Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 23:02 UTC
Windows "In all the excitement about Vista Service Pack 1 betas that were imminent and then not so imminent, the company continues to release patches to select groups of testers. Most recently a group of patches appeared on Windows Connect, the online downloading service Microsoft provides for a select group of beta testers. Only testers of Windows Server 2008 beta were allowed to download the patches, but they are aimed at Vista as well."
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Lets wait and see
by flanque on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 23:21 UTC
flanque
Member since:
2005-12-15

I hope so. I'm very interested to see how they change Vista to address the issues people are complaining about.

Remember "Service Pack 1" was the point in which many have said they'll wait for before upgrading to Vista, so it'll be interesting to see the reactions and changed attitudes to Vista when SP1 is eventually released.

No sense in sledging Microsoft calling Vista a failure because SP1 is coming out "so soon". Fixing problems is always better for the consumer than spin from PR agencies.

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RE: Lets wait and see
by Sodapop on Thu 2nd Aug 2007 23:52 UTC in reply to "Lets wait and see"
Sodapop Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm one which said I'll wait until SP1. But thinking about it now in the long term, Vista just isn't for me. But it's always good to fix OS issues and I hope SP1 sorts the issues people have been having with Windows Vista.

I say that because XP does everything I want it to do and I just don't need anything else. When Microsoft stops offering patches for XP, I'll most likely move to a Ubuntu or PC-BSD. Mostly because the only reason for me to need a Windows OS is for games, which I have grown out of that sort of thing.

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RE[2]: Lets wait and see
by google_ninja on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 04:34 UTC in reply to "RE: Lets wait and see"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Kinda funny, I was a full time linux user for years, and vista is what got me back on to windows.

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RE[2]: Lets wait and see
by Marcellus on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 07:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Lets wait and see"
Marcellus Member since:
2005-08-26

I was going to wait for SP1 before running Vista, but I went ahead and installed (Vista Ultimate) anyway.

It wasn't a problem free install due to (unsigned) driver issues and some hardware that didn't like to work together (those pieces were even from the same vendor), but eventually I got it all up and running.

It's not perfect by any measures, but it's also not as bad as I had feared it would be.

As a developer I'm now proceeding to study Vista further to determine if it has anything to offer me.

When SP1 arrives, I guess I will consider upgrading my main desktop to it.

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RE: Lets wait and see
by kaiwai on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 03:57 UTC in reply to "Lets wait and see"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

But here is the range strange thing; mentioned on Neowin there is a package that'll provide a 'performance boost' - it is around 12MB for Windows Vista, which brings me to ask whether they're hopeing that it brings them enough time till they can release SP1.

I'm looking foward to SP1 being released - hopefully it'll demonstrate that their new development policies are actually working and will help boost the quality of their products.

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RE[2]: Lets wait and see
by Jack Burton on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 07:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Lets wait and see"
Jack Burton Member since:
2005-07-06

"But here is the range strange thing; mentioned on Neowin there is a package that'll provide a 'performance boost'"

Maybe it just disables AERO... ;)

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RE[3]: Lets wait and see
by kaiwai on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 13:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lets wait and see"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Maybe it just disables AERO... ;)


:-P

That or they go through the code and finally throw out garbage that should have been removed 15 years ago :-)

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v RE: Lets wait and see
by Matt on Sat 4th Aug 2007 04:56 UTC in reply to "Lets wait and see"
SP1?
by steverez1 on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 00:49 UTC
steverez1
Member since:
2006-12-06

I can say I downloaded these directly from connect and nowhere have I heard anything about SP1 other than news articles are stating that this is part of SP1.

Its a shame that these were leaked as they haven't been fully tested and could possibly cause major problems for production pc's.

Also I can say over the last 3 days I have a 40% speed increase in the way I use my computer (I do alot of web design & photo editing. for those wondering about my computer specs I have a Core 2 Duo & 4GB Ram

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RE: SP1?
by poundsmack on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 01:28 UTC in reply to "SP1?"
poundsmack Member since:
2005-07-13

now while you didn't actualy say Vista is slow, it seemed implied by you being impressed with a 40% speed increase.

now 40% is awfully impressive. and i was really impressed until u said your system specs. and then i was just plain sad.

how badly do yuou have to code an OS for it to be slow on a core 2 duo system with 4 gigs of ram!!!??

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RE[2]: SP1?
by abdavidson on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 02:24 UTC in reply to "RE: SP1?"
abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

40% faster is 40% faster whether its on a C2D or a 386; the specs are irrelevant.

Strange comment to make that somehow a 40% speedup is less impressive just because of the platform.

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RE[3]: SP1?
by Laurence on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 11:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: SP1?"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

40% faster is 40% faster whether its on a C2D or a 386; the specs are irrelevant.

Strange comment to make that somehow a 40% speedup is less impressive just because of the platform.


40% isn't that impressive if the machine is massively over spec'ed for the day to day job.

It's like saying one sports car is 40% faster than another sports car - but if all you are doing is delivering milk then you have to question why you need a sports car in the 1st place when most milkmen are using electric powered milkfloats.

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RE[4]: SP1?
by polaris20 on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 13:35 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: SP1?"
polaris20 Member since:
2005-07-06

40% isn't that impressive if the machine is massively over spec'ed for the day to day job.

A C2D and 4GB isn't overly spec'd when 4GB of RAM is about $160 bucks these days and a C2D comes on nearly every Intel system sold.

I recently spec'd a full machine (albeit with 2GB) with an nVidia 8600, C2D 2.2Ghz, 2 400GB drives, case, etc. and it was well under a grand from Newegg.com.

Not exactly high end.

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RE[4]: SP1?
by abdavidson on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 13:38 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: SP1?"
abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm afraid sportscars and milk floats are irrelevant.

