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That's the problem. The iPhone seems to be a US-only product for now. It might take some time until it shows up in stores in the rest of the world. I wish these large companies unleashed their products world-wide simultaneously. The iPhone looks pretty cool, I saw on the web that you can even watch a movie on it...

In the meantime, here's some fun :-)
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif

Apple stuff are quite fun to play with Appletv with macosx on it which produces a cheap mac

Well since iphone is true macosx maybe a bit stripped out of computer hardware features it makes things easier to install stuff i imagine.

Rumors that dont scare me off:
1. MMS feature , there is officially no Mms on the iphone but how hard would it be to make a 3rd part mms sender?

2.lack of 3g, so what? never used that network would probably be overestimated with its built in wifi:D

3. 3g circuits consume alot of power but you never know if someone will make a software solution to that.

For me playing midi files properly is the best in the phone its a proof of good soundchip , and i like that the phone has mp3 player seperately from ringtone midis
so music fades out and ringtone plays , after the call music smoothly fades in from where it got interrupted.

>3rd part mms sender?

Very. Impossible without an SDK. There are no companies I know that would pay the MMS price for you, just because the app can't "talk" to the phone to send an MMS.

Very. Impossible without an SDK. There are no companies I know that would pay the MMS price for you, just because the app can't "talk" to the phone to send an MMS.

Actually, this is not correct. The iPhone permits you to create a Javascript application with asynchronous http (AJAX in, other words). You could thus easilly build an MMS application using any gateway that support an HTTP interface (there are quite a few of those).

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I'm just waiting for a similar software solution that will upgrade my dial-up internet connection to DSLAM. There must be a piece of freeware out there?

Well we will see about it when iphone comes to europe , i heard mms isnt widely used in USA

"Well we will see about it when iphone comes to europe , i heard mms isnt widely used in USA"

Here in Germany, the mobile phone market is primarily targetted at youths from 10 years up. To them, the iPhone might look appealing, allthough it's too big (for their little fingers) and too expensive (for their parents). MMS is widely used to interchange video clips (especially on schoolyards where the clips show sex and violence). You think I've not got a very positive opinion about youths and mobile phones in Germany? You're right.

To commercial users, the iPhone might be interesting because it covers many important functionalities into a handy interface (form factor and GUI), so there might be a market.

I'm very excited how the iPhone starts selling in Germany. Will people sleep infront of the stores in order to get one? Or will it just reside in a niche of the shop (such as Apple computers sadly do) or will everyone want to have one?

By the way, mobile phones are called "Handy" in Germany. Have you got a Handy? No, my Handy is ringing! :-)

Edited 2007-06-30 15:13

your "appz" will be browser based. And probably suck compared to native running apps. I wish Apple would allow real programs to be programmable for the iPhone. Oh well, I don't plan on ever owning one Give me a Nokia brick or treo and day.

*any day...

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Apple employees have confirmed that carbon/cocoa programs (one of the two, I forget which) will soon be supported.

http://digg.com/apple/Third_Party_Cocoa_iPhone_Apps_Coming_Soon

oh ok, cool. I didn't know that. The iPhone might be good then

"your "appz" will be browser based. And probably suck compared to native running apps. I wish Apple would allow real programs to be programmable for the iPhone. Oh well, I don't plan on ever owning one Give me a Nokia brick or treo and day."


Yea.... I agree... How can we expect to get the flakey crash prone, virus infected garbage we are used to with our current hardwear if apple keeps prying fingers out of the iPhone Ecosystem! I mean seriously... i WILL NOT STAND for this quality user experience that they keep talking about!

Wow, pathetic attempt at sarcasm

Just because a vendor controls all aspects of a devices hardware/software does not mean it's going to be perfect. It doesn't mean jackshit if the provided software is lacking and/or unstable itself. Lots of people don't mind the occasional crash if they can enhance the devices features. My Treo hasn't had a crash/reset in over 2 months. Last time was because I loaded up an older game I used to play and it didn't sit well with the phone. And there really haven't been any 'viruses' for phones of any OS that I know of besides a few proof of concept things and some REALLY isolated 'worms' that would spread through BT.

Sure, the iPhone is great for people that don't need/want advanced features like say, an SSH client or nonweb based games or a keyboard that shows lower case AND caps when you hit shift (I can't believe they didn't do a shifting keyboard on the iPhone. I hope a ROM upgrade fixes that 'feature'...). It would be great for my sister who just wants a 'phone' that happens to have a few cool features.

Hell, I'm in canada, and no sign of the phone in our stores.

Although hopefully when it goes international, we will get a better provider then AT&T, which is pretty much the worst in america.

I remember seeing somewhere that this 1st generation will be on US GSM bands only (1900, 900?), which is why it's not due to be in europe (1800) or canada (was it 1850?) for a while.

no. The box clearly states that it is quad-band GSM.

