Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th May 2007 13:33 UTC, submitted by AdamW
KDE "k3b is one of the most important applications for many Linux users. The immensely popular and fully-featured CD/DVD writing application has been a mainstay of the standard Linux desktop since its early releases. Since last year, Sebastian Trüg, the initial author and present lead developer of k3b, has been employed by Mandriva both to work on k3b and to work on the Nepomuk desktop project. We asked Sebastian a few questions about k3b, Mandriva and Nepomuk."
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Viva k3b
by moleskine on Thu 10th May 2007 14:03 UTC
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2005-11-05

I guess we all have our own favourites, but for me k3b is one of the glories of desktop Linux, together with other applications like Amarok, Kontact and (in terms of their potential) KOffice, Basket and Ktorrent. The next guy would probably have a different list.

I've never tried Mandriva and I know nothing about Nepomuk. This brief interview makes me think I should try Mandriva. Kubuntu 7.04 has completely failed to install on my PC despite half a dozen attempts - the first distro in seven years to wipe my partitions and then fail at the starting gate with pitiful error messages - so it's time to try something new. Actually, maybe it's not "new" but a return to the solid core of what makes Linux great and has done for quite a few years now. For me that's KDE and distros like Mandriva, OpenSuSE and Debian. For you, it could be something quite different. Each to their own.

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RE: Viva k3b
by RandomGuy on Thu 10th May 2007 14:40 UTC in reply to "Viva k3b"
RandomGuy Member since:
2006-07-30

I'd only add Konqueror, Kate and Yakuake.
Hey, this could be the next thing to ask OSNews readers.
It's a little more technical and more likely to cause flamewars than movie-questions,
I'll admit that ;-)

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RE[2]: Viva k3b
by alcibiades on Thu 10th May 2007 14:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Viva k3b"
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

Kate (at the risk of groans from purists)

Tellico. Superb as collection manager, but in fact if you do a custom collection, its a general purpose flat file database.

Kjots - especially now the new version lets you do books within books.

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RE[3]: Viva k3b
by archiesteel on Thu 10th May 2007 15:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Viva k3b"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

I'll second the mention of Tellico. I use it for my DVD collection, and I love the little touches (retrieve info from IMBD/Amazon, loan manager, etc.). A very good little app.

My personal list: Amarok, k3B, Konqueror, DigiKam, Tellico, Kate and Kopete.

Edited 2007-05-10 15:41

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RE[4]: Viva k3b
by ebasconp on Thu 10th May 2007 19:45 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Viva k3b"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

+ Konversation
+ Kaffeine
+ Konsole

Edited 2007-05-10 19:48

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RE[5]: Viva k3b
by archiesteel on Thu 10th May 2007 19:49 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Viva k3b"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

I actually prefer Kmplayer to Kaffeine, personally - although they are both very good (and Kaffeine is the default app).

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RE[6]: Viva k3b
by superstoned on Thu 10th May 2007 20:56 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Viva k3b"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

Codeine! Codeine! ;)

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RE[2]: Viva k3b
by moleskine on Thu 10th May 2007 21:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Viva k3b"
moleskine Member since:
2005-11-05

Thanks for the tip. I re-burned the CD iso using different settings and it now works. Unfortunately, Kubuntu still won't fire up. There was the almost obligatory bugger-up with Grub, which I cleared using my SuSE DVD. After that Kubuntu refused to boot up properly after energetically trying to fsck an ntfs partition which it claimed was ext2. After that it got to a log-in screen of sorts but said that a failure with kconfigstart or something forbade further progress. Finally it seems to have taken one look at my widescreen monitor settings and given up the ghost, giving me a blank scrren with no access to ttys or anything else.

Well, that's another four hours of life wasted. I've binned the stuff and am going for Debian Unstable. IME, Kubuntu 7.04 alternative installation CD is Kompletely Useless and an utter waste of time. I wish folks would stop being so uncritically adulatory with this distro. If I add on the other probs I've had with earlier incarnations of K/Ubuntu, I'd say it was easily the least satisfactory Linux distro I've tried. Mod me down if you want, but it's time these folks were subject to the same scrutiny as any other distro. It's the only one I've had in seven years that I've simply not be able to install.

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RE[3]: Viva k3b
by DeadFishMan on Thu 10th May 2007 23:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Viva k3b"
DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

While my experience wasn´t THAT bad - I actually managed to get it installed fairly well and quickly - and the hardware detection was on par with other good distros as far as my machine is concerned, these are the only good things that I have to say about Kubuntu.

My biggest complaint with it still is how buggy their KDE is because of those endless unneeded patches. It is unbelievable! And then there are those small annoyances intended to please Windows users, such as double-click on the titlebar maximizes windows instead of rolling them up. I can understand them changing the single-click default of KDE to double-click to make it easy for Windows and GNOME users but the behavior of double-clicking on the titlebar immitating Windows is simply ridiculous!

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RE[4]: Viva k3b
by archiesteel on Fri 11th May 2007 14:19 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Viva k3b"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

I can understand them changing the single-click default of KDE to double-click to make it easy for Windows and GNOME users but the behavior of double-clicking on the titlebar immitating Windows is simply ridiculous!


