news articles on the main page (I really liked the border and divider area around news articles the old version had, at the very least there needs to be a solid box around article titles)

* The right-handed navigation (I really liked the old OSNews left sidebar, I'm left-handed ;) )

* The colors are too bright! Having so much white everywhere makes it hard to read the text. I like the old site's usage of a solid neutral color for the main background, and the use of white only for readable areas where the news articles were.

Reply Score: 2

RFE
by SEJeff on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 18:59 UTC
SEJeff
Member since:
2005-11-05

Awesome work!

There are a few enhancements I would like to see:
- hyperlinks (http/https ONLY) in the profile description.
- bold and italics in the profile description.
- The ability to set default "Headlines" where it defaults to staff blog. I prefer to always see gnomefiles newly added software and then check the staff blog only occasionally.
- The ability to "Ignore" selected user and never see comments from them

Looks good so far

Edited 2007-03-22 19:00

Reply Score: 2

RE: RFE
by Sodapop on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 20:34 UTC in reply to "RFE"
Sodapop Member since:
2005-07-06

Kinda unfair unless something is added to inform the person being ignored, that he/she is being ignored by so and so.

That would balance it out.

Reply Score: 1

RE: RFE
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 23:01 UTC in reply to "RFE"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

I would like to see:
- hyperlinks (http/https ONLY) in the profile description.


No technical reason why not. I guess we'll have to add rel="nofollow" tho.

bold and italics in the profile description.


Ok. [EDIT]: Actually, it already does support UBB bold, italic, and underline. I have NOT backported this to v3 though.

The ability to set default "Headlines" where it defaults to staff blog. I prefer to always see gnomefiles newly added software and then check the staff blog only occasionally.


We can do this after we go live and have a spare field in the db.

The ability to "Ignore" selected user and never see comments from them


Discussed and voted down. Sorry.

Edited 2007-03-22 23:03 UTC

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: RFE
by SEJeff on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 01:45 UTC in reply to "RE: RFE"
SEJeff Member since:
2005-11-05

May I ask why the ability to ignore users won't be implemented?

There are users such as the former NotParker who do nothing but troll. It would be really nice to just block them and perhaps they see some little icon knowing that I block their comments from being displayed.

This is the only feature that really sucks of OSNews and this is my favorite tech site. It kills me.

Thanks for the reply.

Reply Score: 4

RE[3]: RFE
by czubin on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 02:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: RFE"
czubin Member since:
2005-12-31

I don't think blocking someone has a good effect. A new comer might also see his/her rant's. perhaps we should add a block quota or something, so their - I shall call it spam - might be marked(ex:blue backround gradient) for all to see AND for those who blocked him/her the post could be folded?

And the semi-block could be lifted it their comment score goes above 2, so you might still see it if it's worth something(to others) to you.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: RFE
by Adam S on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 20:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: RFE"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

May I ask why the ability to ignore users won't be implemented?
[...]
This is the only feature that really sucks of OSNews and this is my favorite tech site. It kills me.


I have just added this feature for OSNews subscribers. It's one of many that I will be adding for subscribers. Users you ignore have collaposed comments at all times, bordered in red, but you can drop them inline at will. Subscribers can currently do this from any user profile.

It does NOT notify users that they have been ignored.

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: RFE
by SEJeff on Sun 25th Mar 2007 21:10 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: RFE"
SEJeff Member since:
2005-11-05

I've been a longtime osnews reader and only registered since you started requiring it to comment.

You are about to gain +1 subscriber for implementing this feature.

Thanks Adam

Reply Score: 2

My few thoughts
by michuk on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:02 UTC
michuk
Member since:
2006-08-08

Pros:
- Mice comments layout/design
- AJAX used in a reasonable manner (e.g. when previewing the comment -- Nice!)
- PMs
- More RSS options
- The avatars (just uploaded one, it works! ;) )

Cons:
- The design is... well, in general... it sucks. It's my private opinion of course. The colors, the fonts, well it just does cannot compare with other recently redesigned webpages like Digg or Slashdot.
- Lots pf wasted space, e.g on the top, next to the logo
- The right column is a complete mistake, it looks like it nobody took the time to actually design it.
- The general usability -- it leaves an impression of randomless: the ads and the features look the same confusing readers (perhaps it's on purpose...)
- The "Submit news!" button -- first it doesn't look like a button, second - it looks awful. Serious redesign is needed here

OK, enough for now. When I have more ideas I will submit them as well. Hope they were helpful.

Reply Score: 3

Some bugs
by oferkv on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:02 UTC
oferkv
Member since:
2005-08-09

1. Your Account -> Comments displays an error:
Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/osnews/www4/includes/user-comments.inc.php on line 49
2. My color theme is gone
3. Main logo is cool
4. Logo in URL bar is missing

Reply Score: 1

Alternatives.
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:05 UTC
Adam S
Member since:
2005-04-01

http://www4.osnews.com/?spit=theme-v3

This is a VER VERY QUICK MOCKUP. If anyone dares say the theme sucks, I'm going to personally come to their house and punch them. It's just to prove that with no more than 15 minutes of work, we can change the theme.

http://www4.osnews.com/?spit=theme-leftalign

Same idea.

Everyone here is focused on text and colors, which is totally the WRONG thing to focus on, since they are trivial to change with style. The idea is the USABILITY.

Edited 2007-03-22 19:08 UTC

Reply Score: 1

RE: Alternatives.
by yoursecretninja on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:18 UTC in reply to "Alternatives."
yoursecretninja Member since:
2006-01-02

Text and colors are not the wrong thing to focus on in usability testing. They have a GREAT impact on usability. The web is used to share information, if you can not find and read information easily, than a website is not very usable. I understand that using CSS you can change the style rapidly, but if no one makes you aware that the style is no good, then it won't matter how fast it can be changed because it won't get changed.

