Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Jun 2007 21:46 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones "The fifth public alpha build of Firefox 3 has been officially released. The new alpha build, which is codenamed Gran Paradiso, features early components of the revamped Places system, a cohesive storage framework that will unify bookmark and history storage. An earlier prototype of the Places system was tested in early Firefox 2 alpha (Bon Echo) builds but was removed because it couldn't be completed within the Firefox 2 release timeframe."
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Speed Dial functionality?
by Chuck Norris on Fri 8th Jun 2007 22:54 UTC
Chuck Norris
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2007-03-24

What about adding Speed Dial functionality into Firefox?

I'm using it in Opera, it's excellent.

http://operawatch.com/news/2007/02/new-speed-dial-functionality-in-...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4810

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RE: Speed Dial functionality?
by WorknMan on Fri 8th Jun 2007 23:59 UTC in reply to "Speed Dial functionality?"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

What about adding Speed Dial functionality into Firefox?

Ummm, create an HTML file on your hard drive with some links in it, and then set it as the home page?

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Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

I was modded to hell. Did I offense some one by suggesting a feature that I particularly like? To those who cowardly modded me down, please speak out.

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RE[3]: Speed Dial functionality?
by buff on Sat 9th Jun 2007 02:00 UTC in reply to "RE: Speed Dial functionality?"
buff Member since:
2005-11-12

Ummm, create an HTML file on your hard drive with some links in it, and then set it as the home page?
Nice one, that made me chuckle a little. I think keywords are much better than speed dial and very underused. A lot of people don't realize you can set one word shortcuts to bookmarks by setting the keyword property in a bookmark. For example, I press Ctrl+L to get me to the location bar and then press os to load osnews.com, s=slashdot, g=google, etc.

In regards to the XUL comments, it is unfortunate that XUL Runner is not ready yet to be the base for Firefox. If you are a Linux user you probably know that most libraries on your system are shared. Even though Thunderbird and Firefox use the same XUL runtime they don't share the library yet and so consume memory. It is like duplicating installations of the GTK widget library for each application on your system. The older Seamonkey suite actually shares one XUL runtime between Mail and the Browser making it more efficient with memory management.

Edited 2007-06-09 02:10

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RE[2]: Speed Dial functionality?
by Dave_K on Sat 9th Jun 2007 12:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Speed Dial functionality?"
Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

Ummm, create an HTML file on your hard drive with some links in it, and then set it as the home page?


Then nice thing about Speed Dial is that you can change the sites it displays extremely quickly.

Just drag and drop a couple of links from your bookmarks or open tabs and you can have super quick access to them. With keyboard shortcuts automatically set and thumbnails that can be refreshed to show current page contents.

I use bookmarks and keywords to access my long term favourite sites, at least the ones that aren't saved as a session. I find Speed Dial useful for those sites that I want to access regularly for a short period of time then forget about. Particular discussion forum threads I'm following, pages where I'm waiting for an update, a help document that I want to refer back to while working on something, etc.

Speed Dial means that I don't have to create, organise and delete bookmarks, and maybe set keywords, every time I want a few days of quick access to a particular page.

Apart from anything else, Speed Dial provides a visual and extremely easy to use way of managing a few sites. Very useful for new and inexperienced browser users who haven't discovered the more complex features.

Manually creating a page of links is hardly the same thing.

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RE: Speed Dial functionality?
by Rocinante on Sat 9th Jun 2007 04:02 UTC in reply to "Speed Dial functionality?"
Rocinante Member since:
2005-11-18

Firefox does have this functionality, it's had it ever since it was firebird. Go into a bookmark property, and there will be a keyword field. You can even use it to make custom site searches.

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Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

Firefox does have this functionality, it's had it ever since it was firebird. Go into a bookmark property, and there will be a keyword field. You can even use it to make custom site searches.

