Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 7th Jun 2007 16:22 UTC, submitted by lqsh
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "Welcome to Gutsy Gibbon Tribe 1 [screenshots], which will in time become Ubuntu 7.10. Tribe 1 is the first in a series of milestone CD images that will be released throughout the Gutsy development cycle. The primary changes from Feisty have been the re-merging of changes from Debian. Common to all variants, we have upgraded the kernel to 2.6.22." On a related note, Ubuntu has released more details on its version for mobile devices.
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by netpython on Thu 7th Jun 2007 17:35 UTC
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I hope they will include gcc 4.2 too:-)

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Kubuntu Changelog
by fignew on Thu 7th Jun 2007 17:41 UTC
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The Kubuntu changelog can be found at: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe1/Kubuntu

Edited 2007-06-07 17:42

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lindkvis
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2006-11-21

.. than 2.18, which was a nice, but a somewhat boring release with little changed in terms of user visible features.

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Very cutting edge
by sbergman27 on Thu 7th Jun 2007 17:57 UTC
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"""
we have upgraded the kernel to 2.6.22.
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That is truly amazing. Very cutting edge. kernel.org really needs to get with the program, as they are still back on release 2.6.22-rc4. ;-)

Edited 2007-06-07 17:58

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RE: Very cutting edge
by Morin on Thu 7th Jun 2007 18:41 UTC in reply to "Very cutting edge"
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2005-12-31

They still have four months to get it working realiably. That's a lot of time for a 2.6.xx version increase.

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What's the point of screenshots?
by polaris20 on Thu 7th Jun 2007 18:15 UTC
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It looks just like 7.04, which didn't look that different than 6.10. I've always wondered that with Linux in general; they show dozens of screenshots when a new version is released. But when it's using a tiny revision of the WM, what's the point?

Certainly there's a lot that goes into a new release, but often it's mostly behind the scenes.

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parentaladvisory Member since:
2006-12-18

I don't see the point in screenshots in these articles either. Stock GNOME is always stock GNOME ;) maybe they change colorscheme(wich they did'nt:)), but is it worth a whole series of screenshots? ONE reason would be if they put in some nice GUI tools they want to show off, but most often it is the usual, with the clean desktop, some dialog, some OO.o shots, a firefox/konqi web-browsing shot.. same with KDE distros as well, this was not a rant on only GNOME distros ;)

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polaris20 Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't see the point in screenshots in these articles either. Stock GNOME is always stock GNOME ;) maybe they change colorscheme(wich they did'nt:)), but is it worth a whole series of screenshots? ONE reason would be if they put in some nice GUI tools they want to show off, but most often it is the usual, with the clean desktop, some dialog, some OO.o shots, a firefox/konqi web-browsing shot.. same with KDE distros as well, this was not a rant on only GNOME distros ;)

Yeah, that's what I mean. If there's nothing especially new in terms of GUI appearance, screenshots are kinda pointless. And frankly, they get my hopes up!

Afterall, nobody loves new GUI eye candy more than me!

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lqsh Member since:
2007-01-01

Right, but if there was something really cool to see the screenshots become very handy. It's not the screenshots' fault that Ubuntu always looks the same.

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fulvioo Member since:
2005-11-11

Well, they aren't new if you have Ubuntu 7.04.
But they are very important for people new to linux/ubuntu.

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Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

It looks just like 7.04, which didn't look that different than 6.10.


This is what I was thinking about, a while back. Especially that the colors are dull. I hope Ubuntu changes these colors to something more catchy, like dark brown and sand instead of light brown and grey.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I like "warm and earthy". But I've never really thought that the brown themes worked all that well. Brown is a very difficult color to work with. While color variation depending upon monitor, brightness and contrast settings, etc. are always an issue... brown is in a class by itself when it comes to such variations. On your monitor, it may be a beautiful "chocolate", whereas on mine it may look like baby feces.

I use the "Outdoors" theme, which is based upon Ubuntu's "Human" theme, but is a green theme rather than a brown one. I combine it with a nice backdrop from Olympic National Park to very nice effect.

Screenshot here:

http://68.229.195.96:8080/ubuntu_olympic_national_park.jpg

Edited 2007-06-08 00:37

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netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

where did you download the picture?

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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where did you download the picture?
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Peaceful, isn't it?

It's available here in several resolutions:

http://tinyurl.com/3bjuns

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netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

Peaceful, isn't it?

Yes indeed.

Awfully good wallpapers!Thank you for the link.

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RGCook Member since:
2005-07-12

Devotees would agree. But with each new day, there will be potentially new curious users who will see Linux for the first time. Image is everything.