As far as I can tell, it's still single-click for all icons in Kubuntu...

That said, this thread is *not* about K/Ubuntu at all, but about k3B and (arguably) Mandriva. Please stay on-topic.

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RE[3]: Viva k3b
by biteydog on Thu 10th May 2007 23:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Viva k3b"
biteydog Member since:
2005-10-06

I got Kubuntu installed fine, but on each boot another randomly chosen app would be broken, in one case even conveniently removing itself from the menus when it disappeared !? After about eight boots of diminishing usefulness it suddenly announced some incomprehensible drivel about the graphics card nvidia driver and refused to work. (The graphics card, and my other OS were fine)

I am a KDE fan of long standing (8yrs) and found this quite the worst implementation I have come across.

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RE[3]: Viva k3b
by archiesteel on Fri 11th May 2007 14:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Viva k3b"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

I wish folks would stop being so uncritically adulatory with this distro. If I add on the other probs I've had with earlier incarnations of K/Ubuntu, I'd say it was easily the least satisfactory Linux distro I've tried. Mod me down if you want, but it's time these folks were subject to the same scrutiny as any other distro. It's the only one I've had in seven years that I've simply not be able to install.


Well, perhaps the reason folks are so adulatory towards K/Ubuntu is that they *don't* have issues with installing it. :-)

I'm sorry you had problems, but don't judge an entire distro (and, most importantly, those who like it) because of the fact that it didn't work for you.

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RE[4]: Viva k3b
by moleskine on Fri 11th May 2007 17:32 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Viva k3b"
moleskine Member since:
2005-11-05

Well, perhaps the reason folks are so adulatory towards K/Ubuntu is that they *don't* have issues with installing it. :-)

I'm sorry you had problems, but don't judge an entire distro (and, most importantly, those who like it) because of the fact that it didn't work for you.


I said in the comment that this wasn't the first time I'd had issues with K/Ubuntu, so while I am judging it on my experience (besides, why the heck not?) I am also judging it on 3-4 iterations rather than one.

A glance through Ubuntu's forums will show that since it came onto the scene Ubuntu has suffered from just as many bugs and difficulties as any other distro. The difference lies in the simply absurd levels of hype that now accompany it. Ubuntu hasn't yet been credited with creating the world in seven days or making contact with alien civilizations but you'd be forgiven for thinking that's only a matter of time.

I don't happen to think the hype all that useful: eventually it will backfire as these things always do, not least when folks start to notice that Ubuntu isn't really doing anything that other distros don't do. The fallout will effect all of Linux and not just this one distro.

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RE[5]: Viva k3b
by archiesteel on Fri 11th May 2007 21:09 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Viva k3b"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

It's not as much hype as brand recognition. People aren't saying that K/Ubuntu is technically better than other distributions, but rather that it is more polished and newbie-friendly.

Ubuntu hasn't yet been credited with creating the world in seven days or making contact with alien civilizations but you'd be forgiven for thinking that's only a matter of time.


I don't think hyperbole is really useful in the context of this discussion. Honestly, I'm a Ubuntu user and I would never say it's the *best* distro, because such a thing doesn't exist, and you'd be hard-pressed to find any Ubuntu user that would make this claim either. In other words, folks *already* know ubuntu isn't really doing anything other distros don't do. After all, it's all Linux - as soon as one distro does something good, other distros usually follow suit. Similarly, it's quite normal that Ubuntu has had just as many bugs as other distros, because - as is most often the case, for any distro - the majority of bugs are upstream.

What Ubuntu does have, however, is name recognition and effective branding, and as inane as this may sound, that goes a very long way.

To bring this back on-topic (a little bit), I'll say that Mandriva (then Mandrake) was the first distro I tried, and as such it holds a special place in my heart. I'll give the new version a try, and maybe some day I'll even use it again as my regular OS. Ultimately, as I said earlier, it's all Linux, so it's not really relevant *what* distro you run.

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RE[6]: Viva k3b
by AdamW on Sat 12th May 2007 00:28 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Viva k3b"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"Honestly, I'm a Ubuntu user and I would never say it's the *best* distro, because such a thing doesn't exist, and you'd be hard-pressed to find any Ubuntu user that would make this claim either."

erm...

this is not true. ;)

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RE[7]: Viva k3b
by archiesteel on Sat 12th May 2007 16:30 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Viva k3b"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Well, okay, I'm sure you could find a few...there are fanboys everywhere, after all! :-) I guess I'm trying make a distinction between emotional attachment and an rational appraisal of a distro's good and bad points.

What I meant to say is that, while people will have personal preferences, and for them Ubuntu may be the best distro, in the end it's often very subjective, and I think that's understood among many (if not most) people. There are things I don't like as much about Ubuntu, but overall I still like the distro. I could say the exact same about Mandriva, incidentally.

That's why to me it's all Linux in the end. I realize that others may be more passionate, however...

