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I noticed that they are attempting to port NetBSD to the Xbox.
Isn't porting to a last generation console a lost cause?
Who uses the original Xbox these days? Its all about the Xbox 360 these days. I still have one but rarely use it.
The Xbox 360 is unfortunatly locked down, making booting another OS impossible unless an exploit is found.
Who uses the original Xbox these days?
Me. I love my xbox. I just recently purchased GTA: San Andreas for cheap and I've been playing it all week. Prior to that its Tony Hawk's Underground or Knights of the Old Republic II. And since the 360 came out I've noticed a drop in price on original xbox games. I also have the dvd remote to allow me to watch movies on it. This xbox has served me very well and I plan to keep using it. I haven't modded it yet, and I really don't know if I want to. I don't know what advantages it will offer me.
XBMC, nuff said
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBMC
I don't follow NetBSD's development, but I always wonder why don't they just focus on making the best server OS instead of fighting in many fronts.
I mean, if they have limited resources (as it seems they have), why try to make it a desktop OS too? That requires many resources, and still they can't really compete with Windows, OS X or Linux. Not even with FreBSD. Probably not even with Solaris in the near future.
So wouldn't it be worth to just drop X completely (and all X apps), wireless chips support, laptop support or any non-server hardware/architecture and just focus on a server oriented OS, with security, reliability, performance and features that can match the best in this field? Yes, I know it's already a very good server OS, but it has a very low market share. If they'd put all their efforts into the server, maybe they could compete with Red Hat, Windows or Solaris in that field.
On the desktop it's a lost fight, IMHO.
So wouldn't it be worth to just drop X completely (and all X apps), wireless chips support, laptop support or any non-server hardware/architecture and just focus on a server oriented OS, with security, reliability, performance and features that can match the best in this field? Yes, I know it's already a very good server OS, but it has a very low market share. If they'd put all their efforts into the server, maybe they could compete with Red Hat, Windows or Solaris in that field.
On the desktop it's a lost fight, IMHO.
I think that one easy answer is that the people who do the development are scratching their own itch--they use laptops and X and wireless themselves. OpenBSD supports the same things for the same reason.
Also, I am not so sure a fight is being fought. The people using NetBSD have their reasons, and I don't think they are looking for converts. As long as the users are satisfied, I would say that the project is successful.
Finally, I think it is pretty clear that a project needs serious corporate backing to be successful in the way you suggest. The big companies which needed an OS to fight their competitors with have already jumped on the Linux bandwagon. BSD has been more successful embedded inside of hardware, like EqualLogic and NetApp storage arrays.
They would lose even more users then. I use netbsd for a "laptop" and i love it. they don't just support x, wireless, and laptop support on 1 arch. they support on a bunch of them. which is why i love it. it allows me to use the same os i do on my desktop on my old win ce tablet. with pretty much all the same apps.
>On the desktop it's a lost fight, IMHO.
Against PR it's always a lost fight and the term "ready for desktop" is just PR.
>but I always wonder why don't they just focus on making the best server OS instead of fighting in many fronts.
Because it's nonsense, they have their market share, foremost in Japan, especially as firmware for different devices.
>and still they can't really compete with Windows, OS X or Linux. Not even with FreBSD
They don't try it. Linux tries, *BSD stands just for very good UNIX-derivatives. Lot of people don't even care about this couture-OS MacOS and the shiny bluescreen Windows.
>maybe they could compete with Red Hat, Windows or Solaris in that field.
You should have a look at netcraft, look for BSD.
>On the desktop it's a lost fight, IMHO.
It will be a lost fight for every free OS, because they can only compete with quality against lies. And lies are the world of the commercial systems.
If you are really interested, you should go and read the mailing lists of the project. It's pretty clear why they don't drop support for such things.
NetBSD is not an big company, an enterprise which should focus on one thing or another. Linux isn't too, altought the money of some companies makes some people think Linux has a focus. This is open source (free software if you want) and if people think something should be done, it will be done.
I'm very pleased to see the announcement about www/nspluginwrapper which allows Flash to work with NetBSD native browsers. I've been running NetBSD on one of my desktop machines for a while and the inability to view Flash content has been my biggest complaint.
(Although it's been convenient to not see flash advertisements.)
What is it with all these people going like "Why does system X even bother with the desktop?"
I mean, most open source systems are *nix, thus things like X11 and whatever else from the *nix world can just run fine on them.
Driver support? Big frickin' deal, if your license is BSD compatible... (Guess where I'm suggesting to get the bits from.)
I'm running OpenSolaris, people ask whether I'm nuts. All of my hardware is supported with their hardware acceleration features, I'm running Gnome 2.18 on X11 and all sort of applications, all without a hitch. I don't see a problem here. But hey, I however get native ZFS and Dtrace.



