Linked by David Adams on Tue 27th Mar 2007 15:03 UTC, submitted by Corinne Iozzio
Windows Just when you finally thought your Windows XP settings were just right, here comes Windows Vista. Fear not: PC Magazine has teamed up with Wiley Books to bring you Windows Vista Solutions to guide you through the ins and outs of your new OS. This week's excerpt helps you navigate the control panel to make your computer fit you. Personalize your computer with new themes, wallpaper, sounds, menu options and more. Here's how.
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Best way
by raver31 on Tue 27th Mar 2007 16:07 UTC
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2005-07-06

To customise Vista.
Insert, Ubuntu disc, reboot PC, follow the menus.


Lighten up...

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RE: Best way
by Nex6 on Tue 27th Mar 2007 16:37 UTC in reply to "Best way"
Nex6 Member since:
2005-07-06

fuuny, or:

insert freeBSD disk follow menus...

or to custmise Ubuntu:
instert Vista CD follow menus...



hehe



-Nex6

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: Best way
by terog on Tue 27th Mar 2007 16:56 UTC in reply to "RE: Best way"
terog Member since:
2007-03-09

or to custmise Ubuntu:
instert Vista CD follow menus...


But the point of customizing is to make things better so I wouldn't recommend this...

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RE[3]: Best way
by stare on Tue 27th Mar 2007 17:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Best way"
stare Member since:
2005-07-06

or to custmise Ubuntu:
instert Vista CD follow menus...

But the point of customizing is to make things better so I wouldn't recommend this...


I'd recommend this exactly for that reason...

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RE[4]: Best way
by terog on Tue 27th Mar 2007 17:46 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Best way"
terog Member since:
2007-03-09

or to custmise Ubuntu:
instert Vista CD follow menus...

But the point of customizing is to make things better so I wouldn't recommend this...

I'd recommend this exactly for that reason...


Me too but only for my worst enemies. This is "better" you know... ;)

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RE[4]: Best way
by bornagainenguin on Wed 28th Mar 2007 01:48 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Best way"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

But the point of customizing is to make things better so I wouldn't recommend this...

I'd recommend this exactly for that reason...

I do not think you understand the meaning of that word "better" when you use it that way...

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[4]: Best way
by Babi Asu on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 21:23 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Best way"
Babi Asu Member since:
2006-02-11

or to custmise Ubuntu:
instert Vista CD follow menus...

But the point of customizing is to make things better so I wouldn't recommend this...

I'd recommend this exactly for that reason...


I recommend this for the same reson:
http://www.daemonology.net/depenguinator/

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RE[3]: Best way
by Laurence on Wed 28th Mar 2007 10:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Best way"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

or to custmise Ubuntu:
instert Vista CD follow menus...

But the point of customizing is to make things better so I wouldn't recommend this...


Having used both Vista and Ubuntu, I'd actually say Vista was better (and that's coming from a *nix fanboy)

Edited 2007-03-28 10:24

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RE[4]: Best way
by terog on Wed 28th Mar 2007 13:01 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Best way"
terog Member since:
2007-03-09

Having used both Vista and Ubuntu, I'd actually say Vista was better (and that's coming from a *nix fanboy)

How exactly is Vista better than Ubuntu? Is it the DRM, WGA, Activation or the incredible system requirements?

Please, enlighten us. I for one can't even imagine what you are talking about.

If you were talking about about the lack of commercial applications I would understand, but then again this is the fault of software vendors not Linux.

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RE[5]: Best way
by Laurence on Wed 28th Mar 2007 13:29 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Best way"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Having used both Vista and Ubuntu, I'd actually say Vista was better (and that's coming from a *nix fanboy)

How exactly is Vista better than Ubuntu? Is it the DRM, WGA, Activation or the incredible system requirements?

Please, enlighten us. I for one can't even imagine what you are talking about.

If you were talking about about the lack of commercial applications I would understand, but then again this is the fault of software vendors not Linux.


Most of the stuff you described can turned off with a little know-how. Just like to get the best of out Ubuntu requires a little know how.