P.S. Didn't mean to imply that Linux = Ubuntu

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somewhat OT... for those that missed it
by anyweb on Thu 7th Jun 2007 20:41 UTC
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2005-07-06

here's A long and detailed 6 part article that perhaps dispels the myth that Ubuntu is living up to all the marketing hype. Goes into detail about Rhythmbox, Totem, Wireless/Ndiswrapper, mplayer, synaptic, compiz, xgl, beryl, gdesklets, wine and a whole lot more. Screenshots incl., if you are considering moving from Windows to Ubuntu, then read this first

I doubt that this 7.10 candidate has changed much of the above, but hopefully the devs are listening and will implement positive changes for GG.

http://linux-noob.com/review/ubuntu/7.04/

Edited 2007-06-07 20:48

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Stock Member since:
2005-08-31

I think that review is a little unfair not completely wrong just overly harsh at times.

First of all a lot of the complaints are because of poorly chosen hardware. Stuff that just isn't Linux compatible, and that's hardly Ubuntu's fault. Since the title of the review suggests the author uses Fedora I'd wager that they knew full well it wasn't going to work before they tried, because, the chances are it doesn't work in Fedora either.

Secondly, the author spends so much time digging around in the command line they're probably doing more harm than good. All the complaints about multimedia codecs are based upon the assumption that Ubuntu should support them when the author knows full well they come from unsupported locations. If he was truly testing it fairly he would visit fluendo and download some legitimate codecs. Another option that will be available soon is the CNR, which will also offer legal codecs. You'd be surprised how much easier everything works when you do it the right way.

In all fairness to the author, it is hard to relearn how to interact with a new distro when you've spent so much time with another one. He did an admirable job of investigating many features. The lesson to learn is that as with all distros you need to pick your hardware and your software carefully.

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polaris20 Member since:
2005-07-06

here's A long and detailed 6 part article that perhaps dispels the myth that Ubuntu is living up to all the marketing hype. Goes into detail about Rhythmbox, Totem, Wireless/Ndiswrapper, mplayer, synaptic, compiz, xgl, beryl, gdesklets, wine and a whole lot more. Screenshots incl., if you are considering moving from Windows to Ubuntu, then read this first

I doubt that this 7.10 candidate has changed much of the above, but hopefully the devs are listening and will implement positive changes for GG.


This guy is obviously already biased towards Fedora, and also seems unwilling to give Ubuntu a fair shot. Not only that, but he clearly spent two seconds working with synaptic, and once the instructions on some website weren't exactly correct, he proceeded to go directly to the terminal instead of exploring Synaptic some more, and then says Ubuntu isn't easy to use.

Synaptic worked fine with my Broadcom wireless, using the NDIS wrapper, without ever venturing into the terminal (not that I won't if need be, but it wasn't needed).

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Feisty issues
by siki_miki on Thu 7th Jun 2007 21:04 UTC
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Meanwhile I had a problem when upgrading the kernel in 7.04. It incorrectly modified my menu.lst (grub menu) so the system was unbootable.

I fixed it by substituting (hd0,5) with (hd0,4) ;)
Someone obviously forgot that grubs starts counting from zero.

Gutsy brings Xserver 1.3. However I didn't want to wait so I compiled it myself, along with a brand new mesa and DRI TTM driver for i915 card (broken however, yes I used latest DRM as well, so I still default to non-ttm one). It was a really painful experience, but finally I got it all working. xrandr 1.2 is a wonderful thing, however I miss graphical tool and auto-detection of output changes. That shouldn't be much work and i expect it to be addressed, soon.

There will be more changes in this area anyway, as memory manager and modesetting might land into kernel later this year. Don't expect this for Gutsy, though.

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CNR in 7.10
by wazari on Thu 7th Jun 2007 21:52 UTC
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2006-05-10

Do we know if 7.10 will come with CnR program/software loader. www.cnr.com It has been reported that is will, but i have yet to get this confirmed. It will make my life easy if it is installed as I can then set up multiple packages to install for different senarios like business/home/ofice etc.

Sorry for my English gramma/spelling

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RE: CNR in 7.10
by Stock on Thu 7th Jun 2007 22:14 UTC in reply to "CNR in 7.10"
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2005-08-31

The latest I've heard is that CNR will be released later this month. When that happens it should be available for Feisty even. So whilst I've heard nothing specific about Gutsy it makes sense that it will be available.

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Unfair, really...
by apoclypse on Thu 7th Jun 2007 22:26 UTC
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2007-02-17

People here are complaining about the artwork like this is the final release. Ubuntu doesn't usually release the new artwork for the distro until before the RC releases in some cases after if they gt enough complaints. I've had no issues with codecs or mp3's. Then again I use the totem-xine package as gstreamer is still crap, imo.

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Dell Ubuntu?
by Marcin on Fri 8th Jun 2007 02:13 UTC
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2007-06-06

I was wandering, if Dell guarantees that upcoming version (s) of Ubuntu will be working perfectly with Dell computers. For example, if I buy Dell's laptop now, does it mean that I do not have to worry that there will be some problems with future versions of Ubuntu ?

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RE: Dell Ubuntu?
by h3rman on Fri 8th Jun 2007 04:31 UTC in reply to "Dell Ubuntu? "
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2006-08-09

.. if I buy Dell's laptop now, does it mean that I do not have to worry that there will be some problems with future versions of Ubuntu ?


