Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 7th May 2007 22:56 UTC
Gentoo The Gentoo Release Engineering project is pleased to announce the much-delayed release of Gentoo Linux 2007.0, code named 'Secret Sauce'. This release met with several delays due to an abnormally high number of security vulnerabilities in large packages which had to be rebuilt using the newer, secure versions of the packages. Update: Screenshots!
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automated installer?
by bullethead on Mon 7th May 2007 23:36 UTC
bullethead
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2005-07-10

Do they have an automated installer now similar to at least Debian? I remember my first Ubuntu install, the instructions are really good but since I moved I haven't gotten into their auto installer (last time I used it I hosed my system a couple of years ago) ;)

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RE: automated installer?
by Chuck Norris on Mon 7th May 2007 23:52 UTC in reply to "automated installer?"
Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

Yes, Gentoo has a graphical system installer, but it's still beta after years...

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RE: automated installer?
by butters on Tue 8th May 2007 01:40 UTC in reply to "automated installer?"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

Part of the problem with the installer is that the goal is to preserve as much flexibility from the CLI method as possible. Anyone who's installed Gentoo before knows that this makes it the most ambitious graphical installer project ever attempted for Linux. I've never used it, but I've heard good things.

I don't care much about the Gentoo releases, because I don't even use the Gentoo install media. Why use a second-rate LiveCD if you don't have to? I typically install from an Ubuntu LiveCD or any random Linux install I happen to have on the system. I keep a copy of Tom's Root Boot on a floppy in case the machine won't boot from a CD (possibly because it doesn't have a CD-ROM drive). A serial cable is useful if there's no VGA adapter. That should cover all of your bases, although you might think about cross-compiling if the machine is cerca 1998 or older.

fdisk, mount, wget, tar, chroot, rsync, vi, emerge, vi, rc-update, make menuconfig, vi, emerge -e world && emerge -e world, etc-update, exit, umount, reboot... Easy as pie ;-)

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RE[2]: automated installer?
by fretinator on Tue 8th May 2007 15:40 UTC in reply to "RE: automated installer?"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

fdisk, mount, wget, tar, chroot, rsync, vi, emerge, vi, rc-update, make menuconfig, vi, emerge -e world && emerge -e world, etc-update, exit, umount, reboot... Easy as pie ;-)

I'm not having pie at your house!!

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Updating existing installs
by siimo on Mon 7th May 2007 23:52 UTC
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2006-06-22

emerge -vauD world

is what most people who already have it have to do. Unless you are installing on a new PC or trying it out for the first time theres no need to download the new release and install manually.

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RE: Updating existing installs
by cyclops on Tue 8th May 2007 05:16 UTC in reply to "Updating existing installs"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

You have to change your profiles too

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-upgrading.xml

(View available profiles)
# eselect profile list

(Select the number of your desired profile from the list)
# eselect profile set <number>

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v RE[2]: Updating existing installs
by zetsurin on Tue 8th May 2007 18:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Updating existing installs"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

That's not even remotely true.

Updating your profile will typically not change a thing with the possible exception of you modifying /etc/make.conf to reflect changes in use flags. If use flags are unchanged in the profiles updating the profile will do nothing. And if it does something you won't have to compile much - unless you haven't updated in a while (e.g. many months not including the sparse security updates).

For me upgrading from 2006.1 to 2007.0-desktop made no difference except I could remove a few use flags in /etc/make.conf. Nothing needs to be recompiled.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

You were being offensive for lying outright. You are either #1: Lying about gentoo because gentoo users know better than to recompile endlessly. That is something only morons do or #2 You really are a gentoo user but one of the ricers giving gentoo a bad reputation and having severe trouble figuring out how to use gentoo as a platform - therefore spreading lies.

One way or another you were obviously offensive. You can upgrade profile all you want - only in very special circumstances will it be beneficial to update - and often only a few packages.

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yak8998 Member since:
2006-07-28

I'm sorry you found that offensive. Stop being such a baby. For all you know he could have a 486 and be compiling for an actual week. You even contradicted yourself a bit by saying gentoo users know better, but then you talk about about how some of them too...I'm confused.

If anything, your 2nd response could be construed as being a personal attack. Moron is a generally derogatory word, and ricer is not the preferred nomenclature for asian americans. But he didn't mod you down.

Again - Stop being such a baby. You came across like a preteen whining because someone said his myspace page sucks. Look, I didn't have to mod you down at all. I just responded and pointed out how horrible your post was.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

A gentoo "Ricer" has nothing to do with asians. "Ricer" is a word for users on gentoo using very weird C(XX)FLAGS and Use Flags. It's not related to asians. The fact you believe shows you are completely off.

