Linked by David Adams on Wed 1st Aug 2007 06:25 UTC
Apple I was there, the first day, buying the iPhone, after months of reading all the speculation and argument about it. I was actually on the fence on it. When I walked into the Apple store on June 29th, I wasn't even certain that I'd be buying the iPhone. I had some serious concerns. But I made the plunge. I bought it, and I've been using it heavily ever since. With one month clocked with the iPhone, here's my road test report.
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headphones
by Eugenia on Wed 1st Aug 2007 06:52 UTC
Eugenia
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2005-06-28

I just hope they fix the headphone's jack which is so receded that most 3.5mm headphones can't be connected to the iPhone. My (and apparently many other people's) ears are small, so I can't use the included headphones and this either design bug or design decision makes the iPhone useless for me, at least as an iPod. I can't use any of that kind of in-ear headphones, they just fall off and I have documented this issue on my blog last year. According to google searches that lead to my blog about this issue, it seems that a LOT of people with smaller ears can't use these earphones that come with most mp3 players. I need over-the-head or around-the-head/ear headphones and while there will surely be some that are compatible with the iPhone, I am not interested in buying garbage headphones just to be compatible with the iphone, neither I want to use anything different than the three very good (and expensive) Sony headphones that I already own and usually use with my devices. So, if Apple never fixes the headphones problem (which I dare say it was a marketing design decision because they want people to use the "white headphones" which is a virtual trademark of the iPod), they won't see a dime from me. Let alone the third party applications limitation.

Edited 2007-08-01 06:59

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v RE: headphones
by Prometheus on Wed 1st Aug 2007 12:11 UTC in reply to "headphones"
RE[2]: headphones
by raver31 on Wed 1st Aug 2007 12:27 UTC in reply to "RE: headphones"
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2005-07-06

Clearly sir, you must have no taste.

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RE[3]: headphones
by Chicken Blood on Wed 1st Aug 2007 18:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: headphones"
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2005-12-21

Clearly sir, you must have no taste.

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RE[3]: headphones
by Moochman on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 02:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: headphones"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

sir?

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RE: headphones
by magick on Wed 1st Aug 2007 12:25 UTC in reply to "headphones"
magick Member since:
2005-08-29

Why don't you just cut off jack from original/supplied headphones and rewire it (solder) to your favorite one?

I see your point, and you're absolutely right, but that shouldn't stop you from using iPhone, or any such device for that metter.

I personally couldn't care less about iPhone... but that is just me.

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RE[2]: headphones
by renox on Wed 1st Aug 2007 13:57 UTC in reply to "RE: headphones"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

I find your suggestion quite funny: are you aware that the number of people who know how to do soldering and who have the equipment for this is *tiny*?

Heck, I wasn't even taught soldering in my engineering school, even though it was a school about electronic, electricity and computer science..

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RE: headphones
by jcgf on Wed 1st Aug 2007 19:49 UTC in reply to "headphones"
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2005-11-14

Belkin makes an adapter for standard headphones, but it's a little inconvenient.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/07/01/hands-on-with-belkins-ipho...

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RE[2]: headphones
by Eugenia on Wed 1st Aug 2007 20:11 UTC in reply to "RE: headphones"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

That adapter is terrible. It's rigid instead of being soft, and so it makes the ability of shoving the iphone in your pockets almost impossible.

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RE: headphones
by badtz on Tue 7th Aug 2007 07:34 UTC in reply to "headphones"
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2005-06-29

Supposedly, the recessed design of the headphone port is because they wanted to maintain the curvature of the edges of the phone, which prevents the jack itself from being flushed to the edge.

Either way, there's many ways to add an adapter to the port to allow any headphone to fit. Even apple's headphone adapter for their iPod shuffle Sport Case fits PERFECTLY, and these can be picked up for very cheap everywhere [ebay, amazon, etc] ;)

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I forgot about the headphone thing
by David on Wed 1st Aug 2007 07:18 UTC
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1997-10-01

Yeah, that's annoying. I think that, if Apple doesn't get a clue about the recessed headphone thing, what's likely to happen is that headphone manufacturers are just going to start making their jacks narrower to fit. There was just no reason to recess the headphone jack, though.