There's no guarantee.
Not all drivers for the Dellbuntus will be open source.
If you later install any Linux OS (including Ubuntu) on such a Dell, you may have to go out for that stuff yourself after installing.
However, I suspect Ubuntu wil have given the upgrade path of these machines some thought.

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User Experience
by sultanqasim on Fri 8th Jun 2007 02:15 UTC
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This release of Ubuntu has many changes under the hood but the changes for the user are very minimal. Linux already has fast boot times and a very stable, full featured kernel. What it needs is improvement in the UI. More things should "just work" and appliactions should have more innovative features and better looks. To be honest, I dont care about minor revisions in the kernel. What I do care about is user experience.

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RE: User Experience
by sbergman27 on Fri 8th Jun 2007 03:05 UTC in reply to "User Experience"
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"""
Linux already has fast boot times
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No, we don't. XP is faster, and it's like a thorn in my side because I used to condemn Windows for being so much slower than Unix OSes on boot. Now I'm always a bit embarrased when the comparison is made.

Ubuntu is carrying the torch when it comes to fast booting distros, at least if we are considering the most popular ones. I hear that Pardus has some pretty amazing boot times with their Python-based init system.

It should be interesting to see what the new boot scripts that actually take advantage of Upstart bring to the table.

Edited 2007-06-08 03:12

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RE[2]: User Experience
by sbergman27 on Fri 8th Jun 2007 03:42 UTC in reply to "RE: User Experience"
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2005-07-24

I can't help but notice that someone went out of their way to mod me down, only seconds after my post.

I'm sincerely interested in what I said that offended.

Was it that I gave XP credit for a faster boot time? (It's true, you know. I may not like it, but I don't see any point in denying the fact.)

Perhaps it was that I gave Ubuntu credit for being one of the faster booting popular distros?

Or perhaps it was one of those slavering anti-Pardites who have stormed onto the scene of late. ;-)

Edited 2007-06-08 03:45

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RE[2]: User Experience
by DeadFishMan on Fri 8th Jun 2007 12:07 UTC in reply to "RE: User Experience"
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No, we don't. XP is faster, and it's like a thorn in my side because I used to condemn Windows for being so much slower than Unix OSes on boot. Now I'm always a bit embarrased when the comparison is made.

While I do agree that a fresh installation of Windows XP boots faster than most Unix OSes out there, I still think that Linux has a foot on the door here because Windows tends to degrade its performance with time. Simple things like adding new fonts to the system can increase boot times a lot as anyone who works with DTP and image editting can tell you.

Also, once you boot into X, you have to wait just a few seconds to start using the desktop environment whereas on Windows, even if the desktop appears to show up faster after logon, in practice one has to wait several seconds until Windows loads some services and applications on the background before being able to use the system (donīt know if this is still true with Vista, though). Even if you trim lots of unnecessary services at start up, it still takes way too much time.

Actually, this is one of the things that made me fall in love with Linux: its performance is always the same even years after the deployment. I cannot claim the same for Windows and while the jury is still out for Vista, its ridiculous hardware requirements make me wonder if any other desktop/workstation class OS on the planet would not offer an improved user experience on the same hardware. ;)

Edited 2007-06-08 12:08

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RE[2]: User Experience
by theine on Sun 10th Jun 2007 09:43 UTC in reply to "RE: User Experience"
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And why are boot times so f--king important again?

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RE[2]: User Experience
by sultanqasim on Mon 11th Jun 2007 01:54 UTC in reply to "RE: User Experience"
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2006-10-28

Not really, linux takes longer to reach the login screen but then logs on in about 3 seconds. Windows reaches the login screen a bit faster than large distros but then takes 15 more seconds to log on (on a system with many apps and drivers etc.)

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Replacement initscripts?
by Savior on Fri 8th Jun 2007 09:47 UTC
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2006-09-02

Any news about the replacement initscripts? They have been deferred for Feisty, I hope they do not do it again for Gutsy. It would be nice to have a complete Upstart at last ;)

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udevsettle flaw...
by rklrkl on Sat 9th Jun 2007 16:25 UTC
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2005-07-06

It appears that the latest kernels used in both this Ubuntu release and CentOS 5 have the tendency to infinitely hang if there's any trouble at all starting the udev system.

I've tracked it to the crazy fact that /sbin/start_udev will run /sbin/udevsettle with no params (unless you pass "udevtimeout=10" for a 10-sec timeout on the kernel command line, at least on CentOS 5) by default.

udevsettle has an infinite timeout (or at least a very long one!) by default and both CentOS 5 (was recovering after a suspend went wrong) and Ubuntu 7.10 (gets stuck trying to configure the built-in Webcam on my laptop) get stuck in this infinite timeout loop when there's udev initialisation problems.

I'll probably go and find the appropriate place to report this - udevsettle should not have a long/infinite timeout by default, IMHO.

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PAE
by netpython on Sun 10th Jun 2007 10:27 UTC
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2005-07-06

It would be nice if ubuntu would offer some PAE kernels as well so one could see when the NX bit is enabled.

dmesg |grep NX: NX (Execute Disable) protection: active

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