I didn't call the poster a moron. I used the word moron in my post but not against the poster. Using the word is not offensive in itself nor is it a personal attack - since I didn't use the word for particular person. You could call it a collective attack but then the collective doesn't exist. And I was modded down. He modded down the post where I wrote he was incorrect - despite being completely neutral in my writing. My 2nd post is harsher but still no attacks of any kind.

Fact is the poster claimed something incorrect. Even if he used a 486 he still wouldn't have to compile for a month.

I don't know why you are interfering. I am right - he was wrong. EOF.

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RE[7]: Updating existing installs
by yak8998 on Thu 10th May 2007 07:31 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Updating existing installs"
yak8998 Member since:
2006-07-28

Don't kid yourself on etymology of the word ricer. I was just showing how your post can be construed as being just as offensive as his. Don't try and kid yourself.

You're getting awfully defensive and not doing a very good job at it.

PS I love the absolute at the end of the post. I will stop responding this after this oh lord of the internet =x

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RE: automated installer?
by vtolkov on Tue 8th May 2007 00:37 UTC
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Member since:
2006-07-26

You may try Sabayon, it is based on Gentoo.

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great distro
by re_re on Tue 8th May 2007 00:44 UTC
re_re
Member since:
2005-07-06

i actually haven't used gentoo in a while since i have been very busy with video edithing which requires me to use my Mac, but Gentoo is by far my favorite distro and i hope with this 2007.0 release they have cleaned things up a bit.

I had nothing short of awesome success with all the releases up to 2006.1 (i think that was the last good one for me) but after that things started to get unstable, even with my conservative optimizations.

I am downloading this as we speak and i am going to install it on my spare pc.

i hope to be pleasantly supprised

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RE: great distro
by smitty_one_each on Tue 8th May 2007 11:59 UTC in reply to "great distro"
smitty_one_each Member since:
2005-07-07

For a pleasant surprise, try paludis: http://paludis.pioto.org/

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Sabayon
by visceral monkey on Tue 8th May 2007 00:59 UTC
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Member since:
2006-08-12

I'm not sure what to think about Sabayon. On one hand, the installer is the best I've ever seen and was simply amazing. On the other hand, the devs at the gentoo forums insist that Sabayon is *not* gentoo and refuse to answer any questions to users who identify themselves as sabayon users. This is despite the fact that the devs at sabayon insist it *is* gentoo. Who to believe? Personally, I wish gentoo would get over its eliteness and just adopt the same installer sabayon uses. I've done enough gentoo installs by hand to prove myself "worthy", thanks. I just want it easier to install.

Edited 2007-05-08 01:12

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RE: Sabayon
by dylansmrjones on Tue 8th May 2007 07:52 UTC in reply to "Sabayon"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Use catalyst to make your own install media.

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RE: Sabayon
by Zeno on Tue 8th May 2007 08:48 UTC in reply to "Sabayon"
Zeno Member since:
2007-05-05

You can't expect Debian devs to handle Unbuntu bugs. The same goes for Gentoo devs, with sparse time and resource they should focus their attention on what matters most and that is Gentoo Linux. The truth is that Sabayon by using many experimetal features, and insane default settings is placing a heavy burden on the Gentoo project. Moreover they have their own support system.

About the installer. as said before to match the flexibility of cli installation is a daunting task. Anaconda comes nowhere close. I've used the 2006.1 live cd installer to succesfully install Gentoo on a laptop without a hitch.

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RE[2]: Sabayon
by Headrush on Tue 8th May 2007 11:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Sabayon"
Headrush Member since:
2006-01-03

That's a cop out.

Except for the few differences Sabayon is Gentoo and refusing to help users just because of that is weak. I could understand if the question was strictly related to a Sabayon features, but anything else shouldn't matter.

Plus what is Gentoo's key feature? Flexibility? So isn't possible that a "real" Gentoo user could config his system to look and feel just like a default Sabayon installation?

(We're not talking any Sabayon specific features like the installer.)

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RE[3]: Sabayon
by Zeno on Tue 8th May 2007 13:48 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Sabayon"
Zeno Member since:
2007-05-05

Sure, but in that case the user knows excatley what I he did. And when problems arise he know how to deal with them. With Sabayon you get users that don't have a clue how their system is configured. You can't expect the Gentoo devs to babysit these people.

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RE[4]: Sabayon
by flav2000 on Tue 8th May 2007 14:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Sabayon"
flav2000 Member since:
2006-02-08

Except for the few differences Sabayon is Gentoo and refusing to help users just because of that is weak. I could understand if the question was strictly related to a Sabayon features, but anything else shouldn't matter.

I have to agree with the other poster. With Sabayon, you can't really ask a user what USE flag he used and what CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS he used? Does he/she know if the static linker used? What about prelink?