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RE: Viva k3b
by Punktyras on Thu 10th May 2007 14:44 UTC in reply to "Viva k3b"
Punktyras Member since:
2006-01-07

Have you md5sum'ed .iso image?

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RE: Viva k3b
by Isolationist on Thu 10th May 2007 15:12 UTC in reply to "Viva k3b"
Isolationist Member since:
2006-05-28

For me, I would also add Konversation, Kopete, and digiKam.

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RE: Viva k3b
by nathbeadle on Thu 10th May 2007 15:14 UTC in reply to "Viva k3b"
nathbeadle Member since:
2006-08-08

The one thing different you'll notice about Mandriva compared to Kubuntu is that you must sign up as a member to receive OS updates, which requires money. Not sure which distro you use, but the Debian strand provides all OS updates free. This was my reason for switching to Kubuntu. I didn't mind Mandriva, but just didn't want to plop down the money for OS updates. Besides that it has some good stuff going for it!

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RE[2]: Viva k3b
by Flatline on Thu 10th May 2007 15:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Viva k3b"
Flatline Member since:
2006-03-06

Actually, when I tried out the latest release, I was pleasantly surprised to find that this is no longer the case. You still have to register to receive updates and update notifications, but there is no cost involved.

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RE[3]: Viva k3b
by AdamW on Thu 10th May 2007 17:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Viva k3b"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

You don't even need to register. Update notifications and updates work without any kind of registration.

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RE[2]: Viva k3b
by AnthonyBrooks on Thu 10th May 2007 15:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Viva k3b"
AnthonyBrooks Member since:
2005-07-06

The one thing different you'll notice about Mandriva compared to Kubuntu is that you must sign up as a member to receive OS updates, which requires money. Not sure which distro you use, but the Debian strand provides all OS updates free. This was my reason for switching to Kubuntu. I didn't mind Mandriva, but just didn't want to plop down the money for OS updates. Besides that it has some good stuff going for it!

That is not true. They offer a club membership that offer some things but you do not need to join to get updates. Man at least get your facts straight.

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RE[2]: Viva k3b
by butters on Thu 10th May 2007 16:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Viva k3b"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

Only Mandriva users understand how that community works. I'm sure it's not as bad as some suggest, and that it mostly falls into the category of nagware (required free registration) rather than having to pay for fixes (which is unfathomable for any OS).

The problem is that Mandriva/Mandrake has been redefining their business model and community strategy for years, and the message has gotten a bit muddy. Other communities such as Ubuntu, Fedora, and openSUSE have focused on sending a clear and friendly message to the community. Nobody is confused about whether you have to pay to get updates for any of these distributions. None of these distributions offer an array of 5 different release versions, requiring you to think about how much you're willing to pay and what premium features you really need.

Hey, I'm all for exploring ways to monetize free software, but I'm not at all convinced that Mandriva's strategy is working. They need to start sending a clear message that resonates with the community. I think they need to focus on marketing premium services rather than premium software. At the very least, they should make it really easy to do a paid upgrade from the community version to the premium version over the network. When I think of Mandriva, I remember the days of shrink-wrap software, and that's not a good association to have these days.

It's a perception problem, not a technology problem, which is unfortunate for Mandriva since perceptions are much harder to change.

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RE[3]: Viva k3b
by AdamW on Thu 10th May 2007 17:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Viva k3b"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

There is no 'required free registration'. You can run Mandriva Linux Free or One with no registration of any kind whatsoever, and registering is not needed to use any feature of the system.

The only 'required free registration' I can think of, actually, is to use the forums, and that's fairly normal =)

I agree that the message did become a little muddy after the introduction of the Mandriva Club, but I don't think having both free and commercial editions is really a problem. We've been doing it all along and it seems a fairly simple thing to understand. What people mostly got confused about is the role of the Club in terms of things like updates, and that's something we're trying to set straight.

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RE[4]: Viva k3b: change perception ? may be with this:
by glyj on Thu 10th May 2007 21:32 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Viva k3b"
glyj Member since:
2007-04-06

May be that message on the Cooker mailing list could change the perception, from the CEO, David Barth:

«

Hi all,

2007 Spring is now released for a few weeks. 2007 Spring is probably one
of the best Mandriva Linux release in years and I want to thank all the
teams, and also particularly all the cooker contributors, who have
worked for long months on this project.

The distribution is solid and has greatly benefited from the additional
2 weeks of tests we put into polishing the result. And it shows: reviews
are good and sales are solid.

We are now taking a short break before the next run: Mandriva Linux
2008. But during this break, we are making several changes in
preparation for the next release.

First, I'm reorganizing the teams in the Engineering, promoting Anne
Nicolas as Engineering Director. Anne was previously leading the
Corporate team. She brings not only strong professionalism, but also a
clear community minded approach. She will involve all the engineers in
the Brazilian team, who can now play a central role in building the
distribution. She will be in charge of the development of all the
Mandriva Linux releases.

Second, Anne is working with the teams to draft the technical roadmap
for the 2008 release. This roadmap will also contain a set of guidelines
for contributors work. This is the starting point for discussing and
adopting requirements expressed by the Cooker community.