Please do not take criticism of the new design personally. For the most part no one has been malicious and the criticism has been constructive.

By the way, the design you posted at http://www4.osnews.com/?spit=theme-v3 http://www4.osnews.com/?spit=theme-v3 looks a lot better!

I won't comment on the second mockup you posted since you will apparently come to my house and punch me; and I think that's a bit rude.

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: Alternatives.
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:24 UTC in reply to "RE: Alternatives."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

I won't comment on the second mockup you posted since you will apparently come to my house and punch me; and I think that's a bit rude.

Oh jeez... learn to take a joke. The point is that this crowd is extremely critical and the idea of the beta was the test the features, not the look and feel. I *do* take it personally when people say "I hate it" instead of "I don't like the background." It's the difference between an intelligent conversation and not.

We have a fantastic group of readers, but, within that group, there's always a few stray jerks who leave mean comments that do not motivate me to accomodate them.

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: Alternatives.
by ormandj on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Alternatives."
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

From Adam:
Oh jeez... learn to take a joke. The point is that this crowd is extremely critical and the idea of the beta was the test the features, not the look and feel. I *do* take it personally when people say "I hate it" instead of "I don't like the background." It's the difference between an intelligent conversation and not.

From the original news story:
We're very excited to hear your thoughts on OSNews v4. We've had several users testing it and providing feedback, and thus far, the response is overwhelmingly positive. Please use the comments in this thread to discuss OSNews 4, not the Conversations section (although you can use that too, but let's keep the discussion in one place). Feel free to test Private Messaging with me, as my account will automatically reply to you.

Nowhere in there does it say "test only features", it says you want to hear our thoughts. You're hearing them. The crowd isn't "extremely critical", we are responding openly and honestly to you. Nobody (well, at least not myself and some of the other responses I've seen) is being personally insulting/attacking you. I'm sure there's a few, but your comment is a bit out of line.

We have a fantastic group of readers, but, within that group, there's always a few stray jerks who leave mean comments that do not motivate me to accomodate them.

I believe a few posts up you chastised me for telling you that I would have to leave the site if it was kept in current v4 form due to it hurting my eyes. Now it sounds like you are the one pulling the "my way or highway" act. You cannot have it both ways. ;)

That said, I like you for the most part, and none of my posts have been intended to personally attack you/your work. It seems you have added a lot of great new features and so forth. I did not comment on them because I felt they were good as-is. If your interpretation of my posts was based on the fact I did not stroke your ego, then here you go: I found the new features to be a very nice addition and well thought-out, for the most part.

Now, if you would still like constructive feedback, I will be happy to continue to dispense it. ;)

Edited 2007-03-22 19:31

Reply Score: 3

RE[4]: Alternatives.
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:38 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Alternatives."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

No need for ego stroke. Just clarity and civility.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Alternatives.
by ormandj on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:23 UTC in reply to "Alternatives."
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

That theme sucks! Come punch me, big guy.

In all seriousness, it's nice that you made it simple to theme the colors/text. I'm hoping layout is just as easily modified. Moving the "junk" to the left is better, but still not good. It's too cluttered, and takes up too much space vs. the actual content.

The ads look out of place, they still fit with the v3 version of the site. I think it's the header blocks being there, when the rest of v4 doesn't have them (except in comments.) I think if you added some kind of header blocks back into the main news page it would help a lot, by breaking up the stories.

Also, your first mock-up - the colors don't work well together. Try another couple mock-ups with different color schemes until you find something easy on the eyes. Don't dismiss the importance of font/colors, that's often the *hardest* thing to get right in site design.

The last mock-up is an improvement over that slime greenish gradient BG, though, absolutely. ;) Keep trying, you're getting closer to something more usable.

Edited 2007-03-22 19:24

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: Alternatives.
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Alternatives."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Keep trying, you're getting closer to something more usable.

I'm open to all friendly suggestion. I will definitely end up fleshing out alternative themes.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Alternatives.
by pandronic on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:34 UTC in reply to "Alternatives."
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

The colors are not the problem. Probably the Photoshop mockup looked great, but something was lost along the way in terms of usability.

There are a few things that you should take into account:
- separate the stories somehow in a more visible way
- do something about the right column - make the different sections stick out
- get rid of the SUBMIT STORY button - or make it look good somehow
- separate the comments somehow - for example, you could make their background of a slightly different color, or put a border around them, or both
- add a link to your profile in the top menu bar - OSNews is a site that is built around a community. The layout doesn't show that. For example - you could use the space wasted by the submit news button to do a very nice box with options about your profile.

If I were you, I'd take the V3 layout and bring it to 2007 (in terms of aesthetics). People are used to it, and like it. Just refresh your identity, don't change it completely.

Edited 2007-03-22 19:35

Reply Score: 2

RE: Alternatives.
by fretinator on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:43 UTC in reply to "Alternatives."
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

My address is:
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, DC, USA

Yours Truly,
GW

Reply Score: 5

RE: Alternatives.
by Sodapop on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 20:39 UTC in reply to "Alternatives."
Sodapop Member since:
2005-07-06

Hey, #2 with the green color of #1 is looking much, MUCH better to me.

