Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 4th Aug 2007 00:49 UTC, submitted by irbis
Google "Google's first mobile phone reportedly will run a Linux operating system on a Texas Instruments "Edge" chipset, and will likely ship to T-Mobile and Orange customers in the Spring of 2008. "GPhone" call minutes and text messages will apparently be funded by mobile advertising, according to reports." The report found at the popular embedded systems Linux news site LinuxDevices.
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wow
by poundsmack on Sat 4th Aug 2007 01:14 UTC
poundsmack
Member since:
2005-07-13

"minutes and text messages will apparently be funded by mobile advertising"

but will that mean the usage of teh network is free for teh subscrber?

because lets face it. prduction of the phone is expensive. and assuming they dont in over the 700mhz range they will have to use other companties like T mobile or Orange towers and satelites etc.... the point is i would never have thought that online advertising alone could possibly make a profit for a product like this.

but it is google we are talking about and it seems that they are marketing genuises. i wonder hwo this will all turn out...

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RE: wow
by elmimmo on Sat 4th Aug 2007 01:34 UTC in reply to "wow"
elmimmo Member since:
2005-09-17

> but will that mean the usage of teh network is free for teh subscrber?

But I mean, if it is not, so what… how much traffic does text avertising generate…

The thing, anyways, is that I do not need no frigging funding by anyone, I will pay it myself. Just give me push e-mail for all carriers and all terminals, please, like Japan has been having for ages.

Today sending an SMS in Spain costs you about 15 cents of euro. The traffic that sending an average text e-mail (let's say, with 4-5 times the number of characters) generates, costs you… what? 1 or 2 cents?

It is just about time that we kill SMS and the stupid abbreviations that go with it (NOBODY in Japan uses SMS, simply regular e-mails for years!). Of course, for operators it has been the goose that lays golden eggs, so they are not going to do that… (which in my opinion is a short-sighted dead-end loop, but anyway…)

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RE: wow
by Cass on Sat 4th Aug 2007 02:00 UTC in reply to "wow"
Cass Member since:
2006-03-17

>but will that mean the usage of the network is free for the subscriber? (typos fixed ;-))

That would be great, a small monthly fee to cover the cost of the handset over a fixed term and all the free calls/web you like, let the ad spamming commence :-)

Edited 2007-08-04 02:01

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RE: wow
by Redeeman on Sat 4th Aug 2007 09:55 UTC in reply to "wow"
Redeeman Member since:
2006-03-23

who knows, it may not be able to generate as much profit as what the current mobile operators generate, but it may just provide a little bit, or perhaps just provide for no losses.

remember, the prices we see today for mobile shit is 100 times more than it should be, simply because the mobile operators want a ridicoulesly high profit margin. and why shouldnt they? we happily pay, and ill bet most people dont even know they are being totally owned. They would however know if their 1 liter milk suddenly cost 10 USD..

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this is news?
by Cloudy on Sat 4th Aug 2007 02:14 UTC
Cloudy
Member since:
2006-02-15

anybody who has been paying attention for the last two years knows that the 'gphone' is an ti omap730 based linux 2.6 system. it'll be a stretch, but they just might make it work with the 850.

As for the business model, all you're seeing in the press is guesses that google will simply move it's intarweb business model to the telephony space.

i wouldn't count on it.

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2006?
by ValiantSoul on Sat 4th Aug 2007 03:00 UTC
ValiantSoul
Member since:
2005-07-20

I hope this was a typo...otherwise this looks like vaporware/old news
"Scheduled for production in Q1 of 2006, the Google phone will hit retail shelves next spring"

EDIT: Just realized it above says 2008...I've been drinking

Edited 2007-08-04 03:00

Reply Score: 1

JonathanBThompson
Member since:
2006-05-26

If it is the least bit graphical (surely it would be to render ads and browse the web!) it will come with its very own pron sooner or later, and people will nickname it the "G-Spot" as that seems inevitable!

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raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

and the problem is ???????


Of course it should have porn. All advances made by the computing industry have been pushed by the porn industry, graphics compression, streaming video, secure log ons etc etc etc

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Redundancy
by MiliTux on Sat 4th Aug 2007 09:06 UTC
MiliTux
Member since:
2007-05-16

Why don't we refer to it as the Google GPhone Phone. That way we can really be redundant. ;)

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v linux
by happycamper on Sat 4th Aug 2007 09:43 UTC
RE: linux
by archiesteel on Sat 4th Aug 2007 22:26 UTC in reply to "linux"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Hey, look: an off-topic post meant to start a flamewar! We should try voting down as much as possible to see how low the new system goes... :-)

Edited 2007-08-04 22:27

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RE[2]: linux
by cyclops on Sun 5th Aug 2007 01:06 UTC in reply to "linux"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"good, I hope linux has better success on Google's phone then it is having on the desktop."