Third, Anne will organize the work and enhance the Mandriva policy for
contributors.

Mandriva is proud and honored to have one of the oldest free software
community for distribution editors, one of the largest and one of the
most open, with key contributors working on many of the core modules of
the relese. Anne will ensure that this ecosystem continues to grow,
opens even more, and also that interactions are better formalized
without breaking the fun in the game Wink

On this occasion, I'm proposing a further step and wish that the next
Free Software version of Mandriva Linux be made directly by a member of
the community.

Last, build platform improvements will also be resumed now that the
release is out. Phase 1 was about stabilizing things, so let's head for
Phase 2 and implement some much needed changes!


Thanks for reading so far. Thanks for your support of Mandriva Linux,
and... Vive le Printemps!
--
dbarth
»

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RE[2]: Viva k3b
by AdamW on Thu 10th May 2007 17:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Viva k3b"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

This is not true. You do not need to register anywhere or pay any money to receive updates. With releases prior to 2007 Spring, you did have to pay to use Mandriva Online, the update *notification* system (the applet that lives on the panel and tells you when updates are available), but you could always install updates for free with no registration using MandrivaUpdate. With 2007 Spring, even Mandriva Online works with no payment and no registration.

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RE[3]: Viva k3b
by nathbeadle on Thu 10th May 2007 17:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Viva k3b"
nathbeadle Member since:
2006-08-08

Great to hear!! I used Mandriva even back in the Mandrake days, but as a Comp Sci student I just didn't have the money for things back then hence my switch. I'm really glad to hear things have changed and have become more accessible. Thanks for the update!

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RE[4]: Viva k3b
by AdamW on Thu 10th May 2007 19:00 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Viva k3b"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

just for the record, we've _never_ charged for updates or restricted them to Club members or anything like that. updates have always been freely available, right from the first release in 1998 through to now.

the most restricted things ever got as far as the Club is concerned was that, for a few releases, Club members got new releases around a month before the public. We stopped doing that with 2007.

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RE: Viva k3b
by l3v1 on Fri 11th May 2007 07:05 UTC in reply to "Viva k3b"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

Wow, others have added cool apps above, I'd add Kile (a LaTeX editor), I'd die in pain without it ;) )

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RE: Viva k3b
by dylansmrjones on Sat 12th May 2007 17:25 UTC in reply to "Viva k3b"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

I'd go for qBittorrent instead af Ktorrent. qBittorrent used QT4.2 and with the Cleanlooks theme it's the best bittorrent client for Gnome ;) (Did I write what I think I wrote?)

What I admire in KDE/QT (looking at it as a Gnome user) is the enormous array of high quality applications based on KDE (or just QT in some cases). k3b, Scribus, qcad, qBittorrent, Kate, Kontact, KOffice. The slickness of these applications is... well... wauuuw. My Gnome installation has become half KDE4 - if you count QT4 applications that is ;)

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RE[2]: Viva k3b
by AdamW on Mon 14th May 2007 21:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Viva k3b"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

Have you seen Transmission? GTK+ Bittorrent client (well, it started out for OS X actually, but it has a native GTK+ version now), best client I've ever used.

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Gnome user guilty of using k3b
by h3rman on Thu 10th May 2007 14:08 UTC
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Member since:
2006-08-09

K3B is the reason I have the kdelibs on my system. ;)

I don't think I am the only one either.

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RE: Gnome user guilty of using k3b
by bedo on Thu 10th May 2007 18:32 UTC in reply to "Gnome user guilty of using k3b"
bedo Member since:
2006-01-03

k3b is one of the reasons I switched to KDE some years ago. I was so happy to get a robust cd burning app on linux, I even donated to k3b website that time.

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bosco_bearbank Member since:
2005-10-12

K3B is the reason I have the kdelibs on my system. ;)

I don't think I am the only one either.


You're not the only one.

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Interesting Short Interview
by Hands on Thu 10th May 2007 14:57 UTC
Hands
Member since:
2005-06-30

K3B has long been one of those applications where I have felt that a free open source offering is better than any free or low-cost option on any system. It is definitely better than Nero Express, and I have seen areas where it is better than the full version of Roxio. Others may disagree, but if K3B were available on all platforms, I wouldn't use anything else.

I found it very interesting that Trug worked on a PhD in AI. I don't know much about Nepomuk, but from the description he gave, it sounded like some experience in AI would be quite beneficial to development. It certainly sounds like Nepomuk could be very helpful. I'll just have to wait and see if it lives up to its potential or if other projects become more successful.

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RE: Interesting Short Interview
by superstoned on Thu 10th May 2007 20:57 UTC in reply to "Interesting Short Interview"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

the good news than is that the KDE 4 version of K3B might very well be ported to Windows and Mac OS X.

