Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 02:12 UTC, submitted by irbis
Gnome A free Gnome-based Linux distribution for mobile devices such as smartphones and PDAs has achieved a major release. OpenedHand's Poky Linux 3.0 ("Blinky") is based on X11, GTK+, and the Matchbox window manager, much like the Nokia-sponsored Maemo.org project. However, in place of the proprietary Hildon GUI layer, it includes a new "Sato 0.1" plain GTK+ component.
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Hmm...
by Almafeta on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 02:35 UTC
Almafeta
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2007-02-22

Wouldn't the phone company just reinstall the original firmware or replace your phone when you came to get your phone set up with their systems?

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RE: Hmm...
by AdamW on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 05:14 UTC in reply to "Hmm..."
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"when you came to get your phone set up with their systems?"

Why would you do that?

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RE[2]: Hmm...
by Almafeta on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 12:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Hmm..."
Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

To make outgoing calls and recieve incoming calls?

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RE[3]: Hmm...
by dylansmrjones on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 14:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Hmm..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

The software on the phone has little to do with making outgoing calls/receiving incoming calls with any company.

Unless you are living in some weird country where the companies are completely incompatible - meaning one cannot call customers from another company.

In DK it doesn't matter. The only important information is on the SIM card. The phone functionality has little to do with that.

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RE[4]: Hmm...
by Almafeta on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 14:54 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Hmm..."
Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

When you go to register for a different company's network, you have to go and physically hand over your phone to get your phone set up for their network. At that time, they'll update the firmware -- and if the firmware is unfamiliar, they'll either reinstall it or replace the phone (both possibly at your cost, depending on the carrier).

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RE[5]: Hmm...
by Soulbender on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 15:01 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Hmm..."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"When you go to register for a different company's network, you have to go and physically hand over your phone to get your phone set up for their network."

I think you're confusing how things work in your country with how things work globally.
In many countries basically all you do is buy a SIM card (filling in whatever paperwork is needed, if any), put it in the phone and you're set.

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RE[6]: Hmm...
by Almafeta on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 15:06 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Hmm..."
Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

In many countries basically all you do is buy a SIM card (filling in whatever paperwork is needed, if any), put it in the phone and you're set.


Interesting. I had never heard of this before...

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RE[7]: Hmm...
by dylansmrjones on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 18:09 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Hmm..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Ditto... I can't believe there are companies as bureaucratic and undemocratic as you describe. It's completely insane.

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RE[5]: Hmm...
by dylansmrjones on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 18:07 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Hmm..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Not in Denmark. Here everything is handled electronically from a central place - just sign up some papers or make a deal over the phone - and you have a new company. At worst you'll get a different SIM card but usually this isn't necessary.

Do you live in a clone of DDR or something like that?

EDIT: Changed wording in first sentence.

Edited 2007-08-03 18:08

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Palm Pilot Support?
by brother bloat on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 02:39 UTC
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2005-07-06

Has anyone heard whether Pokey is supported (either officially or otherwise) on Palm Pilots? If so, this could be the ticket to finally breaking away from the dinosaur-old PalmOS on my Palm T|X -- very exciting!

In any case, mobile devices are a great idea, and I'm thrilled that the open source community is taking the initiative here. With Google's (and others) online office apps, increasingly more widespread wireless/connectivity options, and improved network/online storage, the idea of mobile devices as dumb terminal "portals" to everywhere-accessable tools is almost a reality.

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RE: Palm Pilot Support?
by Eugenia on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 03:08 UTC in reply to "Palm Pilot Support?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I doubt it.

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RE: Palm Pilot Support?
by butters on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 04:22 UTC in reply to "Palm Pilot Support?"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

There does seem to be a platform-agnostic abstraction layer, so it's conceivable that community efforts could port it to all sorts of devices.

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RE: Palm Pilot Support?
by sebasttien.huss on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 15:24 UTC in reply to "Palm Pilot Support?"
sebasttien.huss Member since:
2007-08-03

Let's have a look to :
http://hackndev.com
maybe they'll enlighten your day.

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about hildon
by sogroig on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 03:32 UTC
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2007-08-01

Hildon is not proprietary. There are proprietary components on the nokia tablets but hildon is GPL.

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RE: about hildon
by netdur on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 12:14 UTC in reply to "about hildon"
netdur Member since:
2005-07-07

as rest of GNOME lib, Hildon is LGPL

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coals, meet newcastle
by Cloudy on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 04:45 UTC
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2006-02-15

OK, I've lost count, does that make five or seven "phone" freeware linux distros?

There is definitely no official support on any Palm device.

Since the Palms are almost all pxa devices and there's a pxa port of linux it's 'merely' a matter of device driver writing to get an unofficial port.

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looks great
by evert on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 06:11 UTC
evert
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2005-07-06

I like the looks. It would even be useful on a small flatscreen inside a car.