You're talking about keyword shortcuts. You didn't check my links. I'm talking about Speed Dial. When you open a new tab, it shows a series of thumbnails of the 9 web sites you access most (can be defined manually).

http://media.arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.media/opera92.jpg

As some one said, you can set up an HTML, create these thumbnails and set up this page as my home page. I can also code my own browser if I'm enough motivated, if we take this way.

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stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

I guess that it's a case of relative ease.

Time to code a new browser with all the features of Opera/FF: >1000 Hours

Time to make an HTML page with thumbnails of your favourite webpages: <3 Hours

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jayson.knight Member since:
2005-07-06

"Time to make an HTML page with thumbnails of your favourite webpages: <3 Hours"

3 hours? Are you growing your own HTML tags in your HTML garden and have to wait for them to get ripe first? :-P

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stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

Well. I said < for a reason. This is a worst-case estimate assuming that the person has to work out how to screengrab, then work out how to use Blufish/<insert HTML editor here>/Scite. I always like to bias numbers against my argument if I can, it makes it harder for the opposition to attack your case.

I like the idea of growing your own Tags tho. Kinda cute ;) .

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RE[3]: Speed Dial functionality?
by Beta on Sat 9th Jun 2007 14:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Speed Dial functionality?"
Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

Time to search on Firefox's addons site: 30 seconds

SpeedDial for Firefox,
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4810

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Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

I guess this is why I don't use Firefox. The most basic features are all available as extensions only (session saver, speed dial, mouse gestures, user-agent switcher, etc...). Ironically, Firefox's setup file is 3x bigger than Opera's, that has the functionality of most of these extensions included as default, ready to use out of the box, no need to have to search for them on the web, no version issues between the browser and extensions. It just works.

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RE[5]: Speed Dial functionality?
by smitty on Sat 9th Jun 2007 22:19 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Speed Dial functionality?"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

Session saver is built into Firefox 2. Speed dial, mouse gestures, and user-agent switching are all things that very few people use, so I can't disagree with their decision to keep these as extensions. If you really do need all those features, then perhaps Firefox isn't the best browser for you - Opera is a great alternative.

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XUL
by centinall on Fri 8th Jun 2007 23:37 UTC
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Member since:
2007-06-07

Hey, my first post, but been a long time reader.

Anyway, looks like Firefox 3 won't be distributed with XUL Runner as the underlying engine as was once stated on the roadmap.

"Specifically this means we are not producing supported XULRunner builds and we do not plan to ship Firefox3 on top of a stand-alone XULRunner."

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/archives/2007/05/xul_and_xu...

I guess this makes sense since mozilla is so big and xul runner has only been in development for a reasonably short amount of time. however, there seems to be many applications that are being built on it these days: songbird, democracy player, joost, etc...

with all the talk of flash, sliverlight and javafx lately, i'm surprised that not many people brought up xul as an alternative. especially with how much the svg canvas has matured. the only disadvantage i would see for xul runner is in native multimedia capabilities.

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Places feature useful?
by buff on Sat 9th Jun 2007 02:25 UTC
buff
Member since:
2005-11-12

Another interesting feature with Firefox 3 is the places feature. This is essentially bookmarks and history blended together with a SQLLite backend. I find it puzzling that this feature is moving Firefox from version 2 to 3. I wonder if their direction with advanced bookmarks or places is a little old fashioned. It seems most users have a regular set of bookmarks and then just use a search engine to find the rest. Not really a ground breaking feature for a major browser version. Mozilla might want to reconsider some of their design decisions. I still have friends using 1.5 since they don't like the changes to 2.0. Do people think the major innovation has peaked with Firefox and these new features are really just minor tack-ons? It appears the move from version 2 to 3 is more marketing-speak than a useful indication of a new design or feature set.

Edited 2007-06-09 02:27

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RE: Places feature useful?
by smitty on Sat 9th Jun 2007 03:55 UTC in reply to "Places feature useful?"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

It appears the move from version 2 to 3 is more marketing-speak than a useful indication of a new design or feature set.