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Misspelling
by cromo on Thu 10th May 2007 14:58 UTC
cromo
Member since:
2006-06-17

His name is Sebastian TruEg, not Trug

Edited 2007-05-10 14:58

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RE: Misspelling
by archiesteel on Thu 10th May 2007 15:46 UTC in reply to "Misspelling"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Actually, in the blurb it's spelled Trüg, which is the same thing as Trueg (in German, an umlaut above a voyel is the same as putting an "e" after it). However, you are correct in stating that the title is mispelled (i.e. no umlaut on the u and no e after).

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RE[2]: Misspelling
by cromo on Thu 10th May 2007 16:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Misspelling"
cromo Member since:
2006-06-17

Uhm, I din't know about that. Sebastian himself on k3b website spells his surname as Trueg and that's why I assumed the title is incorrent. Which in fact is incorrect, as you confirmed ;-).

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RE[2]: Misspelling
by AdamW on Thu 10th May 2007 17:14 UTC in reply to "Misspelling"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

It had an umlaut when I submitted it ;) I guess OS News' software has a limitation with titles.

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K3B Kicks Ass
by segedunum on Thu 10th May 2007 15:30 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

Of all the applications around, K3B is really the one that stands out in terms of "can't do without out". It's the primary reason why Nero hasn't got a snowball in hell's chance on desktop Linux - it has less features than K3B, is actually less straightforward (now that I go back to the Windows version), looks worse and has far less integration with surrounding components.

Goodness, K3B is supposed to burn discs, but it is the first CD ripper I feel that is actually easy to use, and has straightforward but powerful options to rip as you like.

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RE: K3B Kicks Ass
by anda_skoa on Thu 10th May 2007 15:45 UTC in reply to "K3B Kicks Ass"
anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

It's the primary reason why Nero hasn't got a snowball in hell's chance on desktop Linux...


Actually I think the primary reason Nero hasn't a change on desktop Linux is the fact that it "isn't" Nero, i.e. the Linux version is just a shadow of the Windows version.

Nero is one of the products where a feature set is almost identical to the name, i.e. people associate the feature set with the product's name.

Since Nero for Linux fails to deliver this feature set, people who have bought it feel ripped off.

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RE[2]: K3B Kicks Ass
by sukru on Thu 10th May 2007 19:57 UTC in reply to "RE: K3B Kicks Ass"
sukru Member since:
2006-11-19


Actually I think the primary reason Nero hasn't a change on desktop Linux is the fact that it "isn't" Nero, i.e. the Linux version is just a shadow of the Windows version.


I'd suggest you try Nero 3 Beta version. While K3B still has better ground on Linux, Nero is no longer a "mere shadow". They've replicated the Nero 6 interface with almost all the feature available on Windows. (And this time it uses GTK+2).

You can check the screenshots or downloads at http://www.nero.com/eng/NeroLinux3Beta.html .

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RE[3]: K3B Kicks Ass
by anda_skoa on Thu 10th May 2007 21:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: K3B Kicks Ass"
anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

While K3B still has better ground on Linux, Nero is no longer a "mere shadow". They've replicated the Nero 6 interface with almost all the feature available on Windows


Nice. This upcoming version might have a chance then.

However, trying to enter a new market with an inferior product, i.e. the earlier version of Nero for Linux, has damaged the name considerably. They might still be able to overcome this, though.

Unfortunately the page about feature just list burning capabilities, no word about DVD authoring and things like that.
While this part of the Nero feature set might be included in the item about DVD video burning, I am a bit afraid that even this new Linux version will not be able to do it like the Windows version is.

(And this time it uses GTK+2).


How they could ever release a version based on GTK 1 when virtually nobody had it left installed, is a big mistery to me.
Most likely the person who provided their Linux information was one of the "consultant" type people, i.e. those who are excellent in presentations but have little actual technical background.

Anyway, nice that they have finally arrived at a level where they can compete on this new market. Hopefully this additional competition will make it easier for content authoring projects to attract new developers as well.

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RE[3]: K3B Kicks Ass
by segedunum on Thu 10th May 2007 21:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: K3B Kicks Ass"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I'd suggest you try Nero 3 Beta version. While K3B still has better ground on Linux, Nero is no longer a "mere shadow". They've replicated the Nero 6 interface with almost all the feature available on Windows. (And this time it uses GTK+2).

Too little, too late I'm afraid. K3B is freely available, integrates with a lot of surrounding freely available open source components and is shipped with every Linux distribution there is. It also has a fair bit of functionality Nero doesn't.

Nero are also promising HD-DVD and BluRay burning at a time when few people are using them in order to try and give themselves an edge.

(And this time it uses GTK+2).

Good for them, but K3B looked fantastic before Nero on Linux ever did. Better interface as well.

Edited 2007-05-10 22:03

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RE[3]: K3B Kicks Ass
by kaiwai on Thu 10th May 2007 23:48 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: K3B Kicks Ass"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

'd suggest you try Nero 3 Beta version. While K3B still has better ground on Linux, Nero is no longer a "mere shadow". They've replicated the Nero 6 interface with almost all the feature available on Windows. (And this time it uses GTK+2).


No, if you read the post again, he wants all the functionality included with the Nero kit - Nero is no longer just a cd burning application, it includes encoders and the likes - what about an AAC encoder? AudioCoding has abandoned FAAC/FAAD leaving people like me high and dry - why doesn't Nero make their Windows AAC encoder available for Linux?