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europe iphone
by roger merriman on Wed 1st Aug 2007 08:14 UTC
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2007-08-01

i think it will be intresting to see what apple does when it launches in Europe.

without MMS (not every one has a email address and not in the pub thats for sure) and it needs 3G once you've used 3G going back is unlikely. google maps uses a lot. and wifi bar very central london isn't going to cut it.

GPS is a good idea my and other phones can run sat nav programs very handy tool.

push email not sure it's not really in that market i would say.

this market is the home turf of lion of the group nokia, apple has correctly targeted that smart phones weakness is their useless UI but it really needs the smart chips as well.

hopefully apple is just being quiet and the iphone will get these before it comes over here.

as for the headphones i one of those odd folk who the white buds work very well for...

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RE: europe iphone
by Kroc on Wed 1st Aug 2007 09:22 UTC in reply to "europe iphone"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

The iPhone is so crippled it's not even funny. They had better buck up their ideas for the UK. MMS is king here, people do not want to email every single picture, they want to send them directly to other phones. 3G is also common, and WiFi access is available in many areas.

What's more, tying it to one carrier and having a ridiculous contract just will not sell in numbers anywhere approaching that of the US.

I suspect that Apple will go ahead anyway, and just not speak of the UK iPhone market, /ever/.

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RE[2]: europe iphone
by puenktchen on Wed 1st Aug 2007 10:34 UTC in reply to "RE: europe iphone"
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2007-07-27

> They had better buck up their ideas for the UK. MMS is king here, people do not want to email every single picture, they want to send them directly to other phones

i think i have had mms-capable phones since about six years, and i've send one mms and got probably two or three in all the years. so i'd say mms is dead, at least here in germany. most people aren't even able to configure their phone correctly in order to use mms, an they are far to expensive anyway.

i found some numbers: 116 mil. mms vs. 23 bil. sms were send in 2004 in germany. so you could say that the average user did send one sms per day and one mms per year.

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RE[3]: europe iphone
by sappyvcv on Wed 1st Aug 2007 11:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: europe iphone"
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2005-07-06

MMS is dead because you don't use it? Huh?

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headphones
by REM2000 on Wed 1st Aug 2007 08:53 UTC
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2006-07-25

i do agree that for something that is supposed to be a full ipod aswell as a phone, you can't plug in your own headphones seems a massive oversight, for a company which prides itself on small details.

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RE: headphones
by Eugenia on Wed 1st Aug 2007 09:00 UTC in reply to "headphones"
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2005-06-28

IMO, it was not an oversight. It was marketing guerrilla tactics. It is free marketing for them having most people wearing their trademarked "white" earphones. It's free advertisement and they shoved that down our throat... erm, ears.

Edited 2007-08-01 09:01

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RE[2]: headphones
by binarycrusader on Wed 1st Aug 2007 13:33 UTC in reply to "RE: headphones"
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2005-07-06

I'm not sure I believe that. I thought they made the jack recessed so that it would be more difficult to accidentally disconnect the headphones, and it would look better. I'm not keen on conspiracy theories.

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Push mail
by navaraf on Wed 1st Aug 2007 09:12 UTC
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2005-07-08

I admit I didn't read the full article, but the mention of push mail caught my attention. As a person working in the e-mail software industry I can assure you that RIM Blackberry is not the only attempt at push e-mail. There are at least two other ones and both of them are considered open standards.

The first one is an effort of the IETF group called Lemonade (http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/lemonade-charter.html) which tries to extend existing e-mail protocols to be more friendly for the mobile environment. The efforts are backed by some big names as Nokia, Isode, Sun, Oracle and others. Parts of these technologies have already been standardized and others are still being worked on, but the important part is that there exist few server products supporting them and at least one mobile client developed by Nokia.

The other effort on this front is that by Open Mobile Alliance who maintain the SyncML standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncML). Basically their method is to use the OMA Data Synchronization protocol version 1.2, which supports push notifications and synchronize e-mail over that. I don't know about any products supporting that, but it's possible at least in theory.

My point is that if Apple wants to add push mail support they actually have at least three choices of how to approach the problem (Lemonade, OMA SyncML and RIM Blackberry). I can only hope that they don't go the proprietary way and choose one of the open standards, but well ... future will tell.