And like someone else said, maybe a little more separation between the stories.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Alternatives.
by binarycrusader on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:35 UTC in reply to "Alternatives."
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

http://www4.osnews.com/?spit=theme-v3

This is a VER VERY QUICK MOCKUP. If anyone dares say the theme sucks, I'm going to personally come to their house and punch them. It's just to prove that with no more than 15 minutes of work, we can change the theme.

http://www4.osnews.com/?spit=theme-leftalign


Wow. That's *amazingly* more readable to my eyes. The bright white everywhere kinda hurt to read. Offer that layout with a left sidebar and I can live with the new version. I still miss the old boxes around the news items the old version had ;)

Reply Score: 2

RE: Alternatives.
by CharAznable on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 15:45 UTC in reply to "Alternatives."
CharAznable Member since:
2005-07-06

I like that a lot better, thank you. Boxes make a huge difference.

Reply Score: 1

FWIW
by fretinator on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:06 UTC
fretinator
Member since:
2005-07-06

I find the site to be very aesthetically pleasing. It reminds me of a newspaper. The previous site certainly was better on limited hardware and small devices, but I do find the new site easy to navigate and pleasing to the eye.

However, I have been known to wear polyester pants, striped shirts and sombreros!

Reply Score: 2

My Messages
by griffinme on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:17 UTC
griffinme
Member since:
2005-11-09

My Messages works but the navigation above it is inconsistent. It would be nice if the tabs just stayed there.

Reply Score: 1

FWIW
by fretinator on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:28 UTC
fretinator
Member since:
2005-07-06

I find the general look of the sight to be pleasing to the eye. It reminds of a colorful newspaper. I like the icons, and I find it easy to visually separate content from "decoration".

However, I have been known to wear polyester pants with a striped shirt and a sombrero, so my opinion may be suspect.

P.s., I had to go to the V3 site to post this. Posting anything on the V4 site has become near impossible to me, it seems to never make it to the page to do the actual post. Things may be a bit overloaded.

[EDIT: I now see that my previous attempt to post did make it, but I was never taken to the page after posting, my browser just kept spinning. Sorry!]

Edited 2007-03-22 19:31

Reply Score: 2

Don't like
by Criceto on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 19:48 UTC
Criceto
Member since:
2006-04-20

Don't like the home page.
Nicer gradient green, and that's all.

Better the old menu on the left.
Better the old boxed abstracts.
Don't like the hanging icon, much better on the title as in the old one.
Too much unused space on the right.
No clear separation betweeb articles.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Don't like
by Tyr. on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 01:49 UTC in reply to "Don't like"
Tyr. Member since:
2005-07-06

Mostly agree with all of the above, plus :
comment ratings now jump all over the place instead of being on the same place horizontally. This makes it more difficult to scan the comment scores.

Love all the new features though !

Edit: and higher scores are no longer highlighted. Did I mention I LOVE the new features ? :-)

Edited 2007-03-23 01:54 UTC

Reply Score: 3

Error in comment count
by Ikshaar on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 20:15 UTC
Ikshaar
Member since:
2005-07-14

Edited... error already mentioned.

Edited 2007-03-22 20:18 UTC

Reply Score: 1

Comment by rectangular
by rectangular on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 20:59 UTC
rectangular
Member since:
2006-12-31

it would look a lot better without the ads ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE: Comment by rectangular
by griffinme on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:29 UTC in reply to "Comment by rectangular"
griffinme Member since:
2005-11-09

it would look a lot better without the ads ;)



Adblock and Firefox
"Ads? There are ads on the page? I didn't know they had ads on the page."


.

Edited 2007-03-22 22:31 UTC

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Comment by rectangular
by Constantine XVI on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 01:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by rectangular"
Constantine XVI Member since:
2006-11-02

If you're running Konqueror (at least the default Kubuntu install), you wouldn't even notice that there was an ad blocker in the first place. After a few weeks on pure KDE, I went to a Windows box, pulled up Opera, and ads just popped up everywhere where I had completely forgotten they existed in the first place

Note to Firefox dev team: built-in ad blocker

Reply Score: 1

Side panel misplaced
by ishmal on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 21:18 UTC
ishmal
Member since:
2005-11-11

I am using a Firefox nightly, and the side panel is actually appended to the bottom of the page. Is anyone else seeing this?

Reply Score: 1

ads
by Morin on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 21:19 UTC
Morin
Member since:
2005-12-31

I think the "inline" ads in the comments should be a bit separated (those that appear every 5 comments). They look like part of the comment above them. A horizontal line or similar would do the job.

Reply Score: 3

bug
by Seth Quarrier on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 21:20 UTC
Seth Quarrier
Member since:
2005-11-13

The background is not actually white as it should be, rather it is the default background color for the browser. If that color is not white the gradient ends very abruptly. The site would look better with a defined background color.

Thanks

ps I prefer the old box-color theme as well but I appreciate the new features.

Reply Score: 1

RE: bug
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 21:53 UTC in reply to "bug"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

There is a background color: #fff, which is white.

Do you have your browser set to override that?

Reply Score: 1

PowerMacX
Member since:
2005-11-06

Some random questions, some about the new design, some that apply to both the old and the new:

- Why is Comment Title required at all?

- Why did the mod buttons switch places? I really prefer the [-][+] ordering of the old site (which is more usual anyway, look at your tv volume indicator on the screen, or the remote control buttons for instance)

- The color scheme definitely need a bit of work. Also, the site is overly bright right now.

- Some people complain about wasted space. I don't. Why? Having a 2000px wide line of text is NOT comfortable to read, particularly since most comments will end up with a large gray heading bar (with the title, date posted, etc), one long line of text, and a line of buttons below (link, mod, etc). There is a reason why magazines use columns. Of course, columns in a forum doesn't make sense, but limiting the maximum width is the best next thing. The ideal would be to define the width in terms of "em" no "px", so making the text larger would in fact make the text with grow too.