The only provider in Canada that can accept the iPhone is Rogers, which I've heard lots of horror stories with them.

Actually, Canada needs more mobile competition. The only GSM provider here is Rogers (Rogers brought Fido), so not a lot of choice (Telus and Bell uses CDMA).

Plus, the iPhone is locked with an integrated sim card. Quite unusual for a GSM phone, which can be compared to a CDMA phone. Which means you can't unlock it and use it with another provider by changing the sim card.

Unless you reinstall OSX

If it is in fact true that the iPhone is locked to an integrated sim card (I've read conflicting reports on this) then that is something that they'll have to fix before they start selling to europe. In many countries it is illegal to sell locked phones and in others the phone must be unlockable for a service fee.

While I have also seen the conflicting reports, from forum conversations, it's starting to look more and more like it is completely locked in its current incarnation. I'm guessing that the European version may be unlockable, but that the process would require actually tacking the phone to a store in Europe, or in the case of iTunes, have a credit card with a European billing address the way they limit the various iTunes media stores.

Unfortunately i found out that they blocked OSX from running programs , but since its iphone we have ipodlinux distro that maybe will become iphonelinux. Or in best cases someone will release a crack that people will apply for running shiira and other osx software.
This Safari lockdown reminds me alot of Internet Explorer and active desktop its the worst you can do with the Os so i demand i run the OS of my choice on iphone.

Edited 2007-07-02 04:54

hehe reminds me of sweden rock festival but without the whiskey and partytents
But i'm getting one anyway. the phone sences when you turn it and turns itself that means alot...

Edited 2007-06-30 01:51

It is more than a phone. That's where the market goes. Saying that something is "just a phone" is not true anymore. Not in this day and age.

But the point he was trying to make (I assume) is all this hype really warrented for a device which is merely a glorified phone? I mean, it does 100s of things in a half assed manner.

I remember purchasing an expensive phone through Vodafone - it was a complete joke, 100s of features each crappier than the last. The sound quality of the mp3 player was abismal, the '3G' speed, I can assure you, I wasn't feeling the 'G' when surfing, or more like, crawling the web.

Don't get me started on the quality of the signal. I'm sitting smack bang in the middle of Christchurch CBD and the signal is crappy at best.

I've since sold that, got my self an el-cheapo $179 CDMA flip-phone Sanyo through TelecomNZ, and have not had a single problem yet. Crystal clear signal, fast internet speeds - all this from an elcheapo phone.

The storage - maxes out at 8GB IIRC, sorry to rain on anyones parade, but if I were to replace an ipod with that, I would expect minimum that it allows me to explain beyond 8GB using standard SD cards or otherwise I might as well just stick to owning an iPod and phone seperately.

Sure, there will be giddy school girls out there skipping off all excited about this new gizmo, but for most of us bitter old farts like me, we've seen this crap come and go; the youngsters slirp down the kool aide only to find indigestian is soon to follow once they find out the limitations of it.

Somebody who understands!

I mean, it is a phone and a PDA and it gets massive news coverage.

If people want one, no skin off my nose. I just don't get all the press for a phone.

I would mod you up but... I bought one, and you are just wrong. I don't feel a need to explain why. Go see for yourself.

I'm wrong? It is not a phone?

It's a PDA (in fact it's a little Mac*) not just a phone



* running Mac OS X using a different user interface because of the small form factor

What I'm wondering is if it still uses the Darwin kernel. It just doesn't seem like something that would scale down to such small devices. What's also interesting is that the next generation iPod is also supposed to run a scaled down version of OS X too.

Good question (IMHO)
Will Leopard be running the Darwin/XNU kernel ?

This contradicts with the fact that Leopard will be fully UNIX compliant
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/technology/unix.html
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU

I guess we'll know everything about it only when it's released ...
Running the same O.S. (and kernel for that matter) from iPod to XServe only simplifies things for Apple !

The kernel itself doesn't really determine if it can officially be called Unix compliant. Even Windows could be made Unix compliant.

It sounds like a pleasant, uncrowded, unrushed experience, visiting a store on the evening of the launch. Drop by, take 45 minutes to play with a demo phone, people wander in and buy them, others wander in and try them, don't buy them.

Were they serving coffee?

Interesting. Very interesting.

Of course, this was the evening of the launch. Would you consider going back at the same time next week and give us an update on how crowded it is then? It will probably take a while for the buying frenzy to build up. One imagines that next Friday it will be impossible to get in. Lines running around the block and one or two hour waits, stock running low....

Yes, that's what it will be like.

"Of course, this was the evening of the launch. Would you consider going back at the same time next week and give us an update on how crowded it is then?"