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RE: Push mail
by c24chan on Wed 1st Aug 2007 13:42 UTC in reply to "Push mail"
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2007-08-01

>The other effort on this front is that by Open Mobile >Alliance who maintain the SyncML standard >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncML). Basically their >method is to use the OMA Data Synchronization protocol >version 1.2, which supports push notifications and >synchronize e-mail over that. I don't know about any >products supporting that, but it's possible at least in >theory.

http://www.nexthaus.com/

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RE: Push mail
by Moochman on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 02:23 UTC in reply to "Push mail"
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2005-07-06

If anyone here watched Jobs' iPhone keynote, you'll remember that push mail WAS announced for the iPhone, but only via Yahoo!--supposedly IMAP based, too, which is odd considering they still don't offer IMAP e-mail on the desktop(!) Also kind of odd considering that Google has their own iPhone tie-ins and yet hasn't come up with their own push-email solution.

I searched the web and found out that apparently the Yahoo! push email works, although some people have had issues with it:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305882
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070712214530AAiS4Vw
http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2007/07/18/yahoo-push-email-for-iphone-n...

For anyone that already uses Yahoo! Mail, this is a no-brainer. For other people, maybe not as much. Will users switch away from their GMail or what-have-you just to have push capabilities on their iPhones? Well, they were willing to switch to AT&T....

FYI I use Yahoo! Mail myself on the web (alas not on an iPhone ;) ) and can at least testify that it's got quite a decent AJAX-based webmail client, as long as you're not using Konqueror or a pre-1.5 version of Firefox, in which case it blocks you from accessing it. I still wish I could use it in Thunderbird via IMAP, though.

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400 charges
by sogroig on Wed 1st Aug 2007 09:29 UTC
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2007-08-01

I think when they say the battery is for 400 charges it means full charges. And for li-ion batteries it is better not to let the battery discharge fully too often. I say this because the article seems to assume otherwise.

Edited 2007-08-01 09:30

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RE: 400 charges
by UFOGoldorak on Wed 1st Aug 2007 14:09 UTC in reply to "400 charges"
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2006-12-15

Your battery does not die out after 400 charges you just lose about 20% of its ja'uice..

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i-What? ;-)
by TBPrince on Wed 1st Aug 2007 11:38 UTC
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2005-07-06

Wow! Adam, you probably love Apple for unknown reason to end up your review with "The iPhone is a great device, that, despite the shortcomings I've cataloged here is a more elegant, usable, and arguably more useful tool than anything else on the market.", after 7 pages full of things which are bad about this gadget. Don't get me wrong: I think your review is balanced and honest but I think you were a bit scared to say what you really meant, in the end. It was very inteteresting to read your review and I got to know many things I didn't know about this phone.

But let's face it: this i-Phone is a joke. Sorry... it's an EXPENSIVE joke. And I'm not surprised EU carriers refused it. Just to start, an EDGE phone in 2007 is a joke for EU customers. We have a very few phones which are EDGE enabled here and they mostly sell in the 49-89 range. Guess what? Those are acient model (unsold and in stores) and you can buy a 3G phone here for 69. Hell, you could buy a Nokia N75 for 199 ! No MMS? What? No 3G? What? 400 charges? What? No replaceable battery? What?? If Apple wants to steal my money, at least put a sticker "We're going to steal your money... please, don't struggle..."

Not only this phone is technically inferior to common EU models (besides the fancy UI and touch-thing), but it is also deeply crippled (and it's not hard to undestand why: Apple would like to sell services in a near future). And it's not that I don't like to spend my money (I spent 800 for my smartphone).

Hell, if this is ok for US mobile market, I'd say that market is struck to 2002...

Sorry to say: this is an i-Joke...

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RE: i-What? ;-)
by renox on Wed 1st Aug 2007 14:03 UTC in reply to "i-What? ;-)"
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2005-07-06

I agree, but I think that it will be even worse in Japan, which started 3G and which has always the best phone.

I wonder if Apple will even try to sell the i-Phone in Javan..

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RE[2]: i-What? ;-)
by TomB7 on Wed 1st Aug 2007 15:32 UTC in reply to "RE: i-What? ;-)"
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2006-01-03

They'll move a ton of iPhones in Japan (and the EU, for that matter). You can't expect to have every little feature in a 1.0 release. When the iPhone adds 3G at a future point it will simply further humiliate Nokia, MOT, LG and the others.