- The "Add Bold" and "Add Italic" buttons are mostly useless in their current form. They should allow selecting text and then clicking on them to add tags to the selected text, instead of asking me to type the text in a pop-up and then adding it at the end of my post. The code to implement this is not complicated, and it would make those buttons a lot more practical. I made this sample code that implements Bold and Italic, feel free to use it/modify it as needed:

http://rafb.net/p/YiwspU97.html

Works in Safari 2 and newer, Firefox (any version), Opera 9 (and probably older versions too), Internet Explorer 6 (probably all the way back to 5.0, and likely IE 7)

Reply Score: 4

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

- Why is Comment Title required at all?


Because it was built that way. I know that's silly, but all of the code uses it, and it makes for easier RSS, so we'll keep it.

Why did the mod buttons switch places?


I didn't even realize they did because I've been using the admin site for so long. I guess we could change this.

The color scheme definitely need a bit of work.


Clearly.

Some people complain about wasted space. I don't.


Right now, it's limited to a max of 1024.

I made this sample code that implements Bold and Italic, feel free to use it/modify it as needed


Awesome! I have yet to find a good js that does this. I've stolen it and implemented it already. Nice work, and thanks!

Reply Score: 1

New Style
by patrick_ on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:33 UTC
patrick_
Member since:
2006-03-02

Honestly, I don't like the new style one bit.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it... the style is good as-is IMO.

Reply Score: 2

I Like it
by jamesrdorn on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:38 UTC
jamesrdorn
Member since:
2005-07-27

Sporting the myspace tom logo and all.

Reply Score: 2

RE: I Like it
by Adam S on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 22:48 UTC in reply to "I Like it"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

awesome. good choice!

Reply Score: 1

"comment(s)"
by squelart on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 23:02 UTC
squelart
Member since:
2007-03-22

Looks good!

First 'bad' thing I noticed: "30 comment(s)". Please make it clever enough to know when to put an 's'.

I know it's a small thing. Hopefully it's all that's needed to make osnews perfect. ;-)

Reply Score: 1

asdf
by Janizary on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 23:32 UTC
Janizary
Member since:
2006-03-12

Though you say not to fret, I'd like to go on record as stating atomic vomit is not the best colour to use for the site. Really, the current site looks fine, just lose the width contraints on the current site and you're good.

Reply Score: 1

Tab order for user,pass submit
by troc on Thu 22nd Mar 2007 23:59 UTC
troc
Member since:
2006-05-01

after typing the password it would be nice if you could tab straight to the login button, as opposed to register.

I like the 'all' nested view.

(the) change is good, thanks.

Reply Score: 1

stuff
by netdur on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 00:11 UTC
netdur
Member since:
2005-07-07

1) URLs is not user friendly... it should be remember-able, but number make it harder to remember

http://www4.osnews.com/story/$cataloge/Help_Us_Beta_Test_OSNews_Ver...

2) avatar on comments should be attached to title comment's title, and please remove unnecessary information aka I-don't-care-since-when-he-became-a-member

3) is this wannabe /. thing?

4) hover mouse over bookmark and + - score doesn't suggest its clickable

5) replace "(bold|italic) selected text) with bold B and italic I

hum! what else!?

Reply Score: 1

RE: stuff
by Adam S on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 00:15 UTC in reply to "stuff"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

is this wannabe /. thing?


What about this site is wannabe Slashdot? It's irritating that every feature is either a wannabe Slashdot or wannabe digg.

NONE of the major features rolled out today are present in /. or Digg. Conversations, Avatars, Private Messages, quoting replies - neither of those sites do that. So let's dispense with this line of nonsnse, shall we?

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: stuff
by Constantine XVI on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 01:38 UTC in reply to "RE: stuff"
Constantine XVI Member since:
2006-11-02

Apologies if I sound like an asshole, but Slashdot's discussion2 (out for a few months now) does indeed have reply quoting.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled thread.

Reply Score: 1

'read more about' feature
by Tahoo! on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 00:30 UTC
Tahoo!
Member since:
2005-06-29

perhaps this might be a useful idea (since V3 has it):

adding a 'read more about' feature at the end of let's say an editorial. maybe an editorial about amiga, then right below the story we'd find a list with suggestions for related readings (plus topics related to some other tags/keywords aside amiga within the editorial)

but hey, great job so far with V4. always nice to know that OSNews keeps evolving and growing. sign of prosper.

good luck!

Edited 2007-03-23 00:34

Reply Score: 1

Looks fanatastic but....
by Anon on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 00:43 UTC
Anon
Member since:
2006-01-02

It needs WAY more spacing on the news atcle listing between the

Title
Who wrote it
The news content
.. and the icons.

Maybe set the line-height: CSS attribute to space these out a little more, because everything seems to be clumped too close together.

Look at http://digg.com/ to see how they make it look better.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Looks fanatastic but....
by Anon on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 00:45 UTC in reply to "Looks fanatastic but...."
Anon Member since:
2006-01-02

Also, I think you need more next page buttons.

For this article it goes 1,2,3,4... 10

I think you probably need to show at least 8 buttons.

Maybe there needs to be a profile setting for users account to allow you to set if you want 'widescreen' (non PDA) mode?

Reply Score: 1

Some considerations.
by chicobaud on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 02:01 UTC
chicobaud
Member since:
2005-08-14

It doesn't work very well on konqueror 3.5.5 since the CSS of the right bar doesn't float right (this div should be rendered w/ top priority), it comes in the end of the page on my small size konqueror window. Also - on konqueror 3.5.5 - the ad banner overlaps the new logo some times. The logo can be improved if you clarify the OS part; the S is easy to get but not the O, thus seems like S News and not OS News, to a "stranger". Yes it looks more modern; but the old logo was more charismatic.