Vista is hardly the best Windows system (2000 would get my vote) but then in my honest opinion Ubuntu is hardly the best Linux system either. One thing Windows does very well is it's a well rounded system with specialist support (ie Cubase: Music production) - however loads of people use Ubuntu so it obviously apeals to an audience.

My suggestion is rather than arguing that x system is better then y system (which i'm guilty of as well), you guys should accept that x system does some things better than y system and equally y system does some things better than x.

Edited 2007-03-28 13:40

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RE[6]: Best way
by terog on Wed 28th Mar 2007 15:06 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Best way"
terog Member since:
2007-03-09

Most of the stuff you described can turned off with a little know-how. Just like to get the best of out Ubuntu requires a little know how.

Well Ubuntu may not yet work perfectly out of the box for everybody, but that sure as hell is the goal (of Ubuntu and many other distros).

In Vista you need knowledge to turn off stuff that does not improve the user experience in any way. This will never be the case with Linux distros (hopefully at least).

And how do you turn off unwanted bloat in Vista? In Linux it's just the matter of uninstalling the apps you don't need.

Vista is hardly the best Windows system (2000 would get my vote)

At last we agree on something ;)

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RE[7]: Best way
by Laurence on Wed 28th Mar 2007 15:34 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Best way"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

1) Well Ubuntu may not yet work perfectly out of the box for everybody, but that sure as hell is the goal (of Ubuntu and many other distros).

2)In Vista you need knowledge to turn off stuff that does not improve the user experience in any way. This will never be the case with Linux distros (hopefully at least).

3) And how do you turn off unwanted bloat in Vista? In Linux it's just the matter of uninstalling the apps you don't need.



1) Just as it is the goal for Windows Vista as well as every other OS other designed. ;-)
Also bare in mind that Vista is still an infant. It maybe another Windows system, but new drivers still have to be written et al

2) I had to turn off automatic initiation of the xwindows system in Ubuntu as I like to choose when to start X as and when I need to.
Besides, Vistaís target audience is as much at novices as it is for experienced users like ourselves. Novices need the extra sh*t that we donít. Taking that into account, it would make more sense for the experienced users to turn the settings off, than the novices to turn it on.

3) Itís exactly the same on Vista ;-)

Edited 2007-03-28 15:40

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RE: Best way
by vasper on Tue 27th Mar 2007 20:06 UTC in reply to "Best way"
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2005-07-22

Paint a Penguin on Vista Box and throw it away. Then put Suse Linux on the computer.

Seriously now:

Insert Ubundu DVD....

Edited 2007-03-27 20:07

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RE: Best way
by Soulbender on Wed 28th Mar 2007 04:48 UTC in reply to "Best way"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Do we really need dumb comments like this on every damn thread?
You like Linux/BSD/BeOS/Amiga/VIC-20/Eniac, whoopdef--kingdoo, shut up about it already. Especially on news items that has nothing whatever to do with your choice.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Best way
by netpython on Wed 28th Mar 2007 15:19 UTC in reply to "Best way"
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2005-07-06

"Insert, Ubuntu disc, reboot PC, follow the menus."

Additional install beryl,emerald,heliodor and so forth.

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RE: Best way
by Mellin on Thu 29th Mar 2007 00:17 UTC in reply to "Best way"
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2005-07-06

insert Sun Solaris 10 DVD, reboot pc ....

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Um.
by Buck on Tue 27th Mar 2007 17:26 UTC
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2005-06-29

I fail to see the point of this article appearing on OSNews. Alright, I guess way too many people here would like to know that they can switch the Control Panel to "Classic" mode or I dunno... customize desktop background or read a list of default screensavers? Hmm...

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RE: Um.
by Bully on Tue 27th Mar 2007 17:47 UTC in reply to "Um."
Bully Member since:
2006-04-07

Apparently everytime the word Vista is used in an article it has to be on osnews.
While it is obviously only advertisement for a book.