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RE[3]: i-What? ;-)
by TBPrince on Wed 1st Aug 2007 16:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: i-What? ;-)"
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2005-07-06

They'll move a ton of iPhones in Japan (and the EU, for that matter). You can't expect to have every little feature in a 1.0 release. When the iPhone adds 3G at a future point it will simply further humiliate Nokia, MOT, LG and the others.

I wouldn't call "a little feature" those problems that Adam talked about. Plus, I don't think Apple can change iPhone design so easily as many think and as of now, EU carriers refused it.

Don't get me wrong: Apple is not dumb. Limitations they put in aren't by chance but were designed for their own purposes. Take battery: they know that, if battery could be replaceable, a big unofficial market of non-Apple batteries will have flourished, as it happens for all phones on the market. So they made it non-replaceable to force you to send Phone in to change it. Is that wise? Sure, for them! But I don't think customers will like that.

I expect iPhone having hard times. Take myself: to sell an iPhone to me, they would need to change 70% of it (save touch-screen, save big flash and... nothing more!). I agree I'm not an average user but also consider that average users will pay their phones 100-200 and they will have more than iPhone!

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RE[4]: i-What? ;-)
by ntl_ on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 05:35 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: i-What? ;-)"
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2005-07-09

Having some actual experience in product mechanical and electrical design, I can tell you that often times user replaceable batteries come with some serious tradeoffs in terms of size/sleekness of the mechanical assembly.

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RE[2]: i-What? ;-)
by TBPrince on Wed 1st Aug 2007 16:40 UTC in reply to "RE: i-What? ;-)"
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2005-07-06

It will very hard. First of all, it will take time to modify iPhone. Many people give this as easy to accomplish but IMO it's not true. You can't easily trash a design and put up another one.

Plus, Apple had a bad history in asian market. Remember when Apples were the only PCs which weren't able to display japanese chars? It won't be easy to ship such product to Japan expecially when crafted like this. Better to avoid than fail: Apple's myth could be affected.

We'll see what happens.

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RE: i-What? ;-)
by Moochman on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 02:26 UTC in reply to "i-What? ;-)"
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2005-07-06

When did we switch to a mod-system with more than 5 points? Is there any kind of maximum in place now? I know this is OT, but I'm just kind of shocked to suddenly notice this...

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RE: i-What? ;-)
by ntl_ on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 05:33 UTC in reply to "i-What? ;-)"
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2005-07-09

Apple's strongest suit has always been in designing human interfaces that people are not only willing to use but *enjoy* using.

The iPhone is the most enjoyable to use mobile phone/media player/web/mail/pda I have ever used, and I've used several.

Features are nice, but thanks to the multi touch gestures web browsing on the iPhone is not the frustrating and prohibiting experience it is on other devices. So, while multitudes of other phones have web browsers as a 'feature,' the iPhone is the only one which presents that feature in a form I can use.

GPRS seems to perform to me about as well as a well-behaving 56k modem. Browsing is pretty slow, but not horrible. I usually have an 802.11 connection anyways.

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Thoughts
by JCooper on Wed 1st Aug 2007 11:39 UTC
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2005-07-06

As a heavy UK mobile user, I have watched the news surrounding the iPhone with great interest. The write up here is very good, and I appreciate the detail and thought that went into it.

I can't help but think we're looking at the iPhone from the wrong (perhaps marketing-driven) perspective. Reading through all the shortcomings, it is painfully easy to see that the iPhone is an iPod with phone and value add features added, not a featureful phone with iPod features added.

This is its achilles heel, along with Apple's resolution to not open it up and let it be a truly popular device. I fear it's going to be another iPod - trendy, but with better alternatives.

As for the comments about MMS above... I probably send around 10-15 a month, and receive a similar number. I am a pretty average user when it comes to mobiles and would expect usage to be similar amongst my peers (uk twenty-something career people). Excluding MMS and 3G access (that we in the UK enjoy quite cheaply) from the iPhone is a HUGE mistake, and something that will really impact its adoption in the UK if not rectified.

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I'll stick with my blackjack
by hollovoid on Wed 1st Aug 2007 12:48 UTC
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2005-09-21

Its nice to see a review on this phone that isn't violently one way or the other. I am definitely glad I did not buy it though. My phone released last year does most of the things that the iphone does not. And it doesn't have the foolish 400 charges and your shot deal on the battery, but as a side note, after working for a battery company for over 5 years apple may be at a disadvantage building the iphones in california, and may have to do with why the battery is so crippled.

let me explain.

