Linked by Eugenia Loli-Queru on Sat 5th May 2007 06:09 UTC, submitted by Nix_User
OpenBSD "OpenBSD 4.1 has just been released. Federico Biancuzzi interviewed several developers to discuss some of the new features for networking, active porting efforts (landisk and UltraSPARC III), work on SMP, and the improvements in spam fighting." More here.
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Surprise, surprise...
by hhcv (2.6) on Sat 5th May 2007 07:17 UTC
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I am so impressed that OpenBSD is able to make such large and continuous improvements whilst delivering THE most secure and reliable system out there.

It just goes to show how important solid software development methodologies are - and more significantly, that they can happen in open-source-community environments.

RE: Surprise, surprise...
by Duffman (0.84) on Sat 5th May 2007 10:47 UTC in reply to "Surprise, surprise..."
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On my side, I am so impressed to see a so small team deliver some so good pieces of software.

RE[2]: Surprise, surprise...
by anomie (4) on Sat 5th May 2007 18:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Surprise, surprise..."
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you wrote: I am so impressed to see a so small team deliver some so good pieces of software.

It speaks to the importance of having quality developers (as opposed to a team of 500 schmoes hacking away at nothing much).

The best programmers can be an order of magnitude more productive than the average ones...

KISS
by renhoek (1.68) on Sat 5th May 2007 13:34 UTC
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Running openbsd 4.0 on my server here, i have to say the biggest plus is the simplicity. While other oses get more and more complex, OpenBSD tries to stay simple. That way there are no nasty surprises. Compare PF to iptables and you see what i mean.

The thing they should improve is the ports system, the flavor system is not really easy to use. and the packages should be build for all ports & flavors, it can't be that hard.

The fixed release schedule is also a big plus. Having used debian before i really appreciate when to expect a new version.

RE: KISS
by Janizary (3.72) on Sat 5th May 2007 13:37 UTC in reply to "KISS"
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It can't be legally done. Many ports-only situations are around because of restrictions against the distribution of binaries, don't talk about it until you've read the FAQ at least, Jesus.

Edited 2007-05-05 13:38

RE[2]: KISS
by renhoek (1.68) on Sat 5th May 2007 15:42 UTC in reply to "RE: KISS"
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Ngrep is bsd licensed, yet it's not available as package. forcing me to use the ports system. The postgresql version of dspam is also not available as package forcing me to do wierd flavor stuff (the mysql version is available though).

Maybe they are not in the package tree because of patent issues, but i highly doubt that. I have read the FAQ (before i installed OpenBSD even ;) ), but it did not answer the case for the 2 packages stated above. And there is no need to involve Jesus into this.

RE[3]: KISS
by 0brad0 (3.13) on Sat 5th May 2007 18:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: KISS"
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There were licensing issues with ngrep in the past which prevented a package from being distributed. These issues
have been resolved with the -current ports tree and a package does exist there.

There IS a package for dspam supporting PostgreSQL. There have been packages built from 3.7 all the way up to -current. hrmmm. I wonder what this dspam-3.6.8p3-pgsql.tgz package is for.

You didn't put much effort into that, that was pretty sad.

RE[3]: KISS
by Soulbender (3.48) on Mon 7th May 2007 03:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: KISS"
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"Ngrep is bsd licensed, yet it's not available as package"

ngrep package is available in current.

"The postgresql version of dspam is also not available as package"

dspam-pgsql is available as a package in 4.1.

RE[2]: KISS
by Xaero_Vincent (2.68) on Sat 5th May 2007 15:46 UTC in reply to "RE: KISS"
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I want to try OpenBSD since it's the most secure BSD, but there are a couple problems:

1) Most of the packages are old/outdated.

2) There is no 3D acceleration from what I've read--not even open-source DRI/DRM?

3) The ports selection is very server centric. Very few desktop-oriented applications and games.

#3 is the biggest problem for me.

RE[3]: KISS
by jeraklo (1.1) on Sat 5th May 2007 16:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: KISS"
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OpenBSD is made by professionals for professionals.

If you want to play cool games or enjoy accelerated screensavers please buy yourself PS3 or go and play with your favourite distro.

RE[4]: KISS
by kaiwai (1.28) on Sat 5th May 2007 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: KISS"
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I do think the lack of WPA support in OpenBSD rather strange given the apparent 'security' focus which OpenBSD is ment to have.

RE[4]: KISS
by shapeshifter (2.12) on Sun 6th May 2007 06:25 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: KISS"
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What, professionals don't like playing games?
I highly doubt that.
Maybe that's why BSD is just a niche os with next to none users.
Keep up the superior attitude and you'll be left behind in the dust not just by Microsoft (just ask Novel and Sun) but also by Linux which is getting more popular unlike BSD.

RE[4]: KISS
by twenex (2.56) on Sun 6th May 2007 11:19 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: KISS"
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Correction:

If you want to play cool games or enjoy accelerated screensavers or want to install without having to figure out the arcane partition system or onto more than 1% of PC hardware please go and play with your favourite distro.

RE[3]: KISS
by dbolgheroni (2.25) on Sat 5th May 2007 17:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: KISS"
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There are some ports that are audited too. It's not that simple to download the source of the latest version of an application, compile and include into ports.

And no, there are a lot of bleeding edge packages.

RE[3]: KISS
by 0brad0 (3.13) on Sat 5th May 2007 18:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: KISS"
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1) This is complete and utter bullshit.

2) Correct. Until you submit your patches or someone steps up who is actually interested in hacking in this area then it won't get done. Plain and simple.

3) This is ridiculous. There are plenty of applications used on so called "desktop" systems, audio software, video software, various desktop environments like KDE/GNOME/Xfce, e-mail apps, office suites, etc.

RE[4]: KISS
by Oliver (3.08) on Sat 5th May 2007 19:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: KISS"
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RE[3]: KISS
by glarepate (2.16) on Mon 7th May 2007 03:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: KISS"
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I want to try OpenBSD since it's the most secure BSD, but there are a couple problems:


Yes, instead of bleeding-edge packages you have old, stable programs, graphics not suited to a graphics workstation and no hip new games.

Weigh that against even one hostile intrusion to your system. (Which, in all fairness, could happen anyway.)

Chances are the glitz, high end capabilities and eye-candy/entertainment will follow and be safe enough to actually use. In the mean time if you have work that requires another OS, then that would be the one to use instead of the secure one. Just be sure to isolate it appropriately.

Great OS !
by jeraklo (1.1) on Sat 5th May 2007 13:36 UTC
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Cannot believe such a small team of OpenBSD developers made all those features so needed in any production grade environment.

Highly recommended for any environment that cares about quality, reliability and security.

Keep the good work on !!