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RE: Um.
by DittoBox on Tue 27th Mar 2007 18:06 UTC in reply to "Um."
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2005-07-08

Ad clicks for the PC Magazine shills, no doubt.

10 pages of content that would fit onto one, maybe two if their fixed width design wasn't so thin and wasn't stuffed to the gills with ads and other invariably useless elements.

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Sadly, I remember the days...
by fretinator on Tue 27th Mar 2007 18:33 UTC
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2005-07-06

When tweaking Windows was cool for me. I remember TweakUI, Powertoys, Salamander, etc. After many years in the Linux world, the amount of "tweaks" I can do in the Windows world seems absolutley trivial compared to the level of tweaking I can do in the Linux world. The closest I can come to this in the Windows world is Litestep (and some similar shell replacements), but it just doesn't seem the same to me.

Reply Score: 5

Give me MUIs!!!!
by mini-me on Tue 27th Mar 2007 20:37 UTC
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2005-07-06

bleh - I was hoping this article would give me information on vista MUIs :-) I would prefer my UI in Greek (or italian, or german, or russian so that coworkers can keep their noseyness out of my computer :p)

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RE: Give me MUIs!!!!
by Doc Pain on Tue 27th Mar 2007 23:04 UTC in reply to "Give me MUIs!!!!"
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2006-10-08

"bleh - I was hoping this article would give me information on vista MUIs :-) I would prefer my UI in Greek (or italian, or german, or russian so that coworkers can keep their noseyness out of my computer :p)"

Or just have your screen turned like a mirror, makes it hard for others to read. HY nOrOgN, OKHO BNCTA! :-)

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Wow....
by BluenoseJake on Tue 27th Mar 2007 20:39 UTC
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2005-08-11

Apparently everytime a vista article is listed on OSNews, the Anti-MS crowd has to pipe up and ruin the discussion.

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v Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by nedvis on Tue 27th Mar 2007 23:01 UTC in reply to "Wow...."
RE: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by Almafeta on Tue 27th Mar 2007 23:07 UTC in reply to "Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

So, where's Pro-MS crowd?

Hi.

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RE[2]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by Almafeta on Wed 28th Mar 2007 12:24 UTC in reply to "RE: Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

Wow. I said all of one syllable pro-Microsoft ("Hi.") and it got modded down...

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RE[3]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by kamil_chatrnuch on Thu 29th Mar 2007 19:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
kamil_chatrnuch Member since:
2005-07-07

better now? ;D

[a windows, solaris, bsd/linux user]

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RE: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by Laurence on Wed 28th Mar 2007 10:46 UTC in reply to "Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I'm sorry "BluenoseJake" but in previous 15 post I still haven't seen a single PRO-MS guy!
So, where's Pro-MS crowd?
Looking for part-time job to get some money to buy new operating system just to start tweaking its GUI? No?

Or they simply don't want add more expense ( buying Visa GUI how to book from failed publisher ) after all.
Or they're just ignorant?


I don't hate Microsoft per se, (however I do hate XP for the most part - but my reasons for this are too long to get into now).
Microsoft make straightforward systems for the home user and while I may not recommend Windows as a server platform, lots of companies have built very stable networking systems using Windows.

The biggest problem with Windows is that they're a victim of their own success. It suffers from lot's of malware in the wild, unstable 3rd party software and bloated default install, but then Linux suffers from much the same when you look at some of the more popular distros and I would put money on OSX going exactly the same way as more users turn to Macs.

So if you guys really think you're better than Windows, why do you use the biggest, most bloated and simplified distro of Linux? surely if you _are_ too good for Windows then you should be running a smaller, niche system?

Edited 2007-03-28 10:47

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RE[2]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by terog on Wed 28th Mar 2007 12:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
terog Member since:
2007-03-09

It suffers from lot's of malware in the wild, unstable 3rd party software and bloated default install, but then Linux suffers from much the same when you look at some of the more popular distros

The default install of Vista takes about 15GB.
The default install of Ubuntu takes under 2GB.

Now tell me, which one of these is truly bloated?

