Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 26th Jul 2007 16:01 UTC, submitted by Bink
OpenBSD "The OpenBSD Foundation is pleased to announce today it has completed its organization as a Canadian federal non-profit corporation and is ready for public interaction. The OpenBSD Foundation has been formed for the purpose of supporting the OpenBSD project, and related projects such as OpenSSH, OpenBGPD, OpenNTPD, and OpenCVS. In particular it will act as a single point of contact for persons and organizations requiring a legal entity to deal with when they wish to support OpenBSD in any way."
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Very good!
by w00dst0ck on Thu 26th Jul 2007 16:36 UTC
w00dst0ck
Member since:
2006-02-01

Congrats to the OpenBSD community. I personal don't use it but I use FreeBSD and I've always respected and kept a close watch of the going on's over at the OpenBSD camp. I even bought one of the install cd's a while back to help out when the funding was at an all time low.

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RE: Very good!
by Joe User on Thu 26th Jul 2007 17:11 UTC in reply to "Very good!"
Joe User Member since:
2005-06-29

Yeah, why not. I also bought a CD set two years ago when they desperately asked for money. I was never able to install it, even with the help of the leaflet, the online documentation and the rather unfriendly bitter community of the mailing list. I still have the CD set somewhere in the dust. I don't see much future in this project, especially that alternatives are secure enough for most people and companies. I don't know how long this project will survive.

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RE[2]: Very good!
by Tuishimi on Thu 26th Jul 2007 17:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Very good!"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

There's is nothing worse that rude people when you need help. I had been using the IO language to write a library of generic object storage in a SQLite database. I was using 200605XX version, all worked well. I had written thousands of lines of code, it was pretty huge and very flexible.

Then I upgraded to the 200607XX version... it stopped working. It use to scan the modules and preload the necessary built-in references, but that behavior changed so that you had to explicitly reference them to load them before instantiation.

So I posted a note asking if this was intentional or if it was a bug and one of the developers literally started swearing at me and calling me names?!?!?! I was like "What the heck?! I was just asking a yes or no question" and he's telling me to f*ck off.

So I got mad and threw away all that code and removed IO from my system. Not the best response on my part after all that work (dipstick that I am).

But just because he was having a really bad day, he spread it to me and everyone else on the board that day.

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RE[3]: Very good!
by Lengsel on Thu 26th Jul 2007 18:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Very good!"
Lengsel Member since:
2006-04-19

I am honestly a staunch BSD supporter, but prefer Open over Free. I am not a daily user of them, but I use them, I use openSUSE mostly at the moment. But even though I'm a far far cry from any kind of an engineer or developer, I don't know any programming languages only some commands, I am also not willing to talk with most open source people, because of exactly your experience. I am a get-to-the-point kind of person, with other things too not just computing, so I've noticed over the years you have to be very careful who you ask, because people seem to feel such a strong need to bring their opinions into everything. So although it might sound like I'm arrogant or anti-social, it's because I'm honestly not interested in hearing anybody's opinion when I'm asking a technical question, when it's not a philosophical discussion, since opinions don't help in any way in how to operate a system. If someone asks me anything, I do my best to give them to the info they need to fully answer their question. When I ask a technical question, I would greatly prefer a technical answer, and if the end result of the answer sounds like I'm going to turn my system into a ticking time bomb, that's fine, because I can work with that, but opinions and rants I can't do anything with. So I understand exactly what you're saying, and so I've learned to just learn and research everything on my own with open source stuff, the majority of people don't interest me. I would have to say Theo is one for the few people I've ever had discussions with that gives a fully informative answer. I honestly don't know his opinion on a lot of things, he just answers so straight, so he's one of the few I enjoy talking with whenever I do because he is never irate with his answers, just very practical.

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RE[3]: Very good!
by Oliver on Thu 26th Jul 2007 19:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Very good!"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

>So I posted a note asking if this was intentional

Show a proof, it's easy with gmane.org for example.

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RE[4]: Very good!
by Tuishimi on Thu 26th Jul 2007 21:24 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Very good!"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

It was on their chat channel. Don't know how I would do that. But why should I lie? ;)

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RE[2]: Very good!
by inetman on Thu 26th Jul 2007 17:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Very good!"
inetman Member since:
2006-05-30


Yeah, why not. I also bought a CD set two years ago when they desperately asked for money. I was never able to install it, even with the help of the leaflet, the online documentation and the rather unfriendly bitter community of the mailing list. I still have the CD set somewhere in the dust. I don't see much future in this project, especially that alternatives are secure enough for most people and companies. I don't know how long this project will survive.

Are projecting your own incompetence on a project you
might be able to participate from?

