Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 7th Jun 2007 16:28 UTC, submitted by mikemuch
Internet & Networking "Tired of all the ads on AIM? Want access to more services than just Yahoo!? There are lots of IM client choices besides the big three - AIM, Yahoo! Messenger, and Windows Live Messenger (formerly MSN Messenger). The software we examine here lets you hook into any of these three services, and usually more besides, like Jabber. Not all of these applications will offer all of the features you'll find on the big guys - video and voice chat come to mind - but most of them do a good job of unobtrusively keeping you in contact with your comrades."
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GTalk & Jabber is the way to go
by Chuck Norris on Thu 7th Jun 2007 16:41 UTC
Chuck Norris
Member since:
2007-03-24

I think Google's backing of XMPP is a great thing. More and more people are using Jabber thanks to Google. Virtually all people who use GMail are also Gtalk users, that's quite a lot of people. They can add Jabber users on their roaster, as both services have the same underlying technology. It's a free and open technology. No ad, no threat.

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RE: GTalk & Jabber is the way to go
by helf on Thu 7th Jun 2007 18:14 UTC in reply to "GTalk & Jabber is the way to go"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

I use gmail and I havent touched google talk ;)

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shykid Member since:
2007-02-22

Same here, but I would if more people used it. I think that's what (nearly) everyone thinks; it's a Catch-22 of sorts.

Edited 2007-06-07 21:05

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holywood Member since:
2006-09-25

Since I use GMail, I dropped MSN Messenger for Google Talk (Jabber) that I'm using with Gajim under GNU/Linux.

Many of my friends followed me, not by dropping MSN but began using Google Talk (Jabber).

Sorry for my English.

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

The only thing that's kept me with MSN is the ability to create a screen/sign-in name that uses your existing EMail address (by setting up a passport account tied to your regular EMail address and using that account for MSN, rather than a hotmail/msn.com/whatever address).

It looks like you *can* do that with GTalk if you sign up for the "google apps for domains" service - which requires a bit more jumping through hoops, but it's probably a bit more convenient long-term if you need to add multiple IM accounts tied to the same domain.

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Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"he only thing that's kept me with MSN is the ability to create a screen/sign-in name that uses your existing EMail address (by setting up a passport account tied to your regular EMail address and using that account for MSN, rather than a hotmail/msn.com/whatever address). "

The same explaination would be enough reason for me not to use MSN. :-) I like the concepts of having mail separated from IM systems, and using separate IM clients for each IM service. But I only use Jabber (apps: Gabber, PSI), along with X-Chat for all other stuff - or imcom and bitchx if console apps are needed.

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

The same explaination would be enough reason for me not to use MSN. :-) I like the concepts of having mail separated from IM systems


That's useful sometimes, but not always. E.g., if you use IM for work-related communication, it generally looks a lot more professional to have user@domain.com, rather than joeblow6789@hotmail.com. Also helps to save space on business cards

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Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"That's useful sometimes, but not always."

Like always: Use the correct tool for each task.

"E.g., if you use IM for work-related communication, it generally looks a lot more professional to have user@domain.com, rather than joeblow6789@hotmail.com. Also helps to save space on business cards"

This is true because it does not primarily imply you're using a MICROS~1 service. Additionally, you don't need to tell anyone the given mail address can also be used with "MSN", of course. :-)

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Use the correct tool for each task.


You've described my mantra ;)

This is true because it does not primarily imply you're using a MICROS~1 service.


There is that. We mostly do support for home users and SMBs - Microsoft has certainly not gained many fans in that segment. Much of the ranting I hear is pretty uninformed (E.g., I recently smiled-and-nodded polite lythrough a 5 minute "explanation" of why AVI was bad due to being a "Microsoft format"). But for a paycheque, I can hold my tongue.

Additionally, you don't need to tell anyone the given mail address can also be used with "MSN", of course. :-)


Oh of course. There's definitely a segment of our clients who haven't received that info - after dealing with someone by phone/EMail a few times, it's pretty easy to tell which people will be able to use IM sensibly. As opposed to those who use it as a lazy way to avoid EMail.

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Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

If you reread his statement this is exactly what he says. He says he sticks to MSN Messenger because he can use his company e-mail address as MSN Messenger username instead of having a bob@hotmail.com e-mail address.

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Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"If you reread his statement this is exactly what he says. He says he sticks to MSN Messenger because he can use his company e-mail address as MSN Messenger username instead of having a bob@hotmail.com e-mail address."

I did understand this. (It may work similar with mail addresses with the Jabber service.) I just liked to point out that I personally tend to use completely separated services, one for each designated audience, which may be seen as a security related decision. Giving someone one of my mail addresses does not provide him a possibility to include me in some IM client. Everyone is free to choose differently, of course.

As I pointed out in my reply to his reply, you don't need to tell anyone the mail address can be used as an "MSN" account.