If by bloat you mean the number of useful applications that are included in the Ubuntu install (that cover just about all the basic Desktop needs for productivity and networking), then yes, Ubuntu is "bloated".

Even a more "bloated" distro, like Sabayon, that includes _a_lot_ more software in the default install, takes only about 8GB!

So if you guys really think you're better than Windows, why do you use the biggest, most bloated and simplified distro of Linux? surely if you _are_ too good for Windows then you should be running a smaller, niche system?

I fail to see any logic here. First of all Ubuntu is not "the most bloated distro". Second, why would somebody run Linux just for the sake of more complexity? Third, there are many more reasons for running Linux, like Free Software, better stability etc.

It's not about us being too good for Windows, it's about Windows not being good enough for us.

Edited 2007-03-28 12:42

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RE[3]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by Laurence on Wed 28th Mar 2007 13:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I fail to see any logic here.

First of all Ubuntu is not "the most bloated distro".

Second, why would somebody run Linux just for the sake of more complexity?

Third, there are many more reasons for running Linux, like Free Software, better stability etc.


1) Ubuntu is bloated when compared to distro's like Slackware..

2) I know of loads of people who would run a Linux system just because they can. It's typical g33k mentality to run an anti-MS OS. I'd be very supprised if yourself (obviously learned in IT) doesn't have at least one friend who doesn't use Linux just for that reason alone.

3) Plus I've found Ubuntu to be less stable as both Slackware and Vista and by default install, supports less hardware as both the other systems. Plus, as Slackware and Vistas default packages have all been tried and thoroughly tested Ė you know they have been included because they work. Compare that to other, more bloated distros of Linux which throw packages together willy-nilly, leads to a more stable default system on Vistas part. Gone are the days of Windows 9x when the system used to crash for the sake of. NT systems these days (assuming you set them up right, but then thatís applicable on any platform) are pretty stable.


As I said before, I am a *nix fanboy. I love slackware and FreeBSD far more than I could ever tollerate
Windows, however I find half the arguments pro-Ubuntu can also either be made pro-Windows (ease of use, etc), or Ubuntu does worse than most other *nix distros (networking (falls behind FreeBSD systems), configuration (slackware) etc).

Edited 2007-03-28 13:38

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RE[4]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by terog on Wed 28th Mar 2007 14:42 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
terog Member since:
2007-03-09

1) Ubuntu is bloated when compared to distro's like Slackware..

Yes, but if you wan't to advocate Linux for newbies you don't recommend Slackware, no matter if that's what you run yourself.

The target audience for Ubuntu is new Linux users, but even techies sometimes appreciate convenience.

2) I know of loads of people who would run a Linux system just because they can. It's typical g33k mentality to run an anti-MS OS.

Yes, but it only means that we are more aware of the many problems associated with monopolistic Microsoft and it's products.

I'd be very supprised if yourself (obviously learned in IT) doesn't have at least one friend who doesn't use Linux just for that reason alone.

I've run Gentoo myself but not "just because I can", but for it's (albeit geeky and often controversial) advantages over other distros.

Lately I've been running Ubuntu, mostly for convenience. I miss Gentoo though...

3) Plus I've found Ubuntu to be less stable as both Slackware and Vista and by default install, supports less hardware as both the other systems.

I don't believe that, actually...

Plus, as Slackware and Vistas default packages have all been tried and thoroughly tested Ė you know they have been included because they work.

You are kidding right? I've read so many complaints about Vista that I don't believe this for a second.

You can read about people having problems with Vista here, for example: http://aspnetresources.com/blog/vista_sucks.aspx

Edited 2007-03-28 14:44

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RE[5]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by Laurence on Wed 28th Mar 2007 15:01 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


2) I know of loads of people who would run a Linux system just because they can. It's typical g33k mentality to run an anti-MS OS.

Yes, but it only means that we are more aware of the many problems associated with monopolistic Microsoft and it's products.


That's complete rubbish. A true techie will be 'much more aware' of the many problems each operating system offers (and Linux, just like Windows, does offer as many problems as it offers solutions)


I'd be very supprised if yourself (obviously learned in IT) doesn't have at least one friend who doesn't use Linux just for that reason alone.

