Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Jun 2007 20:13 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives There have been some interesting developments in the Haiku/BeOS world the past few weeks. Firstly, SkyOS developer Peter "Darkness" Speybrouck has been working on accessing SkyFS/BeFS partitions from Windows. Secondly, Opera 3.62 runs on Haiku. Lastly, if you have an Intel Mac, you can use VMware Fusion to run Haiku in Mac OS X; Haiku does not support EFI, so this is your only chance of running Haiku if you own an Intel Mac.
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Parallels works on OSX
by umccullough on Sat 23rd Jun 2007 20:40 UTC
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2006-01-26

You can also run Haiku in Parallels on OS X (albeit, minus networking support because the ne2k driver doesn't work right with that emulated chip).

QEMU should work under OS X as well...

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Boot Camp?
by nevali on Sat 23rd Jun 2007 20:44 UTC
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2006-10-12

Surely you can run Haiku with Boot Camp?

(I've not tried, incidentally)

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RE: Boot Camp?
by zizban on Sat 23rd Jun 2007 21:00 UTC in reply to "Boot Camp?"
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2005-07-06

Boot Camp emulates a BIOS, which allows Windows XP to boot (Windows XP doesn't support EFI either) so I would assume Haiku would work but someone has to try it and see.

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Great Work Darkness
by mattst88 on Sat 23rd Jun 2007 21:54 UTC
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Great work Darkness. I sincerely hope you're able to pull off a functional driver for SkyFS/BeFS.

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Great strides
by Haicube on Sat 23rd Jun 2007 21:59 UTC
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2005-08-06

Haiku is doing tremendous progress... now what is really interesting is to see what Summer of Code brings us. Haiku has 8 projects (if I'm not mistaken) of which several will bring a great deal of functionality to the OS.

I wonder I wonder if Haiku R1 will be my X-mas present this year =). Likely not, but if there is a functional Beta I'm gonna be more than happy.

Good job everyone!

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RE: Great strides
by Valhalla on Sat 23rd Jun 2007 22:36 UTC in reply to "Great strides"
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2006-01-24

Haicube wrote:
"now what is really interesting is to see what Summer of Code brings us. Haiku has 8 projects (if I'm not mistaken) of which several will bring a great deal of functionality to the OS."

yes, André Braga has been doing some interesting blogging regarding the progress of the new thread scheduler over at haiku-os.org. Hopefully this along with the new revamped network stack will push Haiku a good step closer to r1.

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RE: Great strides
by zizban on Sun 24th Jun 2007 15:22 UTC in reply to "Great strides"
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My bet is a beta release by then. We're already in alpha releases.

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RE[2]: Great strides
by umccullough on Sun 24th Jun 2007 17:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Great strides"
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2006-01-26

We're already in alpha releases.

We are?

Last I checked (as in, right now), it was pre-alpha and no official releases...

Who told you there were alpha releases?

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Sabon
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2005-07-06

I went to Haiku's website and couldn't figure out which file to download.

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sukru Member since:
2006-11-19

I went to Haiku's website and couldn't figure out which file to download.


There is a blue "Downloads" box on the right. Click on it. And from the "VMware images" section choose an item.

Happy Easter Edition with Basic Network Support: Is probably a little bit more stable.

nightly builds: The bleeding edge out of latest tree builds.

Then you'll need a vmware player, I guess that part is simpler.

Have a nice Haiku experience!

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Wow... Opera on Haiku
by juno_106 on Sun 24th Jun 2007 02:24 UTC
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This is great! Opera has changed dramatically and has tons of new features, but it's still nice to see it on this platform. Kudos to the team.

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Haiku-OS
by OSGuy on Sun 24th Jun 2007 10:50 UTC
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I just tested Haiku using VMWare player and what can I say? I am very impressed. This is totally cool. Of course there are bugs such as the memory info dialog that shows I only have 256MB of RAM when I actually have 3GB instead but what has been done so far is impressive. Also Cortex freezes the OS (the Haiku one of course). Anyway, here are some screenshots of Haiku running under VMWare Player:

http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haikukg3.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haiku3nr8.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haiku4wm2.jpg

May be the memory thing is related with the fact that I am using a Virtual Machine...Just a guess...