I personally prefer the old site design (one of the best, IMO), specially the all in a box for each of the several comments. A wider comment's area is also preferable (but not more than the old 610 pixels) instead of the 470 pixels of the new version (judging from my K-Ruler).

The old colors were better. The new yellowish background makes for more eye strain. (BTW the new background color doesn't appear in konqueror; only the repeated top gradient - my default konqueror background color is peach)

Can you leave the old version on the air ?
It looks less news-board site like.

(Posted fron konqueror 3.5.5 - KDE 3.5.5)

Edited 2007-03-23 02:04 UTC

Reply Score: 1

Usability
by unoengborg on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 03:09 UTC
unoengborg
Member since:
2005-07-06

It would be nice if the controls to the right could be moved to their original position on the left, or at least make it user configurable.

Having it on the right side, increases the amount of mousing around the users need to do, as most windowing systems have the horizontal scroll bar to the right and most of the things users interact with on the posts are closer to the right than to the left.

Another thing, the box around the controls on the old site made much easier to separate them from the contents.

Other than that I like the new features, and the colors but please keep the old layout.

Reply Score: 2

davids update
by YNOP on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 03:53 UTC
YNOP
Member since:
2005-07-02

feel bad that you had to append that update. i would have thought that both of those would have been assumed by osnews readers. osnews has always proved to be alt friendly, and guis .. well they come and they go .. and they always look bad in beta..

anyways ... i like v4 .. good stuff. even under net+ hehe

Reply Score: 1

Oh noooo CHANGE!
by Tuishimi on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 06:08 UTC
Tuishimi
Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm not good with change. I still use the BeOS. ;)

Looks cool so far.

Reply Score: 2

Not for me
by erostratus on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 06:24 UTC
erostratus
Member since:
2006-11-09

I guess we all just have personal preferences. I don't like the new site at all. It has zero personality and looks like a conservative IT site (whatever that means). I love the current site. I've never had any problems with it, and it loads very quickly for me (on OS X, Ubuntu, Windows, and Zeta). Please reconsider the new layout, or at least offer the old layout as an option.

Reply Score: 2

Will there be a way to disable awatars
by siimo on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 06:41 UTC
siimo
Member since:
2006-06-22

Just want to say i like how it now resizes to my screen instead of being fixed width.

Also just wondering if theres a way to turn user avatars off from comments? ;o)

Edited 2007-03-23 06:46

Reply Score: 1

5/10
by djames on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 07:20 UTC
djames
Member since:
2006-04-18

Personally I don't like it. The web site running now is clean cut whereas the new one....just doesn't feel right.

I think the bright green/yellow heading at the top is kind of distracting.

The dark green font is hard to read...again that's just me.

On the right side...I can't easily tell the difference between advertisements or links that I can use (To access comments, profile, etc)

The layout of the articles have a "diggish" look on the front page...I'm going to stop bitching now...

Reply Score: 2

Great
by IvoLimmen on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 07:25 UTC
IvoLimmen
Member since:
2005-07-06

I guess not everyone will love the new look but I for one do. As for the new AJAX-ed features: there very nice too. Keep yo the great work!

Reply Score: 1

My Reaction
by hhcv on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 08:07 UTC
hhcv
Member since:
2005-11-12

*throws up*

Reply Score: 1

News on the left?
by mkools on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 08:38 UTC
mkools
Member since:
2005-10-11

I don't like the news on the left of the screen, it should be on the right and all features should be on the left. Not that it really matters but it feels much better. Rest looks cool to me.

Reply Score: 1

Good, but...
by PascalP on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 09:29 UTC
PascalP
Member since:
2007-01-21

...we definitely need more boxes in there, like with the old layout. They make it easy to skim the site and separate content, title, author and so on from each other.

And do away with the white background. It hurts my eyes. The gradient is cool, though. Maybe a pastel green background may do it.
And, of course, the sidebar has to be on the left.

Reply Score: 1

I like things the way they are
by Zoidberg on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 09:31 UTC
Zoidberg
Member since:
2006-02-11

I love the current look of OSNews. Everything is clean, centered, and professional looking. I realize that you have all worked hard on the new site but to me it looks awful. Everything runs from one edge of the screen to the other, solid white background, huge logos, etc. It looks more like a web site from the mid 90's in my opinion. I also hate text ads, you just end up with a page full of text and it's hard to pick out the content from the ads. Finally, the current design has personality. I can look at it from a mile away and know that it's OSNews. The new design just looks so generic. I hope you'll reconsider, or give everyone the option to continue using the old layout.

Reply Score: 3

Subscribers
by tonywob on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 09:55 UTC
tonywob
Member since:
2005-07-06

It looks nice, but I prefer the original site, it was simple and straight to the point. There just seems to be too much on the page, that it is a little overwhelming, but then again it is probably because I am so used to the old site.

How will the site look for subscribers?, i.e. Will you still remove all the slow loading adverts.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Subscribers
by Adam S on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 13:04 UTC in reply to "Subscribers"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Yes, there are no ads at all in the subscriber version.

Reply Score: 1

What can I say...
by Budd on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 11:14 UTC
Budd
Member since:
2005-07-08

I really like it

Reply Score: 1

What can I say...
by Andrej on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 12:04 UTC
Andrej
Member since:
2006-11-03

It's clean and modern design, but I'm probably quite conservative so I really don't like it.
Especially the avatars in discussion and the abandoning nice green and silver colours of old design are the worst decisions.
I only hope it will be possible to choose color palette, switch off avatars OR stay using old design.

Reply Score: 1

RE: What can I say...
by Adam S on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 13:03 UTC in reply to "What can I say..."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

You can already switch off avatars in your preferences.