I've run Gentoo myself but not "just because I can", but for it's (albeit geeky and often controversial) advantages over other distros.

Lately I've been running Ubuntu, mostly for convenience. I miss Gentoo though...


You're still avoiding the point that i made that some people (not all! but a sizable margin non-the-less) run Linux simply out of spite against MS. that's not undermining Linux or their users, it's just a fact.


3) Plus I've found Ubuntu to be less stable as both Slackware and Vista and by default install, supports less hardware as both the other systems.

I don't believe that, actually...

Plus, as Slackware and Vistas default packages have all been tried and thoroughly tested Ė you know they have been included because they work.

You are kidding right? I've read so many complaints about Vista that I don't believe this for a second.

You can read about people having problems with Vista here, for example: http://aspnetresources.com/blog/vista_sucks.aspx


I'll have a read of the link later, but going by my friends and my own personal experience alone - i've had far fewer problems with a default 'Ultimate' install of Vista than I have with a default install of Ubuntu. I don't doubt others have have problems with Vista, but i'm sure others have had problems with Ubuntu as well.

At the end of the day I can't afford to replace Windows entirely as I can't afford a Mac and I've tried music production on a *nix system and quite frankly it didn't even come close to Cubase on Windows or Logic on a Mac. You can argue the *nix is better than NTx until you're blue in the face but until Rosegarden catches up with Cubase, better *nix soft-synths are programmed and faster drivers are programmed for specialist studio equipment, I will continue to maintain that Windows still has it's place on a competitive market.

I love trying out other operating systems (theres few I havenít had running for any length of time), but quite frankly as a music producer, I canít afford to ignore Windows and OSX Ė in fact Iíd be stupid to spite them for the sake of.

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RE[6]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by terog on Wed 28th Mar 2007 15:20 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
terog Member since:
2007-03-09

That's complete rubbish. A true techie will be 'much more aware' of the many problems each operating system offers (and Linux, just like Windows, does offer as many problems as it offers solutions)

But I wasn't talking about OS problems. I was talking about problems with Microsoft and its business practices.

You're still avoiding the point that i made that some people (not all! but a sizable margin non-the-less) run Linux simply out of spite against MS. that's not undermining Linux or their users, it's just a fact.

But what's wrong with it actually? Do you think we all should just bend over and say "thank you, Microsoft"?

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RE: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by Soulbender on Wed 28th Mar 2007 10:58 UTC in reply to "Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
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2005-08-18

"So, where's Pro-MS crowd? "

Maybe they're busy actually reading the article and not feeding the trolls.

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RE: Where is Pro-MS crowd?
by BluenoseJake on Wed 28th Mar 2007 14:50 UTC in reply to "Where is Pro-MS crowd?"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

"Or they're just ignorant?"

Yeah, it's the Pro-MS crowd that has a corner on the "ignorant" market. Thanks for making my point

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RE: Wow....
by WorknMan on Tue 27th Mar 2007 23:42 UTC in reply to "Wow...."
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2005-11-13

Apparently everytime a vista article is listed on OSNews, the Anti-MS crowd has to pipe up and ruin the discussion.

Well, ya know .. they have to spread their religion somehow, and what better way to do that than to post a bunch of irrelavent comments on every MS or Windows-related article they can find? Too bad the only people they manage to impress are their fellow cult members.

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RE[2]: Wow....
by leech on Wed 28th Mar 2007 00:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow...."
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2006-01-10

Just remember that by definition the only difference between a religion and a cult is the number of their members.

Pro-Microsoft people would in this case be a religion, because of their monopoly, and Anti-MS would be a cult that is slowly becoming a religion.

I guess if you wanted to go down this path, you could also say that Microsoft would be a monotheistic religion and the alternative operating systems would be classified as polytheistic.

Much like any monotheistic religion, they tend to think that they are it, there is nothing outside of their beliefs and that anyone who believes differently is inherently evil.