Edited 2007-06-24 10:55

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RE: Haiku-OS
by mallard on Sun 24th Jun 2007 14:36 UTC in reply to "Haiku-OS"
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>May be the memory thing is related with the fact that I am using a Virtual Machine...Just a guess...

Yes, it will only show the amount of memory allocated to the VM.
As far as Haiku is concerned (or any OS running in a VM) the amount of RAM allocated to the VM is all that it can access. It doesn't know or care that it is running in a VM on a computer with 3GB.

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RE[2]: Haiku-OS
by OSGuy on Sun 24th Jun 2007 23:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Haiku-OS"
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2006-01-01

>> Yes, it will only show the amount of memory allocated to the VM.

I thought so. Thanks!

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RE: Haiku-OS in VMWare running 256
by SuperDaveOsbourne on Sun 24th Jun 2007 18:40 UTC in reply to "Haiku-OS"
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2007-06-24

By default the size of the VM ram allocation is 256. You can up it by going into the VMWare settings and then either save state, quit Haiku or just alter the .vmxx file yourself with any text editor. I'm up to 512, and think the documentation states that it can go up to 1.75 gigs without too much problem (funny, one would think that it should be able to go to terrabytes without problem).

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impressed too
by evert on Sun 24th Jun 2007 11:48 UTC
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2005-07-06

yes, i just tested haiku this morning with qemu and i am impressed by the speed, simplicity and cool looks.

unfortunately i tried to install firefox and the disk space on my image was too small. some kernel message, and rebooting the image results in an kernel debug screen :-(

some sort of auto-repair of protection against low disk space would be a nice touch. but overall i am really impressed by haiku. it's bootup time blasts away all other operating systems.

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Just want to add again
by OSGuy on Sun 24th Jun 2007 12:02 UTC
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2006-01-01

I just played around again. Honestly this is really cool. I *love* the look. I love the icons, the way the widgets look, the way it behaves, everything! Simply amazing. I also liked BeOS as much when I tested it a few times when Be existed. My only recommendation would be when moving the Be/taskbar menu on the bottom of the screen, when maximazing the windows, the windows should detect the taskbar and not overlap it just like KDE/Windows/Gnome do it otherwise you don't have access to the Be/Haiku menu when the window covers the taskbar.

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Running for past 24 hours...
by SuperDaveOsbourne on Sun 24th Jun 2007 18:45 UTC
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Edited 2007-06-24 18:52

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SuperDaveOsbourne Member since:
2007-06-24

Interesting on Mini Intel OS X with VMWare 1.0b3, I have Haiku (prealpha) running with multiple VM drives (copies of the original 100 meg drive) running. It is most definitely alpha ware at best, but it does run and looks promising (enough for me to flip these guys 30-50 USD as a gift out of my next check). If 1000 other folks that miss beos would do the same, it would be enough to fund/pay for 2 developers for 6-12 months (depending on their life style and abiltiies) and hopefully get even more stability and functionality and to a alpha/beta cycle. I am excited to see Google is able and willing to 'pay for' interns attracting 8 wouldbe engineers for the summer to work on Haiku. I expect to see quite a bit of goodness from all this. Very promising developments for Haiku. Now if I could only get Alexander's VNCServer to run properly on Haiku while in VMWare I'd be able to apply the tools I work with on a daily basis to build automation testing frameworks for the Haiku system from the perspective of the user experience. If someone wants to contact me about this, please do. I'd like to see VNCServer stable on Haiku with VMWare (or Parallels, we have licenses for both) as soon as possible.

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

I'd like to see VNCServer stable on Haiku with VMWare (or Parallels, we have licenses for both) as soon as possible.

When Hugo was working on the netstack, I had him fix a few protocol issues that were screwing up VNC - but ultimately there appears to be something busted/missing in the app_server somewhere that prevents it from working properly.

