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I dont have RAID, maybe I could try the alternate one.

However the serial ATA recognition is a know bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/8...

Anyone else have this problem?

Ok, I'm installing it now, so the bug is fixed.
Anyone who earlier had a problem installing on serial ata, can try this beta.

Don't know what to say, but worked for me on to boxes with sata.. Guess it depends on what chipset you have..

Ugh, come to think of it I installed 6.10 and upgraded immediately to feisty.. Talk about lazy :p Anyway, that worked fine. Except I had to make a custom kernel (2.6.21-rc3) for one of the machines because there appears to be a kernel-bug before that making it crash under heavy load. (not ubuntu related)

Edited 2007-03-24 11:01 UTC

Yes, Ubuntu does work in serial ata hard drives, and it was worked for a long time.

It may not install in your sata controller, but it does work in most of the sata controllers out there.

I'm sure Qt 4 and future release of Xorg will solve this

Edited 2007-03-23 20:16

IIRC libxcb corrects alot of the problems which people have with slow redrawing; its just a matter of getting GTK and Qt to move accross to it - and for LibXll to finally get killed off :-)

Edit: yes, I know that LibX11 is now just a wrapper over libxcb, but there is a performance penalty for that convinence of not breaking compatibility.

Edited 2007-03-24 12:10

1. No it doesn't support that.

2. Don't know sorry.

1. Does the new Gnome 2.18 Power Manager utility allow you to change which power profile you are using.

You can do it with the "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor" applet.

Just add it to a gnome panel after issuing this command:

sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector

That's it :-)

Yes! Thanks you!

Perhaps it would be better to make it behave that +s when ran by anyone in the admin group... More secure that way... Bug reporting time!

In related news, an Ubuntu story was posted and somebody complained about too many Ubuntu stories.

Now, there's a news story for you!

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Every single beta Ubuntu release is a news article at OSNews.
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Ubuntu has a beta release once every six months. The last one was released 6 months ago.

I'm not sure which "Every single beta Ubuntu release" you are referring to.

At any rate, the beta release is significant to many and the official announcement most certainly belongs here.

Edited 2007-03-23 20:49

"I'm not sure which "Every single beta Ubuntu release" you are referring to."

Obviously he's referring to the so called Herd releases. And, I happen to agree. Every time someone from the 'buntu camp takes a dump it's front page news on Osnews and other similar sites. Yes, I realize that ubuntu is the most popular Linux distribution (and I happen to be an Ubuntu user) but beta software is unfinished work and shouldn't be thrown at the general public with so much fanfare. What ends up happening is people treat the beta like a general release, experience a ton of problems with it and then go sulking back to Windows with the misguided notion that Linux is flawed or substandard. In addition, general users rarely report bugs properly. Hard core users on the other hand know where to look for beta releases from the Ubuntu development site...they don't need to have it plastered on the front page of every major technical web site.

Edited 2007-03-23 21:36

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Yes, I realize that ubuntu is the most popular Linux distribution (and I happen to be an Ubuntu user) but beta software is unfinished work and shouldn't be thrown at the general with so much fanfare.
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Nonsense. They are clearly marked as a work in progress and there are prominent warnings on the downloads page, and other places, that the alpha or beta is *not* the final product.

On the other hand, if not enough people are aware of the alpha and beta releases, and consequently too few people test and report bugs... *then* your hypothetical Windows user tries the actual released product, has a ton of problems with it, and goes back to Windows.

Give OSNews readers credit at least for being able to read.

I stand by my original post.

Edited 2007-03-23 21:41

Give OSNews readers credit at least for being able to read.

There are too many idiots in the world to start giving out credit to people who haven't earned it :-)

Adam

Ah but if an OSNews reader misses the "Beta" in the title as well as the bolded "Do not install it on production machines" in the second paragraph then I daresay that they have issues beyond the danger of installing a beta.

I am of mixed feelings on seeing every herd/whatever release being posted to OSNews. It is news and of interest to at least some of us though. Just as with any other news site, there is nothing forcing a reader to open and discuss every article. For me, it is not the announcement that is of interest but the problems and successes that are reported in the comments. I knew herd 5 was due out soon. That does not give me a feel for where people are having problems and what I might need to watch out for.

Overall, I like that the herds are posted here.

"""I knew herd 5 was due out soon."""

While I generally agree with your post, this is not Herd 5. That was a while back. This is the actual beta, with the Feisty release scheduled to be 24 days days from now. :-)

FWIW, I am running Herd 5 with all the updates (essentially, the beta) and for the first time ever, my Broadcom 4318 wifi is working very nicely *with the native driver*. This goodness came, I believe, with the move to the 2.6.20 kernel.

No more ndiswrapper! Yea! :-)

Oops you are correct. I should have said "I knew the next planned release."

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule

For details on the release plan.

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There are too many idiots in the world to start giving out credit to people who haven't earned it :-)
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If you think they're here to look at the pictures, turn adblock off and have a look. ;-)

Just because they can read, it doesn't mean they can understand :-)

Adam

but beta software is unfinished work and shouldn't be thrown at the general public with so much fanfare. What ends up happening is people treat the beta like a general release, experience a ton of problems with it and then go sulking back to Windows with the misguided notion that Linux is flawed or substandard.

Thank you so much!! This is exactly my issue with beryl, these days. I've been on the beryl forums pretty much every day for the last two weeks, and so many posts are from someone trying linux for the first time, unable to get beryl doing what they saw it doing in a video on youtube. All this publicity of beta software does is damage linux, not help it.