On the other hand, most polytheistic religions are far more forgiving of others belief systems. Look at the Romans, they basically accepted whatever religion you wanted to be, as long as you weren't off killing a bunch of people.

There are many reasons to bash Windows Vista though, and none of them are religious. I'm sure we'll see a lot more people that used to be Pro-MS suddenly stop being as such due to Vista's enormous requirements and overall unimpressive upgrade from XP.

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RE[3]: Wow....
by WorknMan on Wed 28th Mar 2007 13:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wow...."
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2005-11-13

Much like any monotheistic religion, they tend to think that they are it, there is nothing outside of their beliefs and that anyone who believes differently is inherently evil.

On the other hand, most polytheistic religions are far more forgiving of others belief systems.


LOL, you've got to be shitting m, right? I'm probably about as close to a 'pro MS guy' as you'll find on this site, and I don't go around to every Linux/Mac article I can find and spam a bunch of pro MS stuff. Moreover, I really don't care what you use, be it Linux, Mac, Amiga, typewriter, or whatever. I guess you could say taht pro MS people are more like athiests who say subscribe to whatever religion you want, just keep it to yourself ;)

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RE[2]: Wow....
by fretinator on Wed 28th Mar 2007 14:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow...."
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2005-07-06

Well, ya know .. they have to spread their religion somehow

Well, I was a member of the Mac religion, but they wanted me to sacrifice by newest XP laptop, so I said no way! Then I converted to NetBSD. I didn't mind having to install it on my remote control, but my TV kept blue-screening on MSNBC. Finally, I converted to the one true religion of Ubuntu. Except for the dancing around naked in a circle, it's a pretty nice bunch.

Is it Friday yet??

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RE: Wow....
by bornagainenguin on Wed 28th Mar 2007 01:52 UTC in reply to "Wow...."
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

Or maybe Vista just makes it TOO easy?

--bornagainpenguin (who has actively used every release of Windows since Win3.x but refuses to upgrade beyond XP and regrets doing that)

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Almafeta
Member since:
2007-02-22

Now, if we had some good articles on ways to modify Windows' registry for fun and profit, that would be handy...

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google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

yeah, nothing really spectacular. although, i didnt know you could do the whole categorized classic view thing for the control panel before reading this

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fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06


Member since:
2007-02-22 Now, if we had some good articles on ways to modify Windows' registry for fun and profit


If editing the registry is your idea of fun, remind me not to come to your house for a party.

As for the profit part, a lot of these articles are in Russian ;}

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Why the fanatical loyalty?
by Laurence on Wed 28th Mar 2007 14:39 UTC
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2007-03-26

Having used pretty much every major OS / distro every released (and a great number of the minor ones too), I've never understood how people get almost religious about their OS choice.

Surely members of a forum dedicated to OSs should be much more open minded about other members preferences?

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adblock feed
by netpython on Wed 28th Mar 2007 15:23 UTC
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2005-07-06

Oh well i rather like these articles.Good for feeding noscript and or ablock:-)

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What is going on?
by x5115x on Wed 28th Mar 2007 15:27 UTC
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2007-03-20

Why has a 'my OS is better than yours' war started in this thread, its got nothing to do with which is better.

If you don't like Vista, fine. Don't buy it. Don't use it. Not hard really. If you do however, buy it, use it and maybe the thread's actual article will be of use.

People who buy Vista arent buying it because of how they can hack it to bits and modify it to do whatever they want (use Linux if you want that), they're buying it because its a new (and in a lot of respects improved) version of what they already use; Windows.

I havent done much extra config on my Vista install (I quite like most of the defaults), but then again when XP came out I didnt then. But the more time I use the OS, the more stuff I find out I can change if I want to. Plus, most of the commands under XP like mmc work under Vista too.

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RE: What is going on?
by netpython on Wed 28th Mar 2007 15:43 UTC in reply to "What is going on?"
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2005-07-06

Why has a 'my OS is better than yours' war started in this thread, its got nothing to do with which is better.

more why pay a lot of money for a fraction of themes you can install for free with beryl,xgl,emerald,heliodor etc..

