Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Jun 2007 23:16 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Development plans for Ubuntu 7.10 (codenamed Gutsy Gibbon) were announced last night on the Ubuntu development mailing list. Scheduled for official release in late October, Gutsy Gibbon will include version 2.6.22 of the Linux kernel, GNOME 2.20, and Xorg 7.3. Kubuntu 7.10 will feature KDE 3.5.7 and offer optional packages for KDE 4.0 RC2. Ubuntu 7.10 Server Edition will feature some nice additions, including support for Novell's AppArmor security framework.
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Great news!
by avivahl on Wed 20th Jun 2007 23:30 UTC
avivahl
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2005-07-06

Glad to hear that... can't wait for October to come...

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RE: Great news!
by flanque on Thu 21st Jun 2007 04:34 UTC in reply to "Great news!"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

I'm with you. I tried Ubuntu very recently and found it pretty dull, however I am keen on each release to see if it spurs my interest as a home OS.

Eagerly awaiting.

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KDE4
by rx182 on Wed 20th Jun 2007 23:37 UTC
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2005-07-08

I can't wait to see KDE4 up and running. I'm tired of existing DE. I need some fresh air ;-)

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...
by Hiev on Wed 20th Jun 2007 23:43 UTC
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2005-09-27

Im glad that the monitor reslution part is finally fixed, (only took them one year and many complains from me).

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RE: ...
by Ethyriel on Thu 21st Jun 2007 14:31 UTC in reply to "..."
Ethyriel Member since:
2005-07-07

In all fairness, they were waiting on X

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Mobile Edition
by sb56637 on Wed 20th Jun 2007 23:53 UTC
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2006-05-11

>>"Ubuntu 7.10 will be the first Ubuntu release to offer a complete mobile and embedded edition built with the Hildon user interface components, which are also used by the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet's Maemo platform."

Any idea if this will run on x86? I want it for my old laptop!

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RE: Mobile Edition
by Eugenia on Thu 21st Jun 2007 00:12 UTC in reply to "Mobile Edition"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

No, this is for ARM stuff. However, I think that the "cut-down" non-compatible versions of OSes are a waste of time. The future goes towards very thin handtops, like the Palm Foleo, but by running x86. It's a real value to be able to install normal x86 packages instead of weird mobile stuff. That's where the market is going anyway.

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RE[2]: Mobile Edition
by s-peter on Thu 21st Jun 2007 06:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Mobile Edition"
s-peter Member since:
2006-01-29

One significant difference is that most mobile devices targeted by these "cut-down" environments use a stylus as the main (and often only) input device. Most users want to use those as "handheld" devices, not as laptops. So the most important reason for having different environments for these devices is not their low power, but to accomodate for different user interfaces. (But of course it doesn't hurt to slim down other parts of the OS as well, and this may even benefit the "mainstream" distributions in the long run.)

While the Palm Foleo is a very nice piece of hardware, it is nothing more than an underpowered notebook. (In fact, there are already several Japanese notebooks out that are both lighter and more powerful than the Foleo). So in that sense, I agree with you that there is no need for a cut-down environment for these keyboard-equipped devices.

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KDE3.5.7 to come with KDE4.0
by Sabz on Thu 21st Jun 2007 01:04 UTC
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2005-07-07

why doesnt Canonical wait for the final releas of KDE4.0? an just package that in Kubuntu? if Fedora are going to , why cant Canonical? just sounds stupid to have 2 KDE's, im sure the ubuntu community can wait till the final is released,

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RE: KDE3.5.7 to come with KDE4.0
by abhaysahai on Thu 21st Jun 2007 01:35 UTC in reply to "KDE3.5.7 to come with KDE4.0"
abhaysahai Member since:
2005-10-20

True.
They have posponned the release earlier too -- with Dapper Drake. Though the reason for the late reease were different and it was a LTS release. However, this time we have a very important KDE release in waiting. Last time Kubuntu was the feistiest release, this time they can make it even more apprealing by having KDE 4.0 integrated in it.