California, not to flame, thinks that they know better than everybody, so they set up a second standard of Hazardous waste import rules from the rest of the country. So when we ship to energizer which is in california, we have to use a less capable electrolyte in our batteries, because of the arsenic in our standard electrolyte. This drops the ccv and ocv level in the battery and causes for a high failure rate in production and in the field. This electrolyte is also like sludge in comparison, so it does not soak through the separator (shutdown/insulation mechanism inside the battery) nor does it soak into the cathode properly making for less capacity and recharge capabilites.

Now im not sure if this is why apple is having these troubles, but I know that is why our energizer lithium ion batteries perform terrible in comparison to our Duracell lithium line (yes we make both). And apple is predominantly based in Cali....

I would open a production plant elsewhere just to sidestep that mishap, I understand why california does this, being one of the worst polluted states. but a battery with arsenic in it is not any more dangerous than TFS lectro, in fact tfs can kill you quicker if exposed... it just doesnt have that banned substance in it.

anyways, will be looking out for the next gen iphone, but my blackjack suits me fine, and is not that restrictive.

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So so
by valyno on Wed 1st Aug 2007 13:22 UTC
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2007-05-14

Waow ! Very interesting testimony !

I have been a Mac user for 2 years now and I really enjoy my Macbook !

Like 3 French out of 4, I own a smartphone Nokia N70 (Nokia forever)I bought few months for EUR 70...
I bought this model rather an expensive one in order to wait for this lovely iPhone.

After reading this review, I will reconsider my choice.

I use my phone, mainly to make phone calls (!!). Then, I use it to maintain my adressbook and to sync my Lotus Notes agenda... Therefore, the Bluetooth capability is essential for me...

What was making dream about the iPhone was the ability to sync my Ical and contacts and Mail with my laptop !!! No hassle of typing the names and so on on the tiny keyboard of the iPhone, just get the information from the laptop and that's it.
If it is not possible to do this simple thing, I don't see the point of having a smartphone...
What ? Iphone is not a smartphone ??

The Wi-Fi chip is also a mandatory feature for a 400 EUR device... Open wi-fi networks are groing like mushrooms is France. My FAI also gives me the ability to connect my wi-fi device to every home DLS modem from the other client in the neighbourhood with my own credentials: I can make VOIP calls...with a third app... My FAI is selling devices ready for this use... virtually. Soon I should be able to connect to th einternet this way...
If iPhone canno't do that, French geeks will not buy this phone...

As for the iPod features, well, usually, when you listen to music, you do it for hours.... If you are out batt when you need to make a phone call just because you spent 3 hours listening music.. you must feel a bit dumb...
However, I can see the interest on having iPod features...

3G and MMS: I am not sure that these features will be missed that much... It is very expensive to send MMS... the same for Video conference.
Data connection are also very expensive, so it is not the main feature we will look for the iPhone.

Regarding the earplug issue, I bet that third vendor will sell adaptators very soon...

Last but not least, In France, sim-locking a cell phone is possible only the first 6 months. After that, it is mandatory for the carrier to provide you with the codes to unlock the phone so that you can choose the carrier of your choice... In Belgium, sim-locking is completly forbidden...

If iPhone does not evolve toward the good path, my next smartphone will be a Nokia N95 (or equivalent/successor). It will take less than half an hour to save the content of the N70 over bluetooth on my PC and and to restore the content on the new N95...

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I'll Still Get One
by REM2000 on Wed 1st Aug 2007 15:32 UTC
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2006-07-25

Although i mentioned earlier that the headphone jack is an oversight, it's not gonna stop me from getting one.

Yes there are some niggles, MMS i don't really use it. I have been sending pictures and other things through my Nokia E61 (yes it doesn't have a camera i copy the bluetooth the pictures over) and my Sony K550i through email for ages now, i find it more universal than MMS.

Out of all of the concerns everyone has listed regarding the iPhone, the only one which does worry me a little is the lack of 3G. However im sure ive read a couple of reports which state that Apple may put in 3G for the european release, here's hoping.

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Very funny and interesting read
by Nutela on Wed 1st Aug 2007 17:22 UTC
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2006-02-09

That was the most entertaining review I read this year or so. Well done!