Reply Score: 1

my 2p
by B12 Simon on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 12:06 UTC
B12 Simon
Member since:
2006-11-08

I miss the "view all 180 comments in a single page" link.

I think the mod up and mod down links were clearer when they were either side of a comment's score (also the 2 buttons' vertical alignment looks a bit off in Firefox v2.0.0.3/Win2k)

Other than that it's a great new design. Well done to all concerned!

Reply Score: 1

RE: my 2p
by Adam S on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 13:02 UTC in reply to "my 2p"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

I miss the "view all 180 comments in a single page" link.

Um... do you realize it's not only still there, but it's also an option in your preferences?

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: my 2p
by B12 Simon on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 13:06 UTC in reply to "RE: my 2p"
B12 Simon Member since:
2006-11-08

I do now ;o)

Cheers!

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: my 2p
by B12 Simon on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 13:08 UTC in reply to "RE: my 2p"
B12 Simon Member since:
2006-11-08

Ah. Missed that one ;o)

Cheers

Reply Score: 1

Much more spread out
by alcibiades on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 12:11 UTC
alcibiades
Member since:
2005-10-12

Its a lot more spread out, so its harder to quickly scan through the material and pick what you want. Whether its number of threads on a page, or number of comments in a thread on a page. Could perhaps be helped by using smaller font in the headers and smaller avatars. Yes, its a more lively and graphical display, but I find the sense of a rather small window into a rather big document a bit claustrophobic. The current display is a bit dull visually, but it packs a lot into a small area.

Reply Score: 2

Firefox + Extensions
by JCooper on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 12:25 UTC
JCooper
Member since:
2005-07-06

I've come round to the new layout, thanks to Firefox and some page editing extensions ;)

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/1781/osnewsv4au7.png

:)

Reply Score: 2

Adsense pub...
by gothic on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 12:48 UTC
gothic
Member since:
2005-07-06

Please make adsense pub centered with news column.. it's on the left.. and give it some more space.. like one in the top and another in the bottom.

Reply Score: 1

I know what I hate
by Sphinx on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 13:26 UTC
Sphinx
Member since:
2005-07-09

Cluttered, busy, distracting, stupid fscked up avatars and icons for users on every message, looks like some 10 year old kid's crappy blog.

Far, far less enjoyable to read and much rougher on the eyes than the grey/green site. Totally loathe it.

Reply Score: 4

RE: I know what I hate
by Adam S on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 14:08 UTC in reply to "I know what I hate"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Cluttered, busy, distracting, stupid fscked up avatars and icons for users on every message, looks like some 10 year old kid's crappy blog.


*READ THE COMMENTS BEFORE POSTING*

Go to your preferences and shut them off. There, fixed. Happy?

Reply Score: 1

Well, let's see
by deathshadow on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 13:49 UTC
deathshadow
Member since:
2005-07-12

As a web designer, let's see what we have for comments.

First off, it's not valid XHTML 1.0 strict... despite your using that doctype.

The following properties are NOT valid XHTML
target
align
language
name
border

and it looks like you failed to close at LEAST five tags properly.

It LOOKS like you are resorting to a number of browser specific hacks you shouldn't be needing to go anywhere near (like the stuff that's IE7 specific) given the simplicity of the layout... you've restricted yourself to 'crappy little stripe' again, just this time a BIGGER crappy stripe (that's a 'fixed width design' complaint)... You should probably be stating a XMLS statement on your HTML tag, and most certainly should be including a character encoding meta... and you are using non-semantic markup with tons of classed div's instead of using meaninful tags like H1, H2, UL, OL, LI, etc meaning you aren't giving search engines OR non-css users any real clues as to what's what.

Oh, and the text in the sidebar is too damned small on 'large font' machines, likely from using too small a px sized font instead of %/em or pt.

You folks want, I could work up a VALID template for you to work from that would be more SEO, Semantic and use a LOT less code overall.

Of course, I'd also make no guarantees as to IE 5.x support, but you did that yourselves the moment you used a XHTML 1.0 strict header.

Edited 2007-03-23 14:08

Reply Score: 3

looks good
by peks on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 13:50 UTC
peks
Member since:
2007-03-23

i think the design looks very good, but there are some thing that have to be fixed. i thing the main thing are news items listed on the first page.. needs little more space around the news text.
but anyway, great design! keep up the good work.

Reply Score: 1

v Horrible
by Southern.Pride on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 14:18 UTC
Remember, it's about operating systems ...
by MacTO on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 14:30 UTC
MacTO
Member since:
2006-09-21

Glitz and features may be nice, but this site is about operating system news. Some operating systems just don't have access to web browsers with all of the new fangled stuff, so you can expect to drive away users of some operating systems. Much of what remains will be Mac/Linux/Windows oriented. Which may be fine for the majority, but not everyone. (Some Linux users would even have trouble because you cannot run Firefox on low-resource systems.)

Browser: ELinks/0.11.2 (textmode; Linux 2.6.16-ARCH i686; 80x25-2)

Reply Score: 1

deathshadow Member since:
2005-07-12

>>Some Linux users would even have trouble because
>> you cannot run Firefox on low-resource systems.


Which is why 'graceful degredation' by using SEMANTIC tags is very important. Loading up on assigning classes to meaningless DIV's and anchors for things like topics or lists of items is just bad form. It's WHY you use header tags, ordered and unordered lists, and paragraphs INSTEAD of DIV. DIV's should really be reserved for grouping sets of semantic tags together, or for things for which there are no semantic tags...

Oh, I have a question: what is that "star" thing on the main page supposed to actually do? Why is it wrapped in an extra SPAN when you have a perfectly good anchor?

