Linked by Eugenia Loli-Queru on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 06:42 UTC
Multimedia, AV Let's back up for a moment. It's 2007. Most geeks like you and me already use dual monitor setups with their multi-purpose desktop machines. However, have you ever asked yourself if that second monitor should be that old XGA LCD monitor from your previous PC, or a big, impressive flat panel television? Geeks.com sent us in an iLO 32" HDTV and we review it exactly as such: a computer monitor!
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Whah?
by predictor (-0.48) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 07:03 UTC
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As this is osnews, I would have expected some technical details beyond resolution. Or maybe not.

RE: Whah?
by Eugenia (Staff) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 07:05 UTC in reply to "Whah?"
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What exactly do you need to know? The spec sheet I got in front of me is not very detailed either, so I can't guess the exact power of the speakers or the color saturation or the throughput of HDMI, for example. The only thing I can do, is compare it to the rest of the monitors/TVs I have in my lab and draw a general conclusion as to how it improves my daily work and video testing abilities. The *main* job this TV fulfills in my lab is for video testing purposes, as I have taken seriously my new videography hobby since I bought that HDV camcorder last May.

Edited 2007-08-02 07:11

RE[2]: Whah?
by gfdsa (3) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 10:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Whah?"
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very disappointing...
Just this morning I've bought cables to do the same thing which means I did some research and I should say there is a plenty of things one should know first.
Could be much more professional.
_You see_, most of us do not need 32" monitor to read/write email it requires to be too far from the screen and we are not used to but for a HTPC usage (which I am going to do) the thing is just the fit. Connectors, cable lengths, remotes, resolution, audio is just the short list of things one should know to do that.
And what should that video show? that you really can show pictures on TV? great...

RE[3]: Whah?
by Eugenia (Staff) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 10:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Whah?"
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>do not need 32" monitor to read/write email

Huh? Who said that anyone uses the HDTV just for normal PC usage? I don't most of the time. I have two other monitors for that job. The HDTV is used mostly for video testing/viewing, although if it's connected via VGA/HDMI/DVI, it *can* also be used as a normal monitor if required because the connection quality is good. And no, you don't need to sit particularly far from a 32" screen to use it as a monitor.

>Connectors, cable lengths, remotes, resolution, audio is >just the short list of things one should know to do that.

This is not something for me to write in great detail. I already explain that a TV has 4 ways of getting connected to a PC and I explained these 4 ways in one big paragraph. From that point on, it all depends on the kind of graphics card the user has, and how far the PC is from the TV. I can't possibly write "buy a 6" HDMI cable" for someone whose PC is much further away and his graphics card has no HD or DVI connectors! Besides, this is OSNews. Users are already tech-minded, they don't need _me_ to tell them how to connect an S-Video or DVI cable. What I can write, and I did, was to explain how the whole thing works/connects, and then readers can connect the dots. There is not much more one can say about using a TV with your PC.

I personally had no problems whatsoever getting the whole thing to work and I had never done this before. So, I don't see why the average OSNews reader would need a step by step tutorial on this.

As I wrote in the article, the ONLY thing that bothered me was the non-native 720p resolution, anything else worked as expected without any surprises. So, I don't see what good it would be if I was to say that "The TV turns ON if you click the power button, and the volume cranks up when you click a button named Vol+". Come on.

Edited 2007-08-02 10:33

I guess I'm old fashoned
by mikesum32 (2.36) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 07:57 UTC
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I still use a CRT. It broke once, but was under warranty. I sent it off for repairs, and it's still going strong.

I want geeks.com to send me something to "review".

Edited 2007-08-02 07:57

That video...
by Crono (5) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 08:21 UTC
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http://macrochan.org/search.py?tag=Animals%3APrairie%20dog~...

SCNR

(The first page is safe for work, but I was too lazy to check all 146 pictures so be warned)

had a feeling of hasty writing
by juhani (2.14) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 08:32 UTC
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I am sorry, but from this review I saw only 2 ideas:
big tv-s have become cheaper;
perhaps you should watch for a 1080p tv.
And everything else, from my point of view, was quite pointless, dead weight. X-bit labs has had quite thorough reviews, a lot more informative than others.

Was it good as a tv monitor? How did if fail?
for video editing, how was it?
Did you at least tried to compare it to other similar products? (preferrably an expencive one as reference)?