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RE: KDE3.5.7 to come with KDE4.0
by fakhar on Thu 21st Jun 2007 01:41 UTC in reply to "KDE3.5.7 to come with KDE4.0"
fakhar Member since:
2005-11-14

From the announcement:
"we do release according to a time-based schedule[1] rather than a feature-based one"

I don't think Fedora is going to wait for KDE4, it's just by chance that F9 is coming at the same time... if KDE4 is delayed, they won't delay Fedora release - I can be wrong though ( and I will be delighted )

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RE[2]: KDE3.5.7 to come with KDE4.0
by Sabz on Fri 22nd Jun 2007 05:21 UTC in reply to "RE: KDE3.5.7 to come with KDE4.0"
Sabz Member since:
2005-07-07

Fedora will have KDE4, what Release i dont know, if you had of read i think it was a few weeks ago in a FWN bulletin that F8 would be delayed a few weeks to put KDE4 in it, as KDE3.5.7 an KDE4.0 cannot be installed alongside each other or they do not play well with each other being both being installed,

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RE: KDE3.5.7 to come with KDE4.0
by miscz on Thu 21st Jun 2007 08:09 UTC in reply to "KDE3.5.7 to come with KDE4.0"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

Ubuntu releases are fixed to match Gnome releases. I'm sure that Kubuntu folks will package final version of KDE4 as soon as it's released and make it available via additional repositories.

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KDE 4
by diegoviola on Thu 21st Jun 2007 01:53 UTC
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2006-08-15

I don't want to wait 6 months for KDE 4 to be in Kubuntu by default, I think they should release Kubuntu 7.10 with KDE 4 by default, that way KDE 4 is going to be more tested, which means more bug fixes and improvements. But if they don't release 7.10 with KDE 4 is fine too.

Anyway, good to see Xorg 7.3 and CompComm in 7.10 ;)

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RE: KDE 4
by Kroc on Thu 21st Jun 2007 07:21 UTC in reply to "KDE 4"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Releasing highly untested software on end users, as default is just highly irresponsible.

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RE[2]: KDE 4
by lemur2 on Thu 21st Jun 2007 07:38 UTC in reply to "RE: KDE 4"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Releasing highly untested software on end users, as default is just highly irresponsible.


KDE 4.0 RC2 won't be "highly untested software", but nevertheless, I agree, one shouldn't ship release candidate software as the default.

I can't see a problem with having it as an option, however, for people who like to try cutting-edge pre-release software.

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RE[2]: KDE 4
by BluenoseJake on Thu 21st Jun 2007 12:07 UTC in reply to "RE: KDE 4"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

That's why it'll be optional. It won't be installed by default, it for people to try out

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RE: KDE 4
by sbergman27 on Thu 21st Jun 2007 13:14 UTC in reply to "KDE 4"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""
I don't want to wait 6 months for KDE 4 to be in Kubuntu by default,
"""

You can use the optional kde4 packages. And besides, for all the hooplah, KDE 4.0 is not going to be a big deal. They are introducing some powerful new frameworks in it... but they will likely not be *used* that much in 4.0.

KDE 4.1 should be a big deal.

(Unless you are a developer of KDE software, of course. )

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RE: KDE 4
by Jezza on Fri 22nd Jun 2007 13:45 UTC in reply to "KDE 4"
Jezza Member since:
2005-10-13

I don't want to wait 6 months for KDE 4 to be in Kubuntu by default, I think they should release Kubuntu 7.10 with KDE 4 by default, that way KDE 4 is going to be more tested, which means more bug fixes and improvements.


KDE4 in 7.10 is what backports and Jonathan's kubuntu.org packages are for. As soon as KDE4 is available, there will be a package for 7.10.

Besides, including it as default in their main release, while it's still potentially unstable will drive users away from linux. Let it get to 4.0.1 or something first.

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Dual monitors
by ubit on Thu 21st Jun 2007 05:38 UTC
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2006-09-08

That's disappointing about no multi-monitor GUI support. Fedora 7 has a utility to manage this, so I wonder why Ubuntu wouldn't include it, coming six months after.

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RE: Dual monitors
by nicholas on Thu 21st Jun 2007 15:25 UTC in reply to "Dual monitors"
nicholas Member since:
2005-07-07

Fedora 7 couldn't even use the graphical installer on my machine with PCI-E GF6100 and PCI Voodoo 3 both plugged in.

Feisty has no such problems.