Linux has *precious* little to do with the Desktop anymore. It is however *very* successful in the very Marketplace that this article refers to and is already running on many mobile phones, and this trend is set to continue.

Its unsurprising that Google have chosen a *successful* embedded OS for their phone, its even less surprising considering they are a Linux company...and I mean the kernel.

The bottom line is if you cannot see that a Phone OS is radically different from a Desktop OS then you should simply *never* post.

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oh no!!!
by Fransexy on Sat 4th Aug 2007 10:45 UTC
Fransexy
Member since:
2005-07-29

I really hoped that it would be powered by a new OS developed by Google but it is another linux.Not that linux is bad but i want OS technology moves forward and develops new concepts and new architectures and not reuse and reuse another old ones

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RE: oh no!!!
by Benjamin_Lebsanft on Sat 4th Aug 2007 11:11 UTC in reply to "oh no!!!"
Benjamin_Lebsanft Member since:
2005-10-11

What exactly new were you expecting, it isn't linux doesn't work very well.

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RE: oh no!!!
by Johann Chua on Sat 4th Aug 2007 12:10 UTC in reply to "oh no!!!"
Johann Chua Member since:
2005-07-22

Google uses Linux on their servers, so it makes sense they'll use Linux on an embedded device.

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RE[2]: oh no!!!
by smitty_one_each on Sun 5th Aug 2007 00:04 UTC in reply to "RE: oh no!!!"
smitty_one_each Member since:
2005-07-07

If there is Linux in the phone, the likelihood of good development kits is high.
I have yet to encounter a phone that played very nicely with Linux when it came to using it as a cellular modem, much less, getting all of the PDA features to sync nicely.

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RE: oh no!!!
by timothy.crosley on Sat 4th Aug 2007 17:06 UTC in reply to "oh no!!!"
timothy.crosley Member since:
2006-06-15

Why?? It would do them no good to create a new kernel. Most people wouldn't notice/care. Its the GUI/Applications that really decide whether or not the device will be revolutionary. Look at Mac OSX its kernel is a very close relatives to the BSD's, and this only helped them innovate.

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Paranoid
by Excel Hearts Choi on Sat 4th Aug 2007 12:07 UTC
Excel Hearts Choi
Member since:
2006-07-08

Assuming what the article says is true, they Google is creating desirable product (features and ease of use) so that they have a new platform for selling advertising. This is, after all, what they did with Gmail. The "price" of using Google products is an invaision of privacy. They scan the contents of your searches (and then save them for who knows how long) and emails so that they can give you a very specific advertising set. With this phone, they could be reading you text messages to do something similar. Or, they could listen to your conversations for key words. GPS technology would allow them to know where you are at, and then send advertising from nearby shops and restaurants to your phone. Or, they could have a completely different business model for the upcoming phone (though history seems to disagree). Maybe I am just being paranoid.

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RE: Paranoid
by ThawkTH on Sat 4th Aug 2007 14:27 UTC in reply to "Paranoid"
ThawkTH Member since:
2005-07-06

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you...

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RE: Paranoid
by chemical_scum on Sat 4th Aug 2007 18:36 UTC in reply to "Paranoid"
chemical_scum Member since:
2005-11-02

They scan the contents of your searches ... and emails so that they can give you a very specific advertising set. With this phone, they could be reading you text messages to do something similar. Or, they could listen to your conversations for key words. GPS technology would allow them to know where you are at, and then send advertising from nearby shops and restaurants to your phone. ... Maybe I am just being paranoid.

You have hit the nail on the head. I think that millions of suckers like myself will fall for it. I like the convenience of Gmail and its associated tools. The targeted advertising doesn't worry me (indeed sometimes it is good for a laugh).

What does worry me is if someone more sinister than the current "do no evil" Google, like the US gov, gets hold of all that data and uses it in a repressive way.

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RE[2]: Paranoid
by Excel Hearts Choi on Sun 5th Aug 2007 01:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Paranoid"
Excel Hearts Choi Member since:
2006-07-08

As for your data falling into the wrong hands, Google has shown that it will do what it takes to stay ahead. In China, that means caving into the government's version of reality. In the US, that means saying the big bad government can't have our (if you are American) search data. As an American, I guess that means I am safe (at least until public sentiment no longer favors privacy - which may never happen). "Do no evil" may be their motto, but that is certainly open to interpretation. Google makes me nervous.

