Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 16th Aug 2007 16:53 UTC, submitted by Franz Netell
Features, Office Adobe may launch its own office-application suite, taking it into direct competition with Microsoft. In an interview, Mike Downey, group manager for platform evangelism at Adobe, said that, although he could not reveal any plans at the moment, the possibility should not be dismissed.
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My requirements.
by porcel on Thu 16th Aug 2007 18:11 UTC
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Make it cross-platform, which it would be, if it ends-up being browser-driven, cheap, and make sure it supports ODF and I am there.

Competition is always good.

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RE: My requirements.
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Aug 2007 19:39 UTC in reply to "My requirements."
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2005-07-06

Make it cross-platform, which it would be, if it ends-up being browser-driven, cheap, and make sure it supports ODF and I am there.

Competition is always good.


I'd hate to sound this bitter at this early in the morning (7:35am where I am) but I doubt it'll be multiplatform - remember folks, this is the same company who got 3/4 of the way through and was almost ready to release Framemaker for Linux and then cancelled it. This is also the same company who treat *NIX customers who great contempt with their refusal to provide their applications on Linux/Solaris/FreeBSD on the x86 platform, refusing to properly maintain their Acrobat/Flash products and worse still, their refusal to even work with wine to allow better interoperability between their Windows product line up and wine compatibility.

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RE[2]: My requirements.
by Kroc on Thu 16th Aug 2007 19:55 UTC in reply to "RE: My requirements."
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2005-11-10

Have we forgotten Macromedia so quickly?

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RE[3]: My requirements.
by Ophidian on Thu 16th Aug 2007 20:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: My requirements."
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2007-01-17

Adobe bought Macromedia, Macromedia no longer exists.

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RE: My requirements.
by butters on Thu 16th Aug 2007 19:53 UTC in reply to "My requirements."
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2005-07-08

As I've noted before, there is a massive design synergy between the WYSIWYG office suite and the WYSIWYG Web-2.0 development suite.

The only way it makes sense for Adobe to enter the office space is as a part of a universal content creation suite for AIR. Adobe is arguably the industry leader in most aspects of multimedia content creation. The next step is to map this expertise onto the Web-2.0 notion of unified rich content.

An Adobe "office suite" will most likely treat ODF and OpenXML as limited import/export targets. The key for Adobe is making AIR the most compelling Web-2.0 framework. While multimedia and applications are the big-ticket items, the pathway to content framework dominance goes through the basic document.

The document is the volume market. Then Adobe can leverage this installed base to deliver premium creation modules such as animation and application development. All based on AIR, of course, and ready for consumption both online and offline. Decent strategy, huh?

Now you see how important it is for the free software community to get behind the lesser of the Web-2.0 evils. At least with Silverlight we can follow open specifications to create free software runtimes and tools. Adobe AIR is the proprietary Web, our worst nightmare.

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RE[2]: My requirements.
by Beta on Thu 16th Aug 2007 21:28 UTC in reply to "RE: My requirements."
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2005-07-06

“At least with Silverlight we can follow open specifications to create free software runtimes and tools. Adobe AIR is the proprietary Web, our worst nightmare.”

Right. On whose teaching did you decide:
Silverlight is open.
AIR is not.

Neither is a good idea, so stop misjudging them.

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RE[2]: My requirements.
by Havin_it on Fri 17th Aug 2007 00:17 UTC in reply to "RE: My requirements."
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2006-03-10

You had me up to "synergy". Are you in marketing?

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Yikes
by Don T. Bothers on Thu 16th Aug 2007 18:13 UTC
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2006-03-15

Judging by all the other products Adobe has released, whatever they come up with will actually make OpenOffice look like a speed demon. Seriously, they have great products but they are all very industrial and memory intensive. I can't imagine them doing anything else.

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RE: Yikes
by flanque on Thu 16th Aug 2007 21:34 UTC in reply to "Yikes"
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2005-12-15

I agree. Even with plenty of memory, striped hard disks, fast CPU and good video card, Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver take ages to load.

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RE[2]: Yikes
by jayson.knight on Thu 16th Aug 2007 22:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Yikes"
jayson.knight Member since:
2005-07-06

"Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver take ages to load."

Hell, even a small app like Acrobat takes forever to load...if they can't even get that right, how will they get a full blown office suite to run quickly?

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Waste of time
by Joe User on Thu 16th Aug 2007 18:17 UTC
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2005-06-29

If it's like the rest of Adobe products, it will be:
- 1GB RAM minimum requirement
- Windows & Mac only
- Proprietary format
- $$$$
Go OpenOffice.org! :-)

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RE: Waste of time
by Kroc on Thu 16th Aug 2007 19:46 UTC in reply to "Waste of time"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

And have a product matrix that looks like an ant farm.