Reply Score: 1

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Some operating systems just don't have access to web browsers with all of the new fangled stuff, so you can expect to drive away users of some operating systems.


Um.. youre using Links, which last I checked, works perfectly. So why would you possibly think we'll be leaving anyone else out in the cold? We'll just not be supporting features that their browser doesn't support anyway.

Reply Score: 1

MacTO Member since:
2006-09-21

Actually, I usually use more modern browsers. But I was thinking more of people who use the oddball OSes that I periodically give a try. The articles on these OSes and the discussion that surrounds it is far more interesting to me than: "Yet another Ubuntu test release" or "Why Windows XP ain't so bad" or similar stuff. I'm just afraid that a site that is more hostile to their OS will chase that type of user away.

As for ELinks being supported, it is already a third class citizen. Many of the features that others take for granted, like scoring, aren't available. More importantly, it isn't obvious how you would filter messages based upon that score.

Reply Score: 1

Comments option
by Ikshaar on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 14:55 UTC
Ikshaar
Member since:
2005-07-14

- the link in "Recent comments" does not jump to latest comment but just to the story. Not sure if on purpose or my browser (Firefox Linux amd64).

- Highlight on my own comments is very neat - but it is not visible when I browse from another computer even if I am logged in.

- Sort Newest does not work

Edited 2007-03-23 14:59 UTC

Reply Score: 1

rating bug
by griffinme on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 14:56 UTC
griffinme
Member since:
2005-11-09

Made a two comment votes yesterday. The count shows 9. The count has not been reset today.

Reply Score: 1

RE: rating bug
by Adam S on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 15:12 UTC in reply to "rating bug"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Not a bug. It looks up ratings that you've made within the last 24 hours. In the last 24 hours (from now), you made 1, which leaves 9.

Reply Score: 1

Apologize if already mentioned
by fretinator on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 15:31 UTC
fretinator
Member since:
2005-07-06

I apologize ahead of time if this is already mentioned (or a known issue that I should know)

Each session, my view keeps reverting to "flat", and then I have to reselect "threaded", which forces a reload. The selection is not remembered across sessions.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Apologize if already mentioned
by Adam S on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 15:50 UTC in reply to "Apologize if already mentioned"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Each session, my view keeps reverting to "flat", and then I have to reselect "threaded", which forces a reload. The selection is not remembered across sessions.

Yes it is. It's following whatever is currently set in your preferences.

Reply Score: 1

RandomGuy Member since:
2006-07-30

I've got the same problem:
My preferences say "nested" but new pages always default to "flat view".

Reply Score: 1

fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

My preference is not set to "flat", it is set to "nested" (I get "threaded" and "nested" confused, sorry), but several times a day I have to manually choose it, because it keeps reverting to "Flat", usually after I have closed the browser and come back (thus I thought it had something to do with a session).

Reply Score: 2

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

I'm not sure what to tell you right now. The code is very small and very clear - in fact, it defaults to nested right now.

The only way to get flat comments is if you have view=flat in the URL or your view is set to flat in the prefs (yours *is* set to nested). Can you check the URL?

Reply Score: 1

fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

I just clicked your comment in the "Recent Comments" list, and this page loaded flat. Here is the URL from my address bar (as you see, it has flat in it):

http://www4.osnews.com/comments/17538?view=flat&perpage=-1#223988

Maybe the bug is in the URL that is generated for your "Recent Comments" section.

p.s., I am a software developer (C++, Java, .NET), so I understand the "fun" of finding bugs!

Reply Score: 2

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Wait... that's not a bug! That's so you see the comment!

If you have your mode as nested, the comments overflow at some point, which means in long threads, the links on the sidebar are dead links. So the recent links are always set to flat. You see?

Reply Score: 1

fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

Got it! Reminds me of why I want to buy a Volkswagon Beetle (AKA Bug) and get the license plate "FEATURE". When people ask me what it means, I can say,

"It's not a Bug, it's a Feature!"

I'm sure they will just shake their heads and walk away, but I like it.

Reply Score: 2

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Nice sarcasm.

Do you have a better way to do it?

[EDIT] The other option is to send them to the permalink, but then there's another click to participate.

Edited 2007-03-23 16:45

Reply Score: 1

fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

In fact, I just hovered over the "Recent Comments" section, and all of the links have "view=flat" in them. I think that is you bug.

Reply Score: 2

Subdued themes = good
by CharAznable on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 15:54 UTC
CharAznable
Member since:
2005-07-06

Here's a thought:
A darker, more subdued theme makes the site look like it could conceivably be work related. The bright green stands out a bit too much ;)

Reply Score: 1

how about OpenID
by apoc on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 16:07 UTC
apoc
Member since:
2006-03-24

Would be nice to implement it.

( I'm still shocked about the new colour scheme but that'll change right? I love the old blue diagonals )

Reply Score: 1

Themes.
by Adam S on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 16:22 UTC
Adam S
Member since:
2005-04-01

Enjoy.

http://www4.osnews.com/theme

This is temporary until we migrate to v4. For now, please note you MUST ACCEPT COOKIES to set a theme.

Reply Score: 1

For what it's worth...
by Flatland_Spider on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 17:36 UTC
Flatland_Spider
Member since:
2006-09-01

It took my brain a second to wrap its self around the new site, but it looks good. The best part I can use the sidebar in Firefox without losing anything I actually want to read!

There are a a couple nitpicks though. the headers on the left side link bar seem like they would be a natural place for a link, and I liked the old logo better.

Anyway, it looks great.

Reply Score: 1

nice!
by helf on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 18:10 UTC
helf
Member since:
2005-07-06

I quite like the new site! I do *not* like having the links and stuff on the right hand side though ;) Can you make it optional? I much prefer having it on the left. having it on the right just makes the site look weird to me...