RE: had a feeling of hasty writing
by Eugenia (Staff) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 08:46 UTC in reply to "had a feeling of hasty writing"
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>perhaps you should watch for a 1080p tv.

1080p TVs still cost $2500 anew, so they are out of the question for most people. From the 37% of the US population who own HDTVs, only about 3% have 1080p TVs.

>Was it good as a tv monitor? How did if fail?

Did you actually read the article? Besides, the product was used on an office with various equipment and multimedia devices, not on a living room. As I wrote earlier, the monitor worked perfectly, and the only problem I found was its resolution which was not 720p-native. Other than that, I found no problems whatsoever.

>for video editing, how was it?

You still don't understand. The video editing part happens on my higher-resolution PC monitor, not on the HDTV. On the HDTV you only *test* the video for color/contrast accuracy, you do nothing else with it.

>Did you at least tried to compare it to other similar products?

I compared it to our 55" HDTV. Really, did you read the article or you just skimmed it?

>(preferrably an expencive one as reference)?

Feel free to send us one. I am not related to Bill Gates or Steve Jobs so I can't ask for a loan.

Edited 2007-08-02 08:58

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1080p TVs still cost $2500 anew, so they are out of the question for most people.


Eugenia, you may want to double-check your price expectations (at least in the US). As a sanity check, Amazon has a 32" Sharp Aquos 1080p for < $1100 (and claims the list price < $1400). Shipping, tax, and extended warranties are, of course extra.

RE[3]: had a feeling of hasty writing
by Eugenia (Staff) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 20:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: had a feeling of hasty writing"
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This is still more than double the price than 1080i TVs. People can buy 50" 1080i TVs for that price, and I can tell you that most will go for the size rather than the specs.

Edited 2007-08-02 20:47

RE[4]: had a feeling of hasty writing
by ThanhLy (2.64) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 20:58 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: had a feeling of hasty writing"
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and I can tell you that most will go for the size rather than the specs.


I'll refrain from making a horribly bad joke about size. Second to size, consumers will be a little more aware of what the i and p stand for. People interested in online HD content, Blue-Ray, HD-DVD, Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, all combined are still less than the HD cable folks.

What annoys me is that some networks choose i over p and vice versa. So if there's certain cable networks that you absolutely must have in HD, that'll sway your purchase decision.

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This is still more than double the price than 1080i TVs. People can buy 50" 1080i TVs for that price, and I can tell you that most will go for the size rather than the specs.


1080i 32" TVs can indeed be gotten cheaper; I could also find cheaper 32" 1080p TVs and 42" 1080p TVs for the same money (as well as 47" for about $200 more). It depends a lot on the quality and features of the set, as well as the reputation of the manufacturer.

I simply wanted to point out that, probably due to the extremely volatile nature of HDTV pricing, your $2500 price point seemed unrealistically high.

RE: had a feeling of hasty writing
by butters (7.08) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 11:06 UTC in reply to "had a feeling of hasty writing"
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The 27-28" 1920x1200 LCDs are starting to drop toward the sweetspot. You can even find good brands like Viewsonic for under $700 these days. These are big enough for the 10-foot TV scenario, small enough to fit on a desk, and they have a reasonable pixel pitch for workstation use. You don't really want to go any smaller for a TV or any larger for a desktop monitor.

If you're looking for smallish HDTV, you might as spend a little more and get one that doubles as a killer primary monitor. The perfect single-head HTPC setup.

Odd reasons
by Dave_K (3.2) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 09:00 UTC
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I can see why this would be useful for video editing, especially when you're working on something that many people will be watching on a similar screen. The other reasons for connecting an LCD TV instead of a high resolution monitor seemed rather odd.

The mention of future broadcast HDTV was interesting, but by the time that's actually up and running, LCD TVs will probably be even cheaper and higher quality.

Do people really watch DVDs while working on their PCs? Presumably switching their attention backward and forwards between them and only seeing half the movie. That seems pretty strange to me, I like background music, but when I watch a film I want to lie back in a comfy chair and concentrate on it. Having it running on a secondary display while I'm working on something (even if just browsing or answering emails) would just be an annoying distraction.

Then there's the idea of watching YouTube and other streaming videos full screen on your 32" HDTV. Because of course those highly compressed videos really benefit from a bigger screen...