40% improvement is 40% improvement.

If your sportscar OR your milk float get 40% extra performance by tweaking the wibblywonker on both vehicles, then it is equally as impressive in both cases.

The purpose is irrelevant.

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RE[5]: SP1?
by baadger on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 17:24 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: SP1?"
baadger Member since:
2006-08-29

Not necessarily, maybe the Core2 Duo system just had more unlockable potential addressed by the update, whereas your milkfloat system has other limiting factors.

I don't see why you're causing a fuss over a stat% that was purely pulled out of his arse anyway, if you want a semi decent benchmark relevant to these updates to discuss, then look here:

http://www.aeroxp.org/index.php?categoryid=23&p2_articleid=114

Edited 2007-08-03 17:37

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RE[2]: SP1?
by netpython on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 07:24 UTC in reply to "RE: SP1?"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

My mother has a new X2 4000+ with 1GB ram vista rig. She is impressed with the speed. Coming from a PIV 1.8 GHZ and 512 M RAM running XP.

Dual cores are fairly common these days. So vista should run just fine.And any moderate AMD X2 or Intel Dual2core box is affordable.

I can't even believe i'm testifying for vista right now as an insighted linux user.

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RE: SP1?
by abdavidson on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 02:25 UTC in reply to "SP1?"
abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

How did you get that 40% figure?
What are you measuring?
And is that post some of those (wannabe) SP1 patches?

Note: I'm not saying I don't believe you or anything like that; just genuinely interested. (I'm a *happy* Vista user myself)

Edited 2007-08-03 02:26

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RE[2]: SP1?
by steverez1 on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 02:36 UTC in reply to "RE: SP1?"
steverez1 Member since:
2006-12-06

The 40% figure I actually just pulled it out of my head to be honest no scientific benchmark just a notice in speed since most of you all know your computers you know when its slow or when something is just not right. to me my thought is the speed for opening files, renaming them and copying across different drives is about 40% faster now then after I installed RTM loaded up all my software and loaded my data across the hard drives. keep in mind RTM seemed quick at launch because the Aero is more responsive than the old windowing system. Aero would open windows up right away but it would take awhile for the contents of the folder to actually show up. now the contents shows up around 40% faster which is around the equivalent to the speed of Ubuntu or XP on my machine which was my personal last concern for Vista.

Edited 2007-08-03 02:38

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RE: SP1?
by Laurence on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 11:18 UTC in reply to "SP1?"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Also I can say over the last 3 days I have a 40% speed increase in the way I use my computer (I do a lot of web design & photo editing. for those wondering about my computer specs I have a Core 2 Duo & 4GB Ram


If all you are doing is web dev and photo editing then I can't see how you can justify a needing a Core 2 Due and 4GB of ram.

I have a dual celery 500MHz with 512MB RAM (it's even running Windows - though it's one they got right - Win2000) and find that to be powerful enough for photo editing and web development. Granted it is a dual processor motherboard though.

Anyway, my point is the specified tasks are not particularly system hungry activities - not when people are building desktops for music production, film editing and 3D rendering as well as games becoming ever more advanced. The jobs you specified could just as easily be done in a Linux system with half the OS overhead (though Flash would have to be run via Wine) and on a system of half the spec.

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RE[2]: SP1?
by netpython on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 12:21 UTC in reply to "RE: SP1?"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

If all you are doing is web dev and photo editing then I can't see how you can justify a needing a Core 2 Due and 4GB of ram.

Exept the 4GB of ram, a Core 2 dual or AMD X2 with 2GB of ram is quite common if you buy a new PC these days. Nothing out of the usual realy.

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Links
by baadger on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 09:29 UTC
baadger
Member since:
2006-08-29

For those frustrated enough with these Vista issues to risk the integrity of their system with beta hotfixes from an unofficial source...here you go ;)

Where I got them from:
http://rapidshare.com/users/FBZBSV

My own mirror (Both x86 and x64 patches repackaged by KB# instead of arch):
http://rapidshare.com/users/8JLQUV

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Not looking forward to SP1
by SReilly on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 13:30 UTC
SReilly
Member since:
2006-12-28

If previous updates are anything to judge by, I'm really not looking forward to this update. I have a list of three updates that break my system to such an extent that I have to restore from backup anytime I install them, in any way. The updates are as follows -

Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB933928)
Update type: Recommended
This update enhances the user experience by improving messaging and reducing the steps required to resolve potential problems with product activation and validation. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.

Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB935280)
Update type: Recommended
Install this update to address a set of known application compatibility issues with Windows Vista. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.

Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB929735)
Update type: Optional
Install this update to resolve an issue that prevents Windows Search from returning a complete set of results when a search is performed using the date option and a non-Gregorian calendar is in use.

As you can see, two of them are recommended and one is optional which turns out to be lucky for me. I have posted bug reports for all three but have yet to get any kind of reply and judging by the complaints of other people, it seems I am far from the only one to be having these problems.

I will install SP1 when it is released but I'll have a complete system backup ready as well as a few prayers!

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ROFLSKIDS
by Matt on Sat 4th Aug 2007 04:54 UTC
Matt
Member since:
2006-10-28

anyone who wants to be a vista tester these days is a damn idiot.

vista blows, long live xp and slackware

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v has anyone seen office 2007?
by Matt on Sat 4th Aug 2007 04:58 UTC
Re: Matt
by blitze on Sat 4th Aug 2007 06:14 UTC
blitze
Member since:
2006-09-15

Get a life. Vista ain't as shit as you seem to think.

I will also continue to use MS products if the software I need to use to make money only runs on MS stuff. BTW, I also beta test Ubuntu, right tool for the right job.

As for the hardware company comment, well, yes I do like MS's ergonimic keyboard. ;)

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