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RE: Paranoid
by archiesteel on Sat 4th Aug 2007 22:24 UTC in reply to "Paranoid"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

As long as it's not intrusive, then it doesn't bother me. The risk of Google data falling into the wrong hands might eventually prove worrisome...on the other hand, if that was to happen, you'd have a great case to sue Google for *millions*...

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RE: Paranoid
by ssa2204 on Sun 5th Aug 2007 08:07 UTC in reply to "Paranoid"
ssa2204 Member since:
2006-04-22

You have a good point there. There is not a chance in hell that I would use Google phone, hell I refuse to use even Gmail. I just have to laugh at all the idiots in the world who are now jumping on the Google bandwagon thinking they are the anti-Microsoft. They are no different, if not worse in their behavior. The only difference is they use Linux, to which they make changes which they refused to release, and they get all the Linux geeks jumping on their bandwagon. Almost 95% of everyone on my local Linux user group uses Gmail, pathetic. No, I would not assume that Microsoft's services are any different or better. I just think it very ignorant and naive how people see Google.

I see them for what they are, a large mega corporation that has no respect for my privacy. If they come out with their own Linux distro, it will be a cold day in hell before I would load that garbage.

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Is OSNews now Digg?
by KugelKurt on Sat 4th Aug 2007 12:26 UTC
KugelKurt
Member since:
2005-07-06

They tend to remove questionmarks from the original title and make rumors look like facts.

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High mobile costs
by hitest on Sat 4th Aug 2007 14:21 UTC
hitest
Member since:
2006-10-28

"remember, the prices we see today for mobile shit is 100 times more than it should be, simply because the mobile operators want a ridicoulesly high profit margin. and why shouldnt they? we happily pay, and ill bet most people dont even know they are being totally owned. They would however know if their 1 liter milk suddenly cost 10 USD.."

Don't get me started about high cel phone charges. I use a cel phone in Northern Canada. I'm quite certain we have perhaps the highest mobile charges. Yep, I know I'm being rogered on a regular basis. It royally sucks.

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RE: High mobile costs
by StephenBeDoper on Sun 5th Aug 2007 08:29 UTC in reply to "High mobile costs"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Yep, I know I'm being rogered on a regular basis. It royally sucks.


If that's not a pun on Rogers cable/wirelss, it should be ;)

On a more serious note, I recently read an article that echoes the same sentiments:

"Uncompetitive Canadian Pricing Threatens Mobile Internet"
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2117/135/

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Lean from apple.
by Edward on Sat 4th Aug 2007 16:12 UTC
Edward
Member since:
2005-09-17

Hope they don't make a "DUH" mistake & have it always run as root like apple did the Iphone.

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Honk! Honk!
by Weeman on Sun 5th Aug 2007 11:02 UTC
Weeman
Member since:
2006-03-20

Everyone getting paranoid about a privacy invading Google Phone should keep their pants on. It'll be a Linux based platform and thus very likely to be (made) modular as far as stripping everything out that's remotely related to Google, while still preserving non-invading regular phone activity.

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RE: Honk! Honk!
by cyclops on Mon 6th Aug 2007 15:11 UTC in reply to "Honk! Honk!"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"Everyone getting paranoid about a privacy invading Google Phone should keep their pants on. It'll be a Linux based platform and thus very likely to be (made) modular as far as stripping everything out that's remotely related to Google, while still preserving non-invading regular phone activity."

You clearly fell asleep during Linus's last rant against the FSF, but essentially there was this little topic called Tivoization that the FSF tried to prevent, but Linus was for.

Remember this is not about GNU but about Linux It will probably contain no GPL3 licensed code.

Edited 2007-08-06 15:11

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RE[2]: Honk! Honk!
by Weeman on Mon 6th Aug 2007 17:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Honk! Honk!"
Weeman Member since:
2006-03-20

Tivo: Hacked.
iPhone: Hacked.

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RE[3]: Honk! Honk!
by cyclops on Mon 6th Aug 2007 20:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Honk! Honk!"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"Tivo: Hacked.
iPhone: Hacked."


Wouldn't it make more sense to support a license that allows you to do what you want it to do, rather than rely on anonymous programmers elsewhere.

I would actually suggest purchasing a device that supports this kind of interaction.

Like I say you should read the Linus stuff...about things he doesn't care about hardware companies do with *his* kernel.

He suggests adding gunk to the top of chips as reasonable to stop people using their four freedoms.

Edited 2007-08-06 20:20

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