PS. According to your example above: You know what MICROS~1 Bob is? Interesting to see it has an "MSN" account... :-)

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Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

It must be late here. I didn't understand anything to your reply. Gute Nacht.

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Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"It must be late here. I didn't understand anything to your reply. Gute Nacht."

Then, feel free to read it again tomorrow. Schlafens gut der Herr. :-)

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Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

I'm going to mod you up as always :-)

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Miranda
by Bending Unit on Thu 7th Jun 2007 16:53 UTC
Bending Unit
Member since:
2005-07-06

Somehow they forgot the best of them all: Miranda IM. Wierd.

But as long as they don't do MSN as well as Windows Live Messenger I'd rather not use them. MSN is what people use and so do I.

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RE: Miranda
by Chuck Norris on Thu 7th Jun 2007 17:08 UTC in reply to "Miranda"
Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

I use Exodus for work, as my web host supports Jabber ;)

Oh, and this way I don't mix with my friends who are all on Windows Live Messenger ;)

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RE: Miranda
by viton on Thu 7th Jun 2007 19:41 UTC in reply to "Miranda"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

>> MSN is what people use and so do I.
Probably in US. I don't know anyone who uses MSN.
100% of people i working with (international), use icq/skype.
Anyway, on Windows i prefer Miranda =)
Too bad, there are no comparable program on my Linux desktop.

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RE[2]: Miranda
by WereCatf on Thu 7th Jun 2007 20:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Miranda"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Probably in US. I don't know anyone who uses MSN.

In northern Europe too, apparently..I know only one person who uses ICQ, and around 50% of the people I know use Skype..But 100% of them use MSN..

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RE[3]: Miranda
by StephenBeDoper on Thu 7th Jun 2007 22:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Miranda"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Same here in Canada, from what I've seen.

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RE[3]: Miranda
by Archangel on Fri 8th Jun 2007 06:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Miranda"
Archangel Member since:
2005-07-23

And in New Zealand, MSN's pretty much the only one here. I'm told AIM is bigger in the States?
ICQ was bigger early on, but it's all but vanished - probably because of that stupid number system of theirs.

I know quite a few people who are on GTalk now, probably because it has a convenient web-based front end, something MS ignored for way too long. Still, it's interesting how fragmented IM is worldwide; it surprises me, given the obvious huge network effects.

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RE[2]: Miranda
by aent on Thu 7th Jun 2007 21:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Miranda"
aent Member since:
2006-01-25

MSN is not at all popular around here, or anywhere I've been. I looked through the logs of the firewall on the county school district system (one of the largest school districts in the US) and there were tons of people trying to get on AIM from school computers, which was not included on them, and very few tried to get on MSN, which is included on Windows. The story is similiar at both UCF and UF, which are both in the top 6 largest universities in the US. I have a feeling the parent isn't in the US? From what I've seen on my website, it seems like MSN is extremely popular in eastern europe and especially england.

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RE[3]: Miranda
by MamiyaOtaru on Fri 8th Jun 2007 06:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Miranda"
MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

As long as we're relating anecdotes..

AIM, MSN and ICQ are about evenly represented in my contacts list. A lot of it is due to history: AIM is mostly from when I used AOL *shame*. I started using ICQ when most people I was communicating with were using it (about the time AOL bought them). Later on a bunch of people were using MSN.

Right now I have about 25 contacts each with AIM, ICQ and MSN. I have 2 Yahoo contacts and 1 Jabber contact.

Trillian introduced me to multi system IMs. It got restrictive feeling to Miranda came next. After switching to Linux, GAIM worked for a while, then I switched to Kopete as soon as it was usable. Nothing wrong with Gaim, I just happen to use KDE. All were well usable.

A lot of people like using Jabber to access AIM, MSN and the rest and I tried it, but didn't stick with it when it became apparent the third party Jabber server had to have access to name and password so they could pass it on to the various services. I wasn't entirely comfortable with that.

Edited 2007-06-08 06:45 UTC

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RE[3]: Miranda
by Brmbolec on Fri 8th Jun 2007 07:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Miranda"
Brmbolec Member since:
2005-07-23

I haven't seen anybody using MSN and I'm in eastern europe. People are mostly using ICQ/Skype here.

I've been using GAIM (Pidgin) for a long time but now I'm using Adium on Mac all the time...

Edited 2007-06-08 07:34

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a 2nd vote for miranda
by kurenai on Thu 7th Jun 2007 17:03 UTC
kurenai
Member since:
2006-01-24

On windows, Miranda is definitely my IM client of choice. Pidgin isn't even close =/

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RE: a 2nd vote for miranda
by flanque on Thu 7th Jun 2007 21:26 UTC in reply to "a 2nd vote for miranda "
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

I agree. The level of customisation with plug-ins is excellent. I've combined four IMs into Miranda and it's only using 1.5MB of memory.

Can't argue with that.

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meebo
by kozo on Thu 7th Jun 2007 17:29 UTC
kozo
Member since:
2006-02-02

Installing ym! and live messenger adds so much to ram usage, I would rather use my browser instead.