It is the fact that they're not making available their WHOLE Nero product to Linux - just the burner; the burner by itself holds no value in the Linux world - K3B does it all, and for free - the value for Nero would come when they provide their whole Windows kit for Linux - thats when they can start demanding the price they want.

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RE[4]: K3B Kicks Ass
by Soulbender on Fri 11th May 2007 03:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: K3B Kicks Ass"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"It is the fact that they're not making available their WHOLE Nero product to Linux"

You know, I'm thinking that's a good thing considering all the total junk applications that Nero on Windows comes with. Nero Scout? Who needs that?

"K3B does it all, and for free"

Thankfully it doesn't do everything that Nero does.

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RE[5]: K3B Kicks Ass
by kaiwai on Fri 11th May 2007 05:37 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: K3B Kicks Ass"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

You know, I'm thinking that's a good thing considering all the total junk applications that Nero on Windows comes with. Nero Scout? Who needs that?


Yeap, one terrible application - you're going to judge a whole suite on one application - should I make a review of Linux based on the fact that it might include emacs? the worlds worse editor?

Thankfully it doesn't do everything that Nero does.


Such as? What is K3B lacking what Nero provides? make a statement, back it up with evidence.

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RE[6]: K3B Kicks Ass
by glyj on Fri 11th May 2007 06:11 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: K3B Kicks Ass"
glyj Member since:
2007-04-06

if something is missing, you have mandvd (stands for Mandrake DVD ? )

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RE[6]: K3B Kicks Ass
by Soulbender on Fri 11th May 2007 06:53 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: K3B Kicks Ass"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"Yeap, one terrible application - you're going to judge a whole suite on one application"

It's called "an example". There's a lot more crap in the Nero "suite" or whatever it is called today. Nero Photo (or whatever it is called) anyone?

"should I make a review of Linux based on the fact that it might include emacs? the worlds worse editor? "

Oh come on, that's an entirely different matter and you know it.

"Such as? What is K3B lacking what Nero provides?"

Well, it lacks the aforementioned Nero Scout and all the other more or less useless apps Nero comes with.
It's a good thing that K3B "lack" these "features" of Nero, btw.
As for the core feature of actually burning media I can't recall any usefull feature Nero has the K3B doesn't.

Edited 2007-05-11 06:56

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RE[3]: K3B Kicks Ass
by melkor on Fri 11th May 2007 03:32 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: K3B Kicks Ass"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

Nero? I could say what I think about Nero, and it wouldn't be pretty. It has to have one of the worst UI's of ANY application that I've EVER used. EVER. K3B absolutely shits on it, and if KDE/Sebastian ports this baby to Windows, you can kiss Roxio and Nero goodbye (or should that be goodbuy!).

Dave

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RE[4]: K3B Kicks Ass
by shapeshifter on Fri 11th May 2007 09:53 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: K3B Kicks Ass"
shapeshifter Member since:
2006-09-19

Nero? I could say what I think about Nero, and it wouldn't be pretty. It has to have one of the worst UI's of ANY application that I've EVER used. EVER. K3B absolutely shits on it, and if KDE/Sebastian ports this baby to Windows, you can kiss Roxio and Nero goodbye (or should that be goodbuy!).

Dave


Well, then you haven't used Linux very long.
Gtk1 may be old and look ugly but for the longest time it was faster and more reliable than Gtk2.
Many Linux apps took their time to fully port into Gtk2 and for a good reason.
And K3B took a long time to stabilize too.
It had serious bugs in many releases.
I grew tired of the constant update race to fix this and that.
And for the longest time it would not honor the chosen write speed.
Worse, the developer gave some lame excuse why a user's chosen write speed is ignored.
And K3B would not save ISO image, how ridiculous is that?
I don't know if it has that functionality now but I found that annoying as hell.
Obviously the developer's experience and coding skill has grown over the years and it shows, K3B has matured and is now fairly reliable.
Although for basic burning tasks I find Nero just fine and actually prefer it to K3B which depends on KDE.
On older machines that don't have KDE or Qt installed that functionality is nice to have.
The major point against Nero is that they're kind of late with their Nero for Linux offering.
But they still deserve some credit for at least trying.
I don't see Adobe porting Photoshop or any other major Windows apps coming to Linux.
Also $20 to license it is quite reasonable I think.
And with this new Nero version looking and working like the Windows version I am sure most Windows converts will prefer it to the rather different and sometime confusing K3B interface layout.
So I wouldn't write Nero off just yet.

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RE[5]: K3B Kicks Ass
by melkor on Fri 11th May 2007 13:52 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: K3B Kicks Ass"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

Umm, I've been using Linux on and off since 1997...probably longer than you. I used Linux as my sole desktop from 2002-2006, only switching back to Windows XP for Photoshop CS2 (and yes, I hate using Photoshop).

During my time of using K3B, I never had a single showstopper issue, it's worked fine for a long, long time.

