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To fill Bill Gates shoes is be a very good salesman, I dont know about anyone else but thats all I've ever seen him as.

I think he was a visionary back in the day and saw a market to dominate when most people were barely paying attention.

These days I'm not so sure. He is soon to leave MS anyway.

To me he's got nothing on Steve Jobs, at least he demonstrates his own products by using them.

Kinda like me saying that Steve Jobs has nothing on bill gates because at least bill gates used to program MS software.

Both men seem to be serious movers in the industry.

These days I'm not so sure. He is soon to leave MS anyway.

Gates's time has come and gone -- which is the natural way of things in this industry. He brilliantly predicted that licensing DOS & Windows to OEMs was the future. Further, he made significant investments in building the Office productivity business -- coming up from behind and winning, despite the fact that Office never had the power of monopoly that his OSes enjoy. For Gates and Ballmer, it's still all about "Windows, Windows, Windows"; that is, leveraging the operating system to promote their platform and provide tight integration with Office apps.

That said, I don't think that Gates and Ballmer have a very good understanding of the new reality of the industry. They're continually trying to leverage the same old model that worked with office & Windows -- even though it hasn't yielded much success. What is needed at Microsoft is a change in leadership -- more visionary and less tied to the past.

Really? Tight integration with Office Apps? Where? Even something as simple as just the user interface is completely different. It's as if the people who program Office and the ones who program Windows don't even talk to each other.

In which case from what I've read from different programmer's blogs, that is very true.

Gates has ever been only the shrewd businessman.

Now you want to talk about someone who is innovative and intelligent, talk about Steve Wozniak. Too bad he's more or less left the computer industry.

"To me he's got nothing on Steve Jobs"
Except for being financially more successful?

"at least he demonstrates his own products by using them."
So what? It's not like Jobs actually design or build the products.

Not in the least. He joined MS as a VP of sales back in the 80's, and has always been aligned with the sales arm of MS. Read his wiki for more info.

Disregard if you were being sarcastic.

"Is he not a technical guy?"

I really hope you're being sarcastic.