Firefox is getting a major new version number because of the move to Gecko 1.9, not Places. It is a major reworking of the entire display framework, including the use of Cairo. If you think Places is the major new feature, then apparently they aren't doing enough marketing...

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RE[2]: Places feature useful?
by buff on Sat 9th Jun 2007 12:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Places feature useful?"
buff Member since:
2005-11-12

If you think Places is the major new feature, then apparently they aren't doing enough marketing...
You are over-interpreting. If you look at my comment it describes Places as a minor feature with not a lot of noticeable improvement to a user. Also switching to a newer rendering engine version is also minor from a user's perspective they won't recognize a lot of work was done. These are really just regular updates and some minor new features. It will essentially look the same but render better. Sounds like a version 2.1 to me. Also, if you read the developers site for Firefox 3 they do have Places as being one of the showcase new features.

Edited 2007-06-09 12:54

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RE[3]: Places feature useful?
by smitty on Sat 9th Jun 2007 18:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Places feature useful?"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

Maybe you should take a look at your own comment.

Do people think the major innovation has peaked with Firefox and these new features are really just minor tack-ons? It appears the move from version 2 to 3 is more marketing-speak than a useful indication of a new design or feature set.

As I said, that is false. There is a major change in the design of parts of Firefox. Or were you simply referring to a UI design change?

Also switching to a newer rendering engine version is also minor from a user's perspective they won't recognize a lot of work was done. These are really just regular updates and some minor new features. It will essentially look the same but render better. Sounds like a version 2.1 to me.

Since when are version changes linked to what the viewer sees? They have always been linked to the code - when half of the code has been replaced, it's time for a major version change, whether the end user sees a difference or not. Like I said, these are not minor new features, they are a major redesign of entire subsystems inside Firefox.

Also, if you read the developers site for Firefox 3 they do have Places as being one of the showcase new features.

I'd agree that Places isn't such big deal. I do think it is a nice step towards the future, but doubt it will really affect me.

Since you seem to be so unimpressed by the changes, what exactly were you expecting? What new feature would make it worth the 3.0 change? Did you want 3D tabs that you could flip over and write comments on the back? What exactly would be a "major" update to you?

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RE[2]: Places feature useful?
by jelway on Sun 10th Jun 2007 17:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Places feature useful?"
jelway Member since:
2006-05-14

If you think Places is the major new feature, then apparently they aren't doing enough marketing...

...well obviously, just look at the blurb of the article!

=)

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RE: Places feature useful?
by bousozoku on Sat 9th Jun 2007 04:48 UTC in reply to "Places feature useful?"
bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23

Well, the bookmarks system has been broken long before Mozilla 1.0 arrived. There is a recursion bug which raises its ugly head from time to time when they try to speed up the current JavaScript-enabled system. It happened in a recent BonEcho beta again. I don't see much in Places at this moment but it seems to be working better than in version 2, alpha 1. They've had some time to work out the kinks.

The change to the rendering and widgets is quite good and all those sites that look okay but not quite right will finally look as intended. Having native widgets will be a plus for many people. I can say that the whole browser, as of alpha 5 is quite good and, even though buggy, is good enough that I would consider dropping version 2.0.x, if my addons worked.

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favorites
by evert on Sat 9th Jun 2007 05:07 UTC
evert
Member since:
2005-07-06

I like the way Microsoft has implemented bookmarks by using the *nix philosophy of using many small files and using the file system where possible. Copying, deleting, renaming, organizing in folders and adding a singe or multiple bookmarks by manipulating files in your file manager just makes sense. Even rsync works to sync my bookmarks. I feel that a SQL database is just overkill. Keep it simple.

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web archives
by swarmi on Sat 9th Jun 2007 06:06 UTC
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2007-06-09

One of the IE7 features I like alot is when you save as, it creates a single file which contains all the page assets as well as the html. This is a non-issue for desktop users, but for laptops you are often in situations with no internet.