I think you'll see Photoshop come to Linux within the next 3-5 years, it's only a matter of time. As to $20, why would I pay that, when I can use K3B for free (both price and freedom)?

Nero is just dreadful with its UI, one of the very worst applications I've seen in a long, long, long time. And I'm being very polite here.

As to GTK/GTK2, I find GTK based applications ugly. I much prefer QT.

Dave

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RE[6]: K3B Kicks Ass
by melkor on Sat 12th May 2007 14:52 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: K3B Kicks Ass"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

Oops, I meant I hate using Microsoft Windows. Love using Photoshop.

Mods, can you delete the other duplicate post? Stupid connection was mucking up when I tried to post and it duplicated somehow...

Direct link to other post here:

http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=17885&comment_id=239331

Thanks.

Dave

Reply Score: 1

RE[5]: K3B Kicks Ass
by melkor on Fri 11th May 2007 13:55 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: K3B Kicks Ass"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

Umm, I've been using Linux on and off since 1997...probably longer than you. I used Linux as my sole desktop from 2002-2006, only switching back to Windows XP for Photoshop CS2 (and yes, I hate using Photoshop).

During my time of using K3B, I never had a single showstopper issue, it's worked fine for a long, long time.

I think you'll see Photoshop come to Linux within the next 3-5 years, it's only a matter of time. As to $20, why would I pay that, when I can use K3B for free (both price and freedom)?

Nero is just dreadful with its UI, one of the very worst applications I've seen in a long, long, long time. And I'm being very polite here.

As to GTK/GTK2, I find GTK based applications ugly. I much prefer QT.

Dave

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RE[6]: K3B Kicks Ass
by superstoned on Wed 16th May 2007 12:46 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: K3B Kicks Ass"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

yeah, never had serious trouble with K3B either. It mostly managed to impress me, actually. Lately, for example, i plugged in a usb cd burner, expecting to do some configuration, etcetera - but it just popped up in k3b, and the 'burn' button turned from gray to color, and it just worked. Great job, imho...

Reply Score: 2

meh
by _df_ on Thu 10th May 2007 15:34 UTC
_df_
Member since:
2005-07-06

i never understood why everyone got so WOW over k3b, its just a shell that calls a bunch of tools.

Reply Score: 5

RE: meh
by archiesteel on Thu 10th May 2007 15:47 UTC in reply to "meh"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

That's because the shell is very well done, and makes all those tools very easy to use. *That's* the wow...

Reply Score: 5

RE: meh
by fretinator on Thu 10th May 2007 16:07 UTC in reply to "meh"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

i never understood why everyone got so WOW over k3b, its just a shell that calls a bunch of tools.


You've just described every well-written graphical program ever made. In fact, this is a very good summation of the whole Unix philosophy.

Well done!

[EDIT: Spelling]

Edited 2007-05-10 16:08

Reply Score: 5

v k3b owes its existance...
by Googol on Thu 10th May 2007 15:53 UTC
RE: k3b owes its existance...
by biteydog on Sat 12th May 2007 09:50 UTC in reply to "k3b owes its existance..."
biteydog Member since:
2005-10-06

to Nero? Which owes its existence to the Adaptec CD burner (which was around before Nero), which owes its existence to...........

Actually the K3b interface is based far more on the Adaptec one, instead of the (horrible) Nero one.

Reply Score: 1

Excuse my ignorance,
by Laurence on Thu 10th May 2007 16:55 UTC
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

But is k3b a Mandrave specific program?
I'm a Slackware user (or was until the HDD failed on my Linux machine) and never notice this application in the default ISOs. Is it just a case that I wasn't looking hard enough?

Reply Score: 1

RE: Excuse my ignorance,
by xultz on Thu 10th May 2007 17:03 UTC in reply to "Excuse my ignorance,"
xultz Member since:
2006-05-09

Of course not, K3B is a free software like any other GPL´d. The only difference is that the K3B author works for Mandriva.
As a Slck user, you know the routine, download the sources and compile it. K3B can be found in many distros.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Excuse my ignorance,
by SlackerJack on Fri 11th May 2007 03:35 UTC in reply to "Excuse my ignorance,"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

For your information K3b is in /extra on the Slackware CD, so no you was not looking hard enough.

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: Excuse my ignorance,
by Laurence on Fri 11th May 2007 10:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Excuse my ignorance,"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"

For your information K3b is in /extra on the Slackware CD, so no you was not looking hard enough.
"

More the case of not looking at all.
Sadly I don't get enough free time to explore the excellent collection of extra's slack has to offer.

However, now I know where to find it (and now i've got a new HDD for my linux desktop) i'll have an install and play tonight.

thank you

Reply Score: 1

RE: Excuse my ignorance,
by gavin.mccord on Sat 12th May 2007 13:55 UTC in reply to "Excuse my ignorance,"
gavin.mccord Member since:
2005-09-07

You'll find k3b in the "extra" folder on recent Slackware releases.