And being a noob, can I view webcam using Miranda?

Edited 2007-06-07 17:31

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RE
by Kroc on Thu 7th Jun 2007 17:31 UTC
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

Those looking for a messenger with webcam support over MSN should look at Mecury Messenger or aMSN. They both suck UI-wise, but work good enough for the now and again you want to use Webcam.

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RE
by holywood on Thu 7th Jun 2007 22:21 UTC in reply to "RE"
holywood Member since:
2006-09-25

Kopete does it too :-)

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I love Miranda.
by jrronimo on Thu 7th Jun 2007 17:43 UTC
jrronimo
Member since:
2006-02-28

I've been using Miranda IM ( http://www.miranda-im.org/ ) for quite a while now. It's a HUGE pain in the rear to configure exactly how you want it, but once you do it's an amazing little guy. Plus, it's completely transportable, so it's the perfect flash-drive app.

As for webcams in Miranda, Meebo, I don't know... I doubt it, though.

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RE: I love Miranda.
by hobgoblin on Thu 7th Jun 2007 18:47 UTC in reply to "I love Miranda."
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

well miranda has a webcam framework in place, but the legality of the msn webcam code thats out there, and that its using vlc for some basics makes people on the miranda forum less then enthusiastic about working on that final step.

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RE: I love Miranda.
by shykid on Thu 7th Jun 2007 20:04 UTC in reply to "I love Miranda."
shykid Member since:
2007-02-22

It's a HUGE pain in the rear to configure exactly how you want it

Oh god, yes. That's what kept me away from it for a long time, but I recently downloaded Mir4nda IM Pack, one of the Miranda 'distributions' that comes with all of the plugins you need to make it decent. I wasn't a big fan of Mir4nda, but it provided me with a handy selection of plugins to copy to a vanilla copy of Miranda, and now I am a happy Miranda IM convert. ;)

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RE:RE: Miranda
by mrasool on Thu 7th Jun 2007 18:34 UTC
mrasool
Member since:
2007-05-28

Chuck can you tell me what web host you use ? I have been thinking of such a service but could not find any.

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RE[2]:RE: Miranda
by Chuck Norris on Thu 7th Jun 2007 19:10 UTC in reply to "RE:RE: Miranda"
Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

Chuck can you tell me what web host you use ? I have been thinking of such a service but could not find any.

I use Dreamhost, in their control panel there's a section where you can create Jabber users. If I knew I wouldn't be modded down, I would give you a $97 discount coupon, but these days, everything is considered unethical or spam.

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Kopete
by parentaladvisory on Thu 7th Jun 2007 18:44 UTC
parentaladvisory
Member since:
2006-12-18

I use Kopete mostly. Dont know how all the protocolls work, but I use msn, and it works well for my needs. I dont use a webcam, but there are buttons with cams on them, so the program maybe supports it, or throuh some other protocol than msn... The thing I kinda miss is the abilty to send offline messages on msn with kopete, that is possible in ms live messanger.

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RE: Kopete
by DeadFishMan on Thu 7th Jun 2007 20:16 UTC in reply to "Kopete"
DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

I also use Kopete and yes, it does support webcam at least on the MSN protocol through V4L2 on Linux. Donīt know about Yahoo and the others as I donīt use them. The way how Kopete is integrated with KDE though is what makes its killer feature. Otherwise, Iīd be satisfied with Pidgin even without no multimedia support at all.

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Meebo
by TaterSalad on Thu 7th Jun 2007 18:57 UTC
TaterSalad
Member since:
2005-07-06

I use meebo when I'm at work since the firewall has most of the popular IM ports blocked. At home I use each individual IM app.

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bitlbee
by jessta on Fri 8th Jun 2007 11:47 UTC
jessta
Member since:
2005-08-17

I've been using bitlbee with irssi for 3 years.
It's been really good. None of the pointless annoying stuff that usually comes with IM and I can ssh in to the irssi session from anywhere with an internet connection.

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I miss Miranda in this review too
by JrezIN on Fri 8th Jun 2007 14:27 UTC
JrezIN
Member since:
2005-06-29

Not sure how the reviewer left it out... I'm using Miranda for years now. It's definitely the best IM client for any needs... Just customize for your needs you use the sane defaults. Has basic encryption of passwords... groups and sub-groups on contact list... well, it's very nice!

I used to create some icons, a translation and the site's design in the past... unfortunately I don't have time for that now, but I miss contributing this nice project. =]

(about the messenger's discussion, ICQ used to completely rule the Brazilian IM users, but this is past... the bloated and bugged client made people left... Now Messenger is the most used IM client/network in Brazil... no doubts about it)

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Telepathy
by diegoviola on Fri 8th Jun 2007 18:37 UTC
diegoviola
Member since:
2006-08-15

This framework will fix a lot of stuff in the future and will make everything more unified, this is the future.

http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/

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