Well, I've got three Apple stores near me in Seattle (and Bellevue) and I've NEVER seen them without quite a few people in them. This was --before-- the iPhone launch. Quite a few being at least 10 people in the Apple mini store in the south end (South Center) mall and at least 20 people at the one near the University of Washington college and the one in the mall in Bellevue, WA. Obviously you've never been in an Apple store.

That's just silly. The iPhone is not a revolution in every way imaginable, but it is a revolution in so many ways that it is justified to call it a revolutionary device. The interface is a phenomenal improvement, allowing far more power and ease of use. For example, Safari completely dominates the Blackberry's web browser. Admittedly, if you're not in a WiFi hotspot, it's slower, but EDGE has some advantages too. It consumes less power, the chips are smaller and most importantly, EDGE is ubiquitous while 3G is immature with far smaller coverage.

The whole package together is impressive. It is not about any status symbol it is about REWARDING INNOVATION and having a really cool convergent device that actually does what it claims with no headaches. I guess the mouse was no revolution either, after all, you can do almost everything with the keyboard too. Word, managing files, etc. changed in the way they were used, not so much in their features.

Except that iPhone's browser is just a blatant rip-off of Nokia S60 browser which has been available for at least a year. And in addition Opera has had a very very similar browser available for any Java supporting phone for a few weeks now (and to remind you, iPhone doesn't support Java or any other programming language or platform at all; by the way, the last one of my phones which didn't support Java programs was made in 2000).

I wouldn't call iPhone revolutionary. Sure it's one hell of a good-looking device which has plenty of great features but yet it is only a collection of ideas which have been implemented before. All that Apple did was to gather these ideas and put them into a very very sleek looking package.

"Except that iPhone's browser is just a blatant rip-off of Nokia S60 browser which has been available for at least a year."

Unbelievable!!!!! I love watching fools physically inserting both feet in their mouths! Does'nt the S60 run a "web kit" based browser? Hum? i wonder who created Web Kit?

while 3G is immature with far smaller coverage.

not here in europe..

"Reminds me of a RAZR" & "And, as someone else already said, it's not a very impressive device." & "The blackberry was the revolution"

LOL.... i have just one question. Are you an Ostrich?

A witty retort, I bow to your genius. I have one question in response: Can you come up with anything intelligent to ask?

"A witty retort, I bow to your genius. I have one question in response: Can you come up with anything intelligent to ask?"


Yea... I do! are you an ostrich?

Wifis arnt dying here in Sweden , free public wifi points are found just about everywhere , with the iphone it will be even more fun to trace them up and find a fine spot

3g on the other hand is good if you have unlimited supply of cash .

But most of all is that im getting the Iphone because its
not really a phone its an advanced computer that is programmed to behave like a phone .

Edited 2007-06-30 06:16

The iPhone is for peoples who own too much money.

So how much money is too much? Is having money left over after rent is paid and basic food bought too much? If you also have money to go out eat on occasion or see a concert or take a holiday is that too much?

I'm only asking because I'm grad student with a fairly minimal income and I could afford an iPhone if I wanted to. Sure it would mean some sacrifices, but it's not like I'd starve to death. The iPhone may be one the more expensive phones on the markets, but when compared to laptops, dv cameras and high end digital cameras it's a fairly cheap piece of consumer electronics.

There are a lot of other things that might not make your life happier. Like your car, or even the OLPC. Wouldn't the OLPC get little kids glued to their small computers when they could be playing?
That is not the point here. The point is the evolution of technology, building a better product.

Not the OLPC per say, but the ASUS Eee PC could play a major role in my next mobie web/email purchase with its low price and small size.

As if many 3rd world kids just pop out to the street and play with their friends…

As for evolution: it's years late.

The stock market next week and next month will surely tell the final story?

The current price of AAPL discounts very strong iPhone sales. If the price takes off again post-launch, the sales will have turned out to be even stronger than forecast. That would be a true business phenomenon, once in a lifetime. Amazing. If it craters, we will know the thing is a bust.

I'm sceptical. Like Thom, I can't see why sales should exceed the hype, or even match it. But we'll find out together. Apple or SJ may know something we don't.

Interesting times coming. Looking forward to Leopard, as well.

As I put in the title of my post, I don't get it.

I say "It is a phone". And people jump on me. "It is more than just a phone! It is a PDA!"

woopee.

It is a phone and a PDA. So what...

I've used the iTunes on Mororola phones, and it's not much more real iTunes other than the fact that it can play protected iTunes content. The e-mail client and especially the web browser are quite weak. Also, while the touch screen keyboard may not be as good as a Blackberry but it a hell of a lot better than a regular phone keypad. While there are many phones that individuals may be able to argue are as good as or better in some ways than the iPhone, but that's not one.

it was sarcasm. sorry, it was wasted.

Hard to tell around here some times. There are people who would argue your point seriouly.