Hugo had told me that there were some possible plans to integrate VNC into Haiku (I guess he had heard someone mention that) - and so I gave up being as how any further attempts to get it working were probably not worth my trouble/time ;)

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SuperDaveOsbourne Member since:
2007-06-24

Of the many things that I believe should be integrated into the OS for deployment, VNC is definitely one of them. Either way, if there is dependency on the app_server, that needs to fixed obviously. I hope it gets all worked out, for I could use it and do some real damage in bringing some powerful functional GUI testing and regress to the platform overnight, literally.

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Another rudimentary Haiku screenshot
by Zenja on Mon 25th Jun 2007 02:26 UTC
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http://members.optusnet.com.au/zenja_solaja/haiku.png

Taken 6 weeks ago, but showing binary compatibility with BeOS R5.

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OSGuy Member since:
2006-01-01

Simply awesome! Long Live Haiku OS!

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Hm
by predictor on Mon 25th Jun 2007 17:57 UTC
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"Simply awesome! Long Live Haiku OS!"

Riiight. If it only would boot on my machines... (multicore is totally broken)

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RE: Hm
by umccullough on Mon 25th Jun 2007 18:24 UTC in reply to "Hm"
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2006-01-26

Riiight. If it only would boot on my machines... (multicore is totally broken)

I've heard some claim it works (sometimes), but many have reported issues with SMP.

In any case, nobody said it was in perfect working condition - as stated by some, it's amazing that it even works as well as it does with an incomplete ("broken") kernel.

Update: BTW, it might not be the kernel that is busted specifically - but possibly some bad drivers or pieces that haven't been coded properly to run in an SMP environment.

Edited 2007-06-25 18:25

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RE: Hm
by tonestone57 on Mon 25th Jun 2007 20:41 UTC in reply to "Hm"
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2005-12-31

Riiight. If it only would boot on my machines... (multicore is totally broken)

Well, what do you expect from a Pre Alpha OS ( not yet complete )?

Now, if it was Beta version then it would be a different story. :-)

It is nice to finally see Haiku progress but it still will take some time before getting to R1 and a release.

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RE: Hm
by Zenja on Mon 25th Jun 2007 21:15 UTC in reply to "Hm"
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2005-07-06

Check out the screenshot immediately above your post - that is on real multicore hardware (my hardware). This is actually the first time I hear the multicore doesn't work, and considering that I've seen screenshots of it working on over 50 boxes, I am more inclined to believe that you have another hardware issue which is preventing startup (I dont know, maybe Serial ATA or something).

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RE[2]: Hm
by umccullough on Tue 26th Jun 2007 00:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Hm"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Check out the screenshot immediately above your post - that is on real multicore hardware (my hardware).

Nice - I didn't see those shots ;)

In #haiku, it was mentioned that SMP support looks solid, but there may be a driver or some other core module that is failing due to timing issues at startup.

Without a Haiku kernel hacker having direct access to the hardware of course, it will be difficult to debug ;)

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RE[3]: Hm
by leavengood on Tue 26th Jun 2007 16:10 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Hm"
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2006-12-13

Without a Haiku kernel hacker having direct access to the hardware of course, it will be difficult to debug ;)

I'm not exactly a Haiku kernel hacker (yet), but I just bought a Dell Core 2 Duo desktop for specifically developing and testing Haiku. Right now I run Haiku in QEMU on Ubuntu Linux on this machine, but I'll probably create a small partition for testing Haiku soon. Of course the lack of SATA drivers might be a problem.

FYI the full Haiku image builds in 13 minutes on this machine :-D

On my old Celeron 1.33 GHz BeOS box it takes hours...

Ryan Leavengood

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RE[4]: Hm
by umccullough on Tue 26th Jun 2007 17:23 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Hm"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

FYI the full Haiku image builds in 13 minutes on this machine :-D

On my old Celeron 1.33 GHz BeOS box it takes hours...


Heh, Linux is a LOT faster at building Haiku than BeOS R5 is regardless of processor ;)

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