I really love the new design though!

oh, I don't like the ne wlogo at all either. it's really really really UGLY! IMO of course ;)

How about you guys have a logo competition? That would be awesome! You might get some VERY good submissions!

Edited 2007-03-23 18:11 UTC

Reply Score: 2

RE: nice!
by Adam S on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 20:30 UTC in reply to "nice!"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01
RE[2]: nice!
by helf on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 21:09 UTC in reply to "RE: nice!"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

oh, thanks... heh. sorry, missed that somehow ;)

Reply Score: 2

Triple digit comment counts on front page
by ormandj on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 18:14 UTC
ormandj
Member since:
2005-10-09

Adam,

On the front page, if you look at this news story, the comment count isn't displaying correctly. It's saying "20 comments" for this, when there are over 200. This is in FireFox 2.

Reply Score: 2

helf Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm using Internet Explorer 7.0.5730.11 and it is showing this article as having just 5 comments.

Reply Score: 2

Sidebar
by PascalP on Sat 24th Mar 2007 10:15 UTC
PascalP
Member since:
2007-01-21

What about making the Sidebar customizable? So that you could remove several columns, like the 'recent comments'.

Reply Score: 2

Typo on http://www4.osnews.com/theme
by ravichhabra on Sat 24th Mar 2007 10:17 UTC
ravichhabra
Member since:
2005-08-12

The "Classic" theme is for the people who prefer the look and feel of OSN4. Since it's so different, there are still many areas of this theme that are incomplete.

I think it should read "The....look and feel of OSN3" instead of OSN4.

Reply Score: 1

Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Fixed. Thanks.

Reply Score: 1

themes...
by helf on Sat 24th Mar 2007 20:44 UTC
helf
Member since:
2005-07-06

This has probably been mentioned already, but...

Why can't you set themes in your profile? So when you log in to OSNews, it's back at the theme you want? I use several PCs constantly and having to change the theme to left everytime I log in is rather annoying... ;)

Reply Score: 2

RE: themes...
by Adam S on Sun 25th Mar 2007 21:20 UTC in reply to "themes..."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Did you even read the text on the theme page?

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: themes...
by helf on Sun 25th Mar 2007 22:22 UTC in reply to "RE: themes..."
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

oh... heh, sorry. Completely overlooked it.

Reply Score: 2

Initial Thoughts
by dswain on Sat 24th Mar 2007 21:32 UTC
dswain
Member since:
2005-07-03

So far, I enjoy it. The theme is quite drastically different from the original obviously and I'm pretty fond of this original look, so that's probably just something I have to adjust to. You can always go back to original mode, so that's good too. I like the "lefty" theme also even though I'm right handed.

I haven't gone too deep into other things yet, but I can say that I don't like the ads in between the entries. I never minded the ads on the side of the side and top, and maybe you have to do that now for more clicks or something but if there would be one thing I'd change right off the bat it'd be getting rid of the ones in between entries. It's probably something that could be gotten used to though if it needs to be there... I just feel that it takes away from the reading itself to be honest.

As a few other thoughts:
Firstly, I love the ability to edit comments (as I'm doing right now) so props to that! I also enjoy the starring feature and all of the XML going on here now.

Secondly, this is more of a question, but is it possible to paginate the threaded/nested views at all? I kind of like the idea of both, but I don't like the idea of going through hundreds of comments on one page. I don't know if the design allows for pagination to occur in these views so I'm more curious than anything.

Edited 2007-03-24 21:49 UTC

Reply Score: 1

RE: Initial Thoughts
by Adam S on Sun 25th Mar 2007 21:19 UTC in reply to "Initial Thoughts"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

is it possible to paginate the threaded/nested views at all?


No. We looked into this. The problem is that once it's threaded, we can't control how many comments are on a page anymore if we keep the thread going. The first page may have 10 comments but the first comment has 20 replies, and they each have 2 replies. By the last page, you may have 10 comments with no replies. So there's no consistency that way. This is more a logical problem than a technical one. You follow?

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Initial Thoughts
by dswain on Sun 25th Mar 2007 21:23 UTC in reply to "RE: Initial Thoughts"
dswain Member since:
2005-07-03

Yeah I see what you mean. That makes sense and I figured it was something like that. Kind of a shame because that seems like it'd help. Oh well though... it's not really that bad and the flat view is fine also. Thanks for the reply though, I appreciate it.

Reply Score: 1

Couple of ideas?
by elsewhere on Sun 25th Mar 2007 03:46 UTC
elsewhere
Member since:
2005-07-13

I like the new site. While I could probably nitpick if I wanted to, the fact is that I found the old layout to be somewhat dated looking.

Two things come to mind with the new layout:

a) Since you highlight the topic header for user messages, how about highlighting new messages posted since the last time the comments were viewed? Something as simple as using a cookie to record time and trigger highlighting of posts displayed since the last view time? Taking this article as an example, with 238 posts, it can be cumbersome finding newer posts in a threaded view.

b) For the avatar thingy, can it be changed to display a blank avatar for users that have declined to set one, rather than using the generic default one? Avatars are useful in recognizing posters, using a generic one sort of defeats that because it adds clutter. Using a profile setting to view them is an all-or-nothing alternative, so I'm wondering about something in between?

Just my 2c...

Reply Score: 3

Padding
by Cymro on Sun 25th Mar 2007 13:58 UTC
Cymro
Member since:
2005-07-07

Just a couple of pixels of padding on the body of the news items would improve the front page enormously IMO.

It's difficult for the eye to make sense of what's going on without any gaps between all the different font sizes and styles.

Looks good though.

Reply Score: 1