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v RE[2]: Waste of time
by flanque on Thu 16th Aug 2007 21:34 UTC in reply to "RE: Waste of time"
Adobe May Launch Office Rival
by sbergman27 on Thu 16th Aug 2007 18:33 UTC
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2005-07-24

Bye, Adobe! You're now toast! ;-)

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RE: Adobe May Launch Office Rival
by Joe User on Thu 16th Aug 2007 18:37 UTC in reply to "Adobe May Launch Office Rival"
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2005-06-29

> Bye, Adobe! You're now toast! ;-)

Yeah, MICROS~1 that has taken the extra effort of porting MS Office to the Mac for years will be happy with this slap in the face.

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what ever happened to Gobe Productive?
by Ophidian on Thu 16th Aug 2007 18:42 UTC
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2007-01-17

Although somewhat offtopic, it is related. It might serve as a good base for an office suite for Adobe without having to build everything from scratch.

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i just wish...
by tryphcycle on Thu 16th Aug 2007 18:44 UTC
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2006-02-16

adobe would come out with a slim version of InDesign (InDesign elements), that costs $100 so that "office professionals" would have something OTHER than Punisher... i mean Publisher to do there toy brochures and other misc page layouts!!!!!!

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RE: i just wish...
by Buck on Thu 16th Aug 2007 19:07 UTC in reply to "i just wish..."
Buck Member since:
2005-06-29

ahh... you can have iWork. It's great for simple layout stuff.
But actually Adobe could instead lower the prices on the CS. Last thing we need is yet *another* proprietary office format. It's also going to be heavy if the latest CS3 is any indication. Its "Device gallery" or whatever actually installs not one, but two versions of Opera on a Mac! And they all show if you do an "open with" on an html file. That's afwul.

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RE[2]: i just wish...
by tryphcycle on Thu 16th Aug 2007 19:21 UTC in reply to "RE: i just wish..."
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2006-02-16

i'd love to see iWork for windows! Pages is leaps and bounds better then Publisher... but is Mac OS only! Since 100% of Publisher users are on windows... that not the replacement i'd hoped for! Since AppleWorks was cross-platform... i'd really hoped to see its replacement as cross platform. Maybe apple will surprise us!

CS3 is indeed pretty bloated and "heavy", but it has to be for what it does!!!! I would hope that a skinny version of ID would be just that...Skinny!

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RE[3]: i just wish...
by Brmbolec on Thu 16th Aug 2007 21:12 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: i just wish..."
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2005-07-23

It doesn't have to be heavy, take a look at Pixel for example: http://www.kanzelsberger.com ... and few screenshots of upcoming Beta: http://www.kanzelsberger.com/temp/beta8mac.png and http://www.kanzelsberger.com/temp/vista.png ... download package is about 12-13Mb

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RE[4]: i just wish...
by wakeupneo on Fri 17th Aug 2007 05:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: i just wish..."
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2005-07-06

A little OT so apologies up front, but i've been using Pixel for about 6 months now, on PCLOS at home and XP at work. Overall, it's very nice to use but it does have its' quirks.

I'm yet to figure out why it's less stable on XP than it is with Linux, but if you're a casual user frustrated with the GIMP's gui or you're looking for a Photoshop replacement that doesn't cost the earth, it's well worth a look.

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RE[5]: i just wish...
by WereCatf on Fri 17th Aug 2007 06:41 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: i just wish..."
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2006-02-15

I just tried out the Pixel demo, and it sure does seem worth the money. It's not too big, has a lot of features and so on..I'm not a professional so Photoshop is way out of my league, but GIMP isn't much better: you get exactly what you pay for..It's ugly, confusing and I absolutely hate it opening dozens of new windows >_<

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RE: i just wish...
by RGCook on Fri 17th Aug 2007 01:33 UTC in reply to "i just wish..."
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2005-07-12

Thank you for the best laugh of the week tryphcycle. Punisher was classic.

I agree that Adobe is a formidable competitor. The products they produce in the markets they choose to pursue are superior. Notwithstanding resource requirements and cost.

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RE: i just wish...
by tyrione on Fri 17th Aug 2007 20:27 UTC in reply to "i just wish..."
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Scribus 1.3.4+.

http://www.scribus.net

The changes they've added make it much more powerful than Publisher and a lot less expensive than InDesign.

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I hope they do it...
by jtrapp on Thu 16th Aug 2007 18:46 UTC
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2005-07-06

Competition is good.

With Google giving away Staroffice, Apple fleshing out their office package, and with MS Office's UI change, and now--perhaps--Adobe getting into the mix...

It seems like the office productivity market will get a whole lot more interesting.

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RE: I hope they do it...
by Michael on Thu 