Most Sabayon user would not be able to tell Gentoo dev's what was used. Since Sabayon relies on binaries (they don't recommend installing ebuilds from Gentoo repositories), the problems usually boils down to the Sabayon flags and optimizations. Usually, with Gentoo, if the user has problems, the first thing he/she should try is to tone down the optimization flags and re-emerge. You can't really make a Sabayon user do that - because the problem could be from the package that doesn't run - or it could be that one of the underlying libraries is borked.

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RE[3]: Sabayon
by dylansmrjones on Tue 8th May 2007 19:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Sabayon"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Sabayon is not gentoo. It uses technology from gentoo and is based on gentoo but has its own software base. It is no more gentoo than Arch Linux is LFS.

Sabayon and gentoo differs greatly from eachother despite using the same technology. And sabayon is not a gentoo project but merely uses gentoo has a starting point. It is no more gentoo than Win95 is Vista.

Yes, gentoo offers flexibility but at your own cost. Don't expect support if you are using anything but sane C(XX)FLAGS and sane Use Flags. Sabayon is not sane in that regard - and is not at all a gentoo project. You want support. Get it from the sabayon community. They know sabayon much better.

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I keep using it
by spectre_be on Tue 8th May 2007 07:47 UTC
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2007-02-13

I have certainly had my rough times when I first started using gentoo (redhat 6/7 quickly lost me because of dependency hell and debian stable was too old, and unstable too .. unstable ;) ), but finally after 4 years or so I can't seem to steer away from gentoo even if most other distros have come up to par.
Maybe this has mostly to do with decently knowing your package system etc, but I've yet to find a package manager which rivals the control Portage offers (USE flags, compilation options, version/blocking management, etc) .
Combined with an easy way to manage extra 'repositories' or trees (layman), Gentoo allows me to keep fairly up to date without messing up my system or installing x packages outside of the managed environment. Should there be a problem, there's practically always an answer on the extensive forums. The irc channels are seemingly always active, but whether that adds to the speed of getting help is another question:-)
Being forced to use redhat/centos/fedora/suse at my work, I've only to come enjoy gentoo even more.
Keep up the good!
Time for emerge -uD --newuse world

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Wow
by betam4x on Tue 8th May 2007 12:11 UTC
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Member since:
2006-01-13

it looks...sexy! lol.

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Coolness
by stabilep on Tue 8th May 2007 20:03 UTC
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Member since:
2006-04-02

Wellt hats good to hear I was planning on tinkering with gentoo again recently....now I just need to allocate the hard disk space for it.

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Kubuntoo ;-)
by edomaur on Tue 8th May 2007 21:15 UTC
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Member since:
2005-08-07

I have been using Gentoo since 1.4. It is my favorite distro but at work I have to work with RH and Debian derivate. From now, I will be using Kubuntu (cannot wait had to install new computer).

Horror story : amd athlon x2, etc. etc. Could not install Gentoo 2006.1 with a fresh profile. Kubuntu, a breeze.

Anti-horror story : a year before, I failed to install FC4 on a 1U blade (alien hardware certainly...). 15 minutes to set a stage 3, and the day after computer was running flawlessly.

I have no time. I will come back to Gentoo probably around the 2008.0 release. Time will tell.

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Great *meta* Distro
by hollovoid on Wed 9th May 2007 01:44 UTC
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Member since:
2005-09-21

Ive been using gentoo for a couple years on and off now and love the control, and learning experience you gain from it. As far as eliteist community, not sure if I have seen that, every time Ive had troubles people have been more than willing to help, or point me to it. As for turning other distros away try to go on any other distros website and ask a question about gentoo, you may find a soul who will help but will generally get the same rundown, always look for help within your community, ubuntu is debian based, but I never asked questions at debians forums, since there are differences. while they may not seem much, a little difference in code can change alot more than you would think.

all in all, good job to all involved in gentoo. The distro that keeps you on your toes ;)

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my 2c
by MrEcho on Wed 9th May 2007 05:35 UTC
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2005-07-07

http://gentoo-install.com

The good old way of installing Gentoo Linux.
Sometimes hand holding live cd's just don't work out well.

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RE: my 2c
by hollovoid on Wed 9th May 2007 12:04 UTC in reply to "my 2c"
hollovoid Member since:
2005-09-21

Good guide, the livecd installer failed for me every time I used it and had me yearning for the old way (non stage 3 way) of doing things and finding that guide was an excellent help.

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Gnome 2.18
by roderickvd on Wed 9th May 2007 15:52 UTC
roderickvd
Member since:
2006-04-12

Pity that Gnome 2.18 didn't make it. Gentoo has to cope with issues of scale: it managed to be a distribution on the edge when there were few packages to be managed and checked, but now they know the meaning of dependency hell.

Otherwise a solid release that managed to convert even my non-technical girlfriend!

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Open Up...
by narflethegarthock on Wed 9th May 2007 20:05 UTC
narflethegarthock
Member since:
2007-05-09

And I'll give you some "Secret Sauce"...!!!

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