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No Gnome in Poky
by acid_head on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 06:29 UTC
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2007-05-23

Poky doesn't use any Gnome stuff. It's X11/GTK+/Matchbox.
And Hildon IS proprietary (at least it was until I last checked).

Correction: It uses GStreamer Embedded, but to say that it is Gnome-based is a bit to far, especially since it uses Matchbox (and Matchbox is a DE like Gnome, but not Gnome)

Edited 2007-08-03 06:35

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RE: No Gnome in Poky
by jdub on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 07:25 UTC in reply to "No Gnome in Poky"
jdub Member since:
2005-08-19

Poky definitely includes GNOME stuff. It is a fantastic implementation of the GNOME Mobile platform. Both are highly componentised, but Poky is very much part of the GNOME Mobile ecosystem. :-)

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RE: No Gnome in Poky
by ebassi on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 07:39 UTC in reply to "No Gnome in Poky"
ebassi Member since:
2006-02-28

GNOME is a desktop environment (DE), matchbox is a window manager; so matchbox is like metacity, or compiz, or kwin. matchbox itself is made of various components: a window manager, the virtual keyboard, the panel you see on the top in the screenshots, the main "desktop".

sato is the overall look, provided by a gtk+ theme engine, a gtk+ theme and a matchbox theme.

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RE: No Gnome in Poky
by rossburton on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 08:58 UTC in reply to "No Gnome in Poky"
rossburton Member since:
2007-01-25

Poky includes Pimlico, which uses GConf, gnome-vfs (optionally), Evolution Data Server, DBus, GTK+ and so on. About as GNOMEy as you can get without actually linking to libgnomeui.

I'm curious as to what GStreamer Embedded is.

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What does it bring to the market?
by porcel on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 10:39 UTC
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2006-01-28

Qtopia is more mature, has better development tools and has tons of applications ported and many more are easy to port thanks to Qt.

That, in my opinion, makes it one of the best embedded development platforms around. These guys are just reinventing the wheel for the sake of it, but hey, it's all good as far I know and care.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Qtopia is more mature, has better development tools and has tons of applications ported and many more are easy to port thanks to Qt.


The greenphone is a tad expensive and I couldn't find any link to which non-trolltech devices are supported by Qtopia.

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netdur Member since:
2005-07-07

count how many devices uses QT and how many devices uses GNOME mobile!!!

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g2devi Member since:
2005-07-09

Obviously it isn't rebuilding the wheel. The wheel has already been built (Gtk+, GNOME, Nokia Hildon, PalmOS NG). This distro is just making it easier for people to add to existing devices.

Besides, not everyone is comfortable with a GPL license for libraries and being dependent on any company for licensing defeats one key advantage of F/OSS -- vendor lockin and being held hostage to the demands of a single company. If TrollTech (or any licensing company) ever got greedy you'd have to pay up. If they died, changed businesses, or just refused to sell to you, you'd be in trouble unless you went GPL (which you might not be able to do if you licensed other things or you might not be able to do without a shareholder/vendor capitalist revolt). If you're going to go with licensing, you might as well go to something multivendor, like J2ME, where vendor lockin is a lot less of a problem.

Besides, believe it or not, some people like Gtk+ better than Qt, just as some people prefer FLTK or FLTK/LUA or wxWidgets or wxWidgets/Python to either Gtk+ or Qt.

Choice is good. It's why most of us left Windows and "One Microsoft Way".

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LOOX support
by Laurence on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 10:55 UTC
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2007-03-26

I couldn't see an accurate device support - I've been looking to run a Linux distro on my Pocket LOOX for quite a while now but never found anything available (apart from one build specific to the 720)

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Hildon
by mserms on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 11:13 UTC
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2005-07-14

"And Hildon IS proprietary (at least it was until I last checked)."

http://lwn.net/Articles/230906/

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NDS
by Moya on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 11:50 UTC
Moya
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2007-07-26

this thing support arm so maybe i can run in my Nintendo DS Lite ;)

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RE: NDS
by AdolescentFred on Fri 3rd Aug 2007 12:19 UTC in reply to "NDS"
AdolescentFred Member since:
2006-07-17

Linux already runs on ds: http://www.dslinux.org/
trouble is, there's not really much ram left over to do anything else when you have DSLinux running, so no X11.
Without buying a separate ram pack (opera or other) there isn't much you can do with it. It's more of a novelty than anything else. The DS had two cpus but they are an arm7@33mhz and an arm9@66mhz, only 4MB of ram shared between the two, and limitations about what each cpu can do (e.g. only arm9 can access graphics engine)
I'm not sure how feasible funning this on a DS is, but I would love to be proved wrong.

edit: apparently nano-X has been ported to DSLinux. I'm still not convinced it would very usably, and it crashes when I try to run it. I think it's out of ram (i have no rampack)

Edited 2007-08-03 12:26

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