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choice is good
by vege on Thu 21st Jun 2007 08:03 UTC
vege
Member since:
2006-04-07

Offering more choice in October is the best for everyone, so we can try the RC of the upcoming big shot DE, or we can stay with the good old things.

Anyway, I am sure that as an update we will get the final KDE4 as soon as it is released by the KDE team, so
1) we don't have to wait for the new things longer then gnome-ubuntu users
2) still we will get the KDE4 immediately when it gets published

I'm grateful to have the choice and the speed together, thank you.

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make difference
by netpython on Thu 21st Jun 2007 08:10 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

Glad to see Ubuntu again can make a difference in distro land.I think i will install the server version and simply apt-get install the bare needed packages to get my desktop.The only with the server (PAE) kernel i can activate the NX bit.I'm realy looking forward to tha Gibbon.

Edited 2007-06-21 08:11

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6 month release
by Cagliostro on Thu 21st Jun 2007 09:37 UTC
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2007-04-06

That's what I don't like on many distro specially Ubuntu. You have to change your system every 6 months. True it lets you have the very last new packages, but it also gives you the feeling that the fresh system you just installed is quickly/already outdated, it's an endless run....

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RE: 6 month release
by Nalle on Thu 21st Jun 2007 10:41 UTC in reply to "6 month release"
Nalle Member since:
2005-07-06

On the upside, Ubuntu can be upgraded fairly flawlessly and then you do not need to even change your desktop preferences.

I'm also sure that the upgrade utility for 7.10 is even better than for 7.04, so even fewer will encounter problems (some always do, for some odd reason).

I did a fresh reinstall when changing to 7.04, so I am really not familiar with it, but I see it gets much more kudos then spanking.

What I'd like is a update that changed from version to version with the normal updates. I think Gentoo has something like that. Gentoo however isn't a "just-works"-distro the same way that Ubuntu is.

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RE: 6 month release
by dagw on Thu 21st Jun 2007 10:51 UTC in reply to "6 month release"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

You don't have to upgrade. They're still offering updates and security patches for Ubuntu 6.10 for example. Also upgrading is fairly easy. Just click the upgrade button and go eat lunch, when you come back your system should be upgraded.

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RE: 6 month release
by BluenoseJake on Thu 21st Jun 2007 12:09 UTC in reply to "6 month release"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

You certainly don't have to change your system every 6 months. Security updates are available after the release of the new version, so if you are happy, why upgrade?

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RE: 6 month release
by arctic on Fri 22nd Jun 2007 07:20 UTC in reply to "6 month release"
arctic Member since:
2006-04-19

If you do not want to run a distro with such a fast release-cycle you have several options left:

a) install a rolling release distro like Debian sid, Arch or Gentoo,

b) install a distro with a slower release cycle like CentOS (very cool), StartCom AS, Debian stable or Slackware.

It's your choice. ;)

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TV out
by zerohalo on Thu 21st Jun 2007 13:07 UTC
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2005-07-26

I'm hoping that the Xorg improvements will mean that TV out works "out of the box". I haven't had any success connecting a couple of different laptops to TVs (using S-Video). There are somewhat complicated Xorg hacks which I haven't had the time to study and implement, but really it should be something that works out of the box, like with Windows. (And plugging the S-Video cable in and restarting X doesn't do the trick.)

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Xorg improvements
by polaris20 on Thu 21st Jun 2007 13:21 UTC
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2005-07-06

I'm looking forward to the Xorg improvements, especially in regard to multiple displays. My Radeon wasn't the easiest thing to get working under 7.04 on dual display.

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2 KDE's
by pllb on Thu 21st Jun 2007 14:32 UTC
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2007-04-30

I imagine they are going to have 2 KDE versions because when the first beta of KDE4 roles out at the end of the month that is when debian is going to start putting it in unstable. So Kubuntu is just likely to rape it from unstable repos as expected.

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RE: 2 KDE's
by DigitalAxis on Thu 21st Jun 2007 15:06 UTC in reply to "2 KDE's "
DigitalAxis Member since:
2005-08-28

Kubuntu.org has published Ubuntu .debs for two development snapshots and the first alpha, already, within a day or so of the releases. You can check KDE 4 out now; it apparently doesn't look like much at the moment... Although Alpha 1 has the new look they're going for.

Edited 2007-06-21 15:09

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