Oh, and I'm simply dumbfounded by the number users who have a hard time getting beryl working on feisty, and don't understand that, being beta software running on a beta distribution, of course it's gonna break regularly. Then they get all pissy when you (politely) point out their stupidity and suggest that instead of whining about it not working, they open up a bug report.

Adam

Edited 2007-03-23 21:46

So OS News is general public?

Also, seriously, if you are whining then why did you click on the story to begin with?

This story isn't pushing out other news off the front page that hasn't already been there for a couple of days.

Get over yourself.

Have you tried to blacklist the module?

/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

add 8139too there

Edited 2007-03-23 21:05

I think the point is that he can't blacklist the module if he can't even get the CD to boot and install on his machine :-)

Boot using either the alternate or server CD. then alt F2 and add it to the blacklist prior to getting to network configuration.

The liveCD would indeed be a problem, but the other two should be capable.

EDIT: you will also have to add the card to the blacklist on the hard disk install once you are done. Either do it prior to rebooting or load up the alternate CD again and mount the drive to make the changes.

Edited 2007-03-23 21:22

Isn't it also possible to pass module parameters at boot up time?

Yes I think so. I'd need an option to tell the kernel to NOT load a certain module. The thing is, the 8139too module gets COMPILED with either MMIO or PIO enabled, so this cannot be changed during runtime with a boot paramater. I just had to find a way to tell the LiveCD to not load this one single module and everything would be fine. Would it be possible to create a custom LiveCD?

I thought maybe you could pass a kernel parameter like disablemodules=8139too

Otherwise, if it is a mini-pci card, can you just remove it. I had a broadcom mini-pci card. I switched it to Intel Pro 2200. It was just a small door on the bottom of the laptop.

Well IS there such a kernel parameter like "disablemodules"?? I have googled so much for a way to disable a module, but haven't found anything.

Thats what the blacklist file is for and I dont think there is a command for that.

Well, indeed it seems that disablemodules=8139too appended to the kernel command line works. The boot process is now at least closer to being finished, yet it stops at detecting the SATA disks, complaining about ACPI. I guess disabling ACPI should help.

The problem is, even the LiveCD or alternate install CD won't even boot - I can't install Ubuntu at all! Ubuntu is completely not-usable for me! There's the grub menu, and when Ubuntu loads I see the Ubuntu logo and the progress bar for about 2 secs and then the system freezes. I'm now running Gentoo, and I can reproduce this behavior when I compile 8139too with MMIO instead of PIO (or vice versa, I don't remember right now). I just wish I could use Ubuntu again ...

Did you try just deactivating the network card in the bios? Once you've installed and tweaked the system, you can just reactivate it.

Have you reported this at Launchpad?

That's a very serious bug. Please report it to Ubuntu, if not to the Linux kernel itself.

The one in Edgy wouldn't work for static ips, and it's VPN support was wonkey (didn't even exist for vpnc). But in Feisty, all my problems have disappeared so far.

When using only WLAN connection, NetworkManager sets it up too late, causing gnome-settings-daemon/libesd to hang as they are confused about my machines hostname. When also plugin my mobile UMTS data card into the notebook things become even worse as NetworkManager loves it to drop the DNS settings and the default route obtained from the PPP daemon. When using plain old /etc/network/interfaces, everything works smoothly: If the WLAN switch is on, I instantly get WLAN access. If I plug in the UMTS data card, the internet connection is setup instantly and I can use both - WLAN and UTMS - at the same time.

In Breezy to Edgy, it's been off-and-on, but in Feisty, NetworkManager has been flawless for me (with a Broadcom AirForce 4318 under ndiswrapper, no less). In fact, I miss it on Windows machines, since the packin wireless tool is somewhere in the vicinity of awful)

I also have a general dislike for nm. I prefer wifi-radar for one and for another I quite often use wired and wireless simultaneously to connect to distinct networks. Sometimes I have static, sometimes dhcp as well different connection commands based on where I am. My situation is not common but network manager just gets in my way and is unwanted.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager

gives steps on how to disable nm without uninstalling it. I just did this myself so do not know if it will work in the long run, but hope so.

For convenience the steps are as follows:

Stop network manager

sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher stop
sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop

Create two files with only the word 'exit' in them. These files are:

/etc/default/NetworkManager
/etc/default/NetworkManagerDispatcher

sudo apt-get install blender

so yes. And do try and leave the Digg memes on Digg.,,

What wireless card? Does ndiswrapper work in the meantime?

What display issues?

File bugs

You can manage to get it to work. I got Edgy Eft to work on that chipset, but I had to use Lilo instead of Grub.

Ok now people are going to complain about not enough effort is put into Ubuntu now, more time spent on Fedora. Well I am one for choice I do not want a one distro town and I would say no one else does either. I find it amazing with all the choices now people are going to complain that the other side gets more attention. LOL

Oh thats classic.

Well Ubuntu should be the one feeding Fedora grapes.

Heres why:

http://www.awe.com/mark/blog/200701041544.html
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features

Have a nice day.

Edited 2007-03-24 20:48

That was intented to be a joke, sorry if wasn't funny.

Thanks for the first link, it's quite informative. One quick note, though - if you think that many users pick an desktop OS/distro basing on availability of security features, hmm, you are 99.(9)% wrong.