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EU
by TomB7 on Wed 1st Aug 2007 17:39 UTC
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"Plus, I don't think Apple can change iPhone design so easily as many think and as of now, EU carriers refused it."

I guarantee you, the EU carriers are on their knees BEGGING to get a hold of the iPhone. I suspect the problem is, they are all too controlling for Steve Jobs' taste. That's how Verizon dropped the ball here in the States.

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RE: EU
by TBPrince on Wed 1st Aug 2007 19:03 UTC in reply to "EU"
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2005-07-06

I guarantee you, the EU carriers are on their knees BEGGING to get a hold of the iPhone. I suspect the problem is, they are all too controlling for Steve Jobs' taste. That's how Verizon dropped the ball here in the States.

Yeah, so begging that Apple had to change iPhone to market it here and Vodafone boss refused to market iPhone 1.0 ;-) Now they claim they will start selling iPhone after Summer... yet we to see that ;-)

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RE[2]: EU
by TomB7 on Wed 1st Aug 2007 20:02 UTC in reply to "RE: EU"
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2006-01-03

I have not seen a link supporting your contention and I follow all the Apple headlines and rumor sites. Provide a link or troll elsewhere.

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What? Am I the first to mention . . .
by ojh77 on Wed 1st Aug 2007 18:22 UTC
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The Neo 1973? Read the specs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo1973.

Sorry if I just started the next Great Flame War.

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Sabon
Member since:
2005-07-06

RE: Battery - I'm tired of the #*^#*(&# idiots!!!! including the person that wrote this article. There is no excuse for this ignorance on battery recharging when Apple clearly states the following on their website (in their own wording - my wording is below).

The 400 recharges are if you TOTALLY let the iPhone's battery fully discharge. TOTALLY discharge.

Let's say you typically recharge it when the battery is HALF full. You then get 800 recharges.

If you typically charge up the iPhone (or iPod) when the battery is down only 25% then you get 1600 recharges.

ETC.

READ THE F#*^#$*#$*#& WEBSITE.

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David Member since:
1997-10-01

Despite the fact that you called me an idiot, which is exremely bad manners and is totally unnecessary, I took your comment to heart and went back and re-read the information that I had seen recently about Lithium Ion batteries (not the Apple web site, which I wouln't trust to be impartial on this issue) and it seems that I misunderstood. I had been under the impression that frequently unplugging and plugging the device it would shorten its battery life. It appears that I may have been mistaken on that point, and that the best thing you can do with a Li Ion battery is to charge it early and often.

I do understand that the 400 recharges figure is for full recharges, but I'm not sure that a recharge at 50% every time will yield 800 recharges. Besides, the drop off in battery capacity is gradual, and you'll see some after 50 recharges, I'll bet. And also, Lithium Ion batteries lose capacity even if they're not used, which is why you shouldn't buy one unless you need it now, because if you store it for two years just in case, it will have lost a bunch of its capacity over time.

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v The usual ill informed misinformation
by Anim8me2 on Wed 1st Aug 2007 19:16 UTC
iPhone
by tony on Wed 1st Aug 2007 20:42 UTC
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2005-07-06

I tried to resist, but I caved. I bought it, and I really like it. I like the touch screen, it's a great iPod, and it's the best PDA I've ever used.

There isn't one thing that my old smart phone (T-Mobile MDA) didn't do that my iPhone does now; they both play music, both surf the Internet (both on slow EDGE networks), can check email, etc. But the execution is much better on the iPhone.

Apple's 1.0 is better than Windows Mobile 6.0. It's better than any interface I've seen on a Motorola by lightyears, and it's better than even Nokia, which I felt had the best "user interface" out of any of the phone I've ever used.

It's not flawless, and I wasn't expecting it to be. Network is slow, the headphone thing is annoying, and there are a few UI bugs. But I've had far less issues with this than I did my last smartphone.

Even if the idea of the iPhone, or anything else Jobsian, makes you throw up a little in your mouth, the iPhone will benefit the entire market by making others seriously step up their game. Motorola and others could get away with counter-intuitive interfaces, buggy email clients, etc. because the other guys weren't much better. The bitter reaction from the other guys should be an indication that they're taking it seriously, and are going to adjust their products accordingly.

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David, you are very good
by samirsshah on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 04:52 UTC
samirsshah
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2007-08-02

The review is so spot on that it is amazing. It even justifies your last two sentences. I want to be like you, serious.

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