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RE[2]: What is going on?
by Laurence on Wed 28th Mar 2007 15:48 UTC in reply to "RE: What is going on?"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Why has a 'my OS is better than yours' war started in this thread, its got nothing to do with which is better.

more why pay a lot of money for a fraction of themes you can install for free with beryl,xgl,emerald,heliodor etc..



I can't speak for Vista (as i've never bothered to skin it) but pre-Vista systems are just as skinable as Linux if you start looking into 3rd party shells and what not.

I've never understood the point of skins personally, but then I'm at my happiest when i'm roaming a DOS/*nix command prompt.

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RE[2]: What is going on?
by x5115x on Wed 28th Mar 2007 15:50 UTC in reply to "RE: What is going on?"
x5115x Member since:
2007-03-20

I see what youre getting at but people dont buy an OS for its themes. It is part of a bigger picture though. Beryl, xgl etc are downloads you can do after the OS install. I'm not sure what the situation is with Vistas theme support (XP only allowed official themes to be installed, which I agree is rubbish).. Hopefully MS has given UI designers more freedom to work with themes this time round. So when (if) more Vista themes come out I'll get them for free (Royale and Zune XP themes were free). I quite like Aero though so I'm not too fussed as yet.

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Isn't this supposed to be about Vista?
by ssa2204 on Wed 28th Mar 2007 19:31 UTC
ssa2204
Member since:
2006-04-22

This brings me back in the day before Linux when Anti-MS people would use Macs, and Windows users would call Mac-users babies because their OS was so basic, where as Windows, wow you could edit the config.sys file and do all that other garbage to impress your friends. What has changed...really. Now you have people downloading Ubuntu thinking something they are not, using something it really is not. I am not anti-*nix, I just find these religious arguments to be asinine and childish. Fact of the matter is is that Linux is STILL NOT for everyone. The geeks simply fail to realize that the average CONSUMER, not geek, wants something completely different. When a consumer buys a computer from HP with Vista, they have an assurance that Aero and other features are simply just going to work. This is not the case with similar offerings. Server software aside, I can not think of a single desktop Linux program that is a must, or even comes close to competing with Apple/Microsoft software. And most of the fault lies with the developer community who basically release a lot of software that lacks features that users expect. Another aspect that the Linux zealots (not part of the overall Linux community) fail to comprehend is that the average consumer has no interest in tweaking and re-configuring their OS as much as they like to do. At most people like to change their wallpaper, or maybe add Windows Blinds for a new theme. Right or wrong, for whatever reasons, you simply can not replace Windows with Ubuntu for many consumers. Plain and simple. Even more, in a sense the market has spoken. People do prefer to pay for an OS over a free one. I recently had the task of installing Vista along side XP and OpenSuse 10.2. Many of the features that people are griping about just are not reality. Even more I see that a lot of people are simply ignorant to what DRM is actually going to do in Vista. Now make no mistake about it, I despise the entire idea of DRM, but with that said when I went out to see what it was actually going to do I was a bit more informed than what I thought beforehand. I do not think this is necessarily any reason to say that DRM is just fine and dandy, but at least understand what it is going to do when playing back certain media.

Frankly I think certain zealots also fail to see that they behave actually worse than their hated enemy. By screaming, ranting, and attacking people for NOT using their OS of choice is simply ridiculous. And quite frankly is one of the worst selling tactics to use. I have no problem introducing companies to Linux simply because what I propose to them is withing the realm of reality, these people are not. Ubuntu may make a cheap desktop alternative for a temp worker, but it is NOT a Windows replacement, plain and simple. Now Apple on the other hand......

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windows alternative
by netpython on Thu 29th Mar 2007 09:08 UTC
netpython
Member since:
2005-07-06

Ubuntu may make a cheap desktop alternative for a temp worker, but it is NOT a Windows replacement, plain and simple. Now Apple on the other hand......

Personally Ubuntu was and still is a windows alternative for me.The total cost of ownership is a lot less so i can spend more money on hardware

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