Reply Score: 1

I'll fall in line
by parentaladvisory on Thu 10th May 2007 17:17 UTC
parentaladvisory
Member since:
2006-12-18

with others, and express my "WOW" for k3b:) it's an amazing piece of shell, as someone described it:)

For slackware users, Im pretty sure k3b can be downloaded in .tgz format from linuxpackages.org.

Together with Konqueror, Kaffeine, Konversation, it makes my KDE desktop "Komplete"(along with a bunch of non-kde apps tho:)).

Reply Score: 2

RE: I'll fall in line
by fretinator on Thu 10th May 2007 18:45 UTC in reply to "I'll fall in line"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

Together with Konqueror, Kaffeine, Konversation, it makes my KDE desktop "Komplete"(along with a bunch of non-kde apps tho:)).


Personally, I like Kirefox, Kevolution and Kautilus also!

Reply Score: 1

the music i listen to while i drive my car
by anyweb on Thu 10th May 2007 19:48 UTC
anyweb
Member since:
2005-07-06

was burned in k3b on Fedora Core release 6 running Gnome.

k3b is a great package and when I'm in windows land, and a cd is finished burning via roxio or whatever, i sorta miss that 'du du de du do da da' trumpet that squeaks at you when k3b finishes its work !

heh

cheers
anyweb

ps. did you know that you can verify md5sums in k3b?

http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2342

Reply Score: 1

Mandrake
by PlatformAgnostic on Fri 11th May 2007 00:02 UTC
PlatformAgnostic
Member since:
2006-01-02

I spent a fair amount of time using Bochs this semester and I debugged into its code to find out why my OS wasn't working. I noticed that many of the core parts of the software were written by a Mandrake guy. Bochs is an awesome project, and I really like Mandrake after seeing that they were behind it.

Mandrake+KDE, FTW!

Reply Score: 2

But kio-slaves is garbage....
by nighty5 on Fri 11th May 2007 07:20 UTC
nighty5
Member since:
2005-12-18

I love k3b, but I when I installed a fresh copy of Kubuntu Feisty, I noticed the following:

1) You can't simply burn an ISO image using a SMB share that you browse using the network browsing. You sure can select the image, but when it comes to actually burn it, it comes up with a message: file not found. This is because the SMB share isn't actually mounted, however k3b gives you the option to select the file and burn it. That's a bug.

2) When you select a media file over SMB to open, it copies the entire file before prceeding to open it!


I think these problems go away when you actually mount the drive (smbmount) but what's the point of having kio-slaves give you the option to browse the files, but not have full access to the files?

Reply Score: 2

RE: But kio-slaves is garbage....
by m_abs on Fri 11th May 2007 11:56 UTC in reply to "But kio-slaves is garbage...."
m_abs Member since:
2005-07-06

This is not the place to report bugs, http://bugs.kde.org/

Reply Score: 4

RE: But kio-slaves is garbage....
by diegoviola on Fri 11th May 2007 20:31 UTC in reply to "But kio-slaves is garbage...."
diegoviola Member since:
2006-08-15

same thing happens when you drag a movie file and you drop it into VLC, it wont open unless you mount the device over the network

Reply Score: 1

superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

apparently smb doesn't work as it should. Luckily, they're working very hard on the KIOslaves for KDE 4, so it's very well possible this'll be fixed or at least improved.

Reply Score: 2

k3b "just works"
by REMF on Fri 11th May 2007 11:04 UTC
REMF
Member since:
2006-02-05

what more could i ask for. ;)

alongside kontact, digikam, amarok and others i have a near perfect desktop.

Reply Score: 2

cdrtools
by whendrik on Fri 11th May 2007 11:40 UTC
whendrik
Member since:
2006-12-16

Am i the only one who thinks k3b is just another sucku sucky KDE frontend?

Reply Score: 1

RE: cdrtools
by renox on Fri 11th May 2007 12:59 UTC in reply to "cdrtools"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, many people seems to like K3B so it must not suck so much.
Sure, this is a frontend, but apparently a well made one, which as shown by the reaction is unfortunately not so frequent..

Reply Score: 4

RE: cdrtools
by m_abs on Sat 12th May 2007 14:52 UTC in reply to "cdrtools"
m_abs Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, you are.

It's much better for the "normal" user to use a well designed frontend for a task over a complicated commandline tool.

Reply Score: 1

What K3B is so good at
by Ben Jao Ming on Fri 11th May 2007 13:10 UTC
Ben Jao Ming
Member since:
2005-07-26

I have always used K3B, although I try not to use QT in my GTK environment. But K3b does everything! I have never seen a program invoke so many tools without making any weird errors. And I have never seen error messages and log output so useful before.

People say that KDE programs have too many options, but with a program like K3b, options are exactly what you want, and they are integrated in a very non-annoying way.

Cheers to this program!

Reply Score: 5

RE: What K3B is so good at
by superstoned on Wed 16th May 2007 12:57 UTC in reply to "What K3B is so good at"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

well, Sebastian is an excellent hacker, and he has spend serious time working out the kinks. CD burning is no easy thing, and K3b does a great job... Like most KDE apps, it's years ahead of the competition.

Reply Score: 2