I used OpenBSD once in a while and of course, it's not shiny, brushed steel as my Mac OS X. But it's perfectly to develop and run secure server applications.

Regards

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RE[2]: Very good!
by Oliver on Thu 26th Jul 2007 19:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Very good!"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Every minute a troll is born and every minute BSD dies since 1977 :-)

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RE[2]: Very good!
by Soulbender on Fri 27th Jul 2007 03:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Very good!"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"I was never able to install it, even with the help of the leaflet, the online documentation and the rather unfriendly bitter community of the mailing list. I still have the CD set somewhere in the dust."

And here we enter bullshitland. I have never since I started using OpenBSD (back in the days of 2.8) had a problem with the community. Sure, there are rude people and people who have bad days and give rude replies but that's how life is and that happens on every mailinglist. I've had my head chewed off by Theo on occasion but since I have managed to grow up I can take it for what it is and not let it get to me.
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. Welcome to life.
People do this on their spare time and most people have more interesting things to do with their life than answering the same questions over and over again from people who havent even tried solving the problem themselves. (Come on, how hard is it to use Google?)

Maybe your failure to install OpenBSD reflects more on your competence and ability to read clearly written documentation than it does on OpenBSD.

"I don't see much future in this project, especially that alternatives are secure enough for most people and companies. I don't know how long this project will survive"

Yadda yadda yadda.

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RE[5]: Very good!
by BSDfan on Fri 27th Jul 2007 00:18 UTC
BSDfan
Member since:
2007-03-14

@Tuishimi, There is no official "OpenBSD chat channel"..

Don't judge OpenBSD based on something you experienced in an "unofficial" community chat room.

My guess you visited one of the several IRC chat rooms - Those aren't official..

Use the official mailing lists!

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RE[6]: Very good!
by Chuck Norris on Fri 27th Jul 2007 10:18 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Very good!"
Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

There is no official "OpenBSD chat channel"

Who cares if the Freenode #openbsd channel isn't "official". Does Theo the Rat consider it's a security breach?

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RE[6]: Very good!
by Soulbender on Fri 27th Jul 2007 10:27 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Very good!"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"@Tuishimi, There is no official "OpenBSD chat channel".. "

He wasnt really talking about OpenBSd at all but about some IO library that had an, at least that day, unfriendly developer.

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Corporate Donations
by BSDfan on Fri 27th Jul 2007 00:23 UTC
BSDfan
Member since:
2007-03-14

At least now, Large companies that make use of OpenSSH and/or OpenBSD can make donations.

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RE: Corporate Donations
by Vonskippy on Fri 27th Jul 2007 05:35 UTC in reply to "Corporate Donations"
Vonskippy Member since:
2005-07-10

Um...no. It's a Not-For-Profit. Which means no tax deductions.

Corp's either donate to Nonprofits (and get a write off) or hire a consultant/developer (and get an expense). They don't just piss their money away for a worthless receipt.

No clue why these people were chosen to setup the foundation (probably the only ones who would do it without skimming tooooooooo much for themselves in "operating overhead").

If you can't take the time to figure out how to setup a Nonprofit - why bother (it's a simple 3 meetings + a couple hours of paper shuffling + a handful of redtape fees and voila! you're a 501(c)3

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RE[2]: Corporate Donations
by Soulbender on Fri 27th Jul 2007 06:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Corporate Donations"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"It's a Not-For-Profit. Which means no tax deductions."
"Corp's either donate to Nonprofits (and get a write off) or hire a consultant/developer (and get an expense)."

So, uh, do they get a write off or not when donating to non-profits?

"No clue why these people were chosen to setup the foundation (probably the only ones who would do it without skimming tooooooooo much for themselves in "operating overhead"). "

There's nothing like unsubstantiated insinuations, is there?

"(it's a simple 3 meetings + a couple hours of paper shuffling + a handful of redtape fees and voila! you're a 501(c)3"

You realize that OpenBSD is in Canada and that the process and requirements may be very different from where you live, right?

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RE[3]: Corporate Donations
by Chuck Norris on Fri 27th Jul 2007 10:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Corporate Donations"
Chuck Norris Member since:
2007-03-24

You realize that OpenBSD is in Canada and that the process and requirements may be very different from where you live, right?

Now, this is priceless. You just replied to an average American who thinks there's nothing beyond the American border.

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upstanding
by DrAk0 on Fri 27th Jul 2007 05:48 UTC
DrAk0
Member since:
2006-08-15

Is good to see how a project with not even the 25% of Linux's users/developers and economic help, keep its work and do it right, delivering a rock-solid, very featured S.O and APPs. Is good see how they try to expand. Keep it up OpenBSD team.

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