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RE: web archives
by smitty on Sat 9th Jun 2007 07:22 UTC in reply to "web archives"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

There is an unofficial extension which adds this ability. I'm not sure I'd really trust it to be bug free though.

http://files-upload.com/278946/maf-0.6.4u.xpi.html

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RE: web archives
by isaba on Sat 9th Jun 2007 10:36 UTC in reply to "web archives"
isaba Member since:
2006-12-30

I also used to complain about it, because I find it very useful to handle a single file when saving web pages.

But now I have found the best way for it: print the page as pdf !! For me it is a nice solution. Really portable ;-)

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New Bookmark management
by 74k3n on Sat 9th Jun 2007 13:04 UTC
74k3n
Member since:
2007-06-06

Finally! One of the things firefox has missed for a while now is good bookmark management, I cant wait.

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RE: New Bookmark management
by jayson.knight on Sat 9th Jun 2007 22:23 UTC in reply to "New Bookmark management"
jayson.knight Member since:
2005-07-06

"Finally! One of the things firefox has missed for a while now is good bookmark management, I cant wait."

Enter del.icio.us...the plugin for Firefox provides seamless integration. I don't know of a better system out there (either built into a browser or not).

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Memory consumption
by sapere aude on Sat 9th Jun 2007 15:17 UTC
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2006-03-07

Any news about the memory consumption? Sometimes it's said that this new version will improve memory management; is it true?

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64 Bit?
by jayson.knight on Sat 9th Jun 2007 22:21 UTC
jayson.knight
Member since:
2005-07-06

Any word on native x64 binaries? And no, Minefield doesn't count.

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RE:64 Bit?
by joelito_pr on Sun 10th Jun 2007 01:44 UTC
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2005-07-07

Any word on native x64 binaries? And no, Minefield doesn't count.


Compile them?

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Gotta love native HTML widgets in linux
by siimo on Sun 10th Jun 2007 07:53 UTC
siimo
Member since:
2006-06-22

This was only checked in recently so its only available in nightly build now but should be in 3.0!

Check out the screenies (i am using clearlooks theme):

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/8/6/9/f_ff2m_15a3db4.jpg

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/8/6/9/f_ffm_ed0c955.jpg


Still needs work but looks much better than current widgets IMO.

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Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

Wow! At last! I have asked for it in the Mozillazine forum since 2005 and nothing had been done until....now ;)

Your screenshot looks excellent now, very good job.

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Firefox 3 too bloated!
by casuto on Sun 10th Jun 2007 12:21 UTC
casuto
Member since:
2007-02-27

Firefox 3 too bloated!

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RE: Firefox 3 too bloated!
by systyrant on Sun 10th Jun 2007 21:20 UTC in reply to "Firefox 3 too bloated!"
systyrant Member since:
2007-01-18

"Firefox 3 too bloated!"

What isn't to bloated these days. Even the simple "Hello World" program is bloated. =P

Seriously though I don't think it's fair to call something still in alpha phase bloated. Even more to the point how does one define bloat?

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RE[2]: Firefox 3 too bloated!
by Tweek on Mon 11th Jun 2007 22:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Firefox 3 too bloated!"
Tweek Member since:
2006-01-12

It is bloated when it has a feature I dont particularly care or want.

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RE[3]: Firefox 3 too bloated!
by systyrant on Tue 12th Jun 2007 02:03 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Firefox 3 too bloated!"
systyrant Member since:
2007-01-18

Not that I would disagree with that definition, but if that were to stand then all software is bloated. Then again maybe all software is bloated. ;)

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Use
by Eric Martin on Sun 10th Jun 2007 21:23 UTC
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Member since:
2005-11-11

boox extension for quick tooltips.

http://joliclic.free.fr/mozilla/boox/

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Used it.
by Eric Martin on Sun 10th Jun 2007 21:25 UTC
Eric Martin
Member since:
2005-11-11

Noticed NOTHING unique.

Very disappointed.

Need to get rid of Xul graphics.

Needs way better default skin.

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