RE: Odd reasons
by Eugenia (Staff) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 09:07 UTC in reply to "Odd reasons"
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I personally download quite a few videos from HD forums, shot from people with HD cameras. They usually upload their test footage on high-resolution, usually in 720p. There is quite some nice HD, free & legal, footage out there besides YouTube. For example, this video in HD is absolutely amazing, shot with the same consumer HD camcorder I got by a 16 year old: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACVZp-UMD0Y

Regarding YouTube itself, my husband actually watches some videos on our 55" HDTV, using his Nintendo Wii and the Opera browser. Some of these videos are well-encoded and they look acceptably well.

I can also testify that watching Apple's HD ads and trailers in 32" is very cool. The 1080p trailers or iTunes-bought movies/shows are really amazing to watch on a big TV connected to a PC!

RE[2]: Odd reasons
by Dave_K (3.2) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 10:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Odd reasons"
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Regarding YouTube itself, my husband actually watches some videos on our 55" HDTV, using his Nintendo Wii and the Opera browser. Some of these videos are well-encoded and they look acceptably well.

I can also testify that watching Apple's HD ads and trailers in 32" is very cool. The 1080p trailers or iTunes-bought movies/shows are really amazing to watch on a big TV connected to a PC!


I suppose if you're actually buying HD content from iTunes I can see the point. But the difference between a 22" monitor and a 32" TV seems too small for it to be worth it for the odd trailer or YouTube video. Personally I don't bother viewing that kind of thing full screen on my 20" display.

For users who aren't editing video, or watching a lot of downloaded HD content, I'd have thought that a smaller (but higher resolution) monitor would be a better choice as a secondary display. That would be more useful for digital image editing or other tasks where resolution is as important as size. A 22" monitor is still very nice for watching video, especially when you're sitting at a desk, much closer to the screen than when watching TV.

One important use for larger monitors that hasn't been mentioned is for partially sighted users. Large and reasonably priced LCD and plasma screens have been a real boon for people with that kind of disability. I know a couple of people who can now happily browse the web or respond to emails, with text enlarged to fill a big screen. Before they really struggled, or had to use screen readers that weren't compatible with a lot of content.

RE[3]: Odd reasons
by boblowski (2.09) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 14:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Odd reasons"
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One important use for larger monitors that hasn't been mentioned is for partially sighted users. Large and reasonably priced LCD and plasma screens have been a real boon for people with that kind of disability. I know a couple of people who can now happily browse the web or respond to emails, with text enlarged to fill a big screen. Before they really struggled, or had to use screen readers that weren't compatible with a lot of content.

That is indeed a very important and often overlooked point. A friend of mine with very bad vision, can now, thanks to these big LCD screens, for the first time in his life just write letters and use email without some special screen reader or any other software. For him it means the world. If you have good vision, it's so easy to forget that for other people something as simple as reading a mail can really be a problem.

RE[4]: Odd reasons
by Redeeman (2.96) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 15:47 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Odd reasons"
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now dont think im just egoistic and moronic, but if special software can allow him to do it by magnifying, it means his screen is large enough..

so... how hard can it be to simply use larger fonts? i shouldnt think it would be too hard.

I bet text terminals would be horrible on that...
by turrini (1.91) on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 11:12 UTC
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... btw, does it make coffee or it is just a big television?

j/k.

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Eugenia

I have seen folks slip up, but this one has to be a doozie in the books for journalistic bloopers. Your 'review' is marginal at best, and the writing quality is poor (something I'm not quite used to seeing even in your worst of days). I hope you have some way of explaining this one.

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It's funny, because while almost everyone is whining around here, no one actually asks a direct question as to WHAT they want covered in the article. From where I stand, I covered everything there is to cover about the product as a user. Feel free to ask a question, like the guy about YouTube did above and we had a civil conversation, instead of whining in a generic form.

Edited 2007-08-02 20:38

1366x768 HDTV as monitor
by Best (1.8) on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 02:17 UTC
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I've been using the Vizio 32" as a monitor for a while now. It works out pretty nicely, my only real complaints about it are lack of an audio out, and lack of a DVI port. All in all its a pretty decent monitor, even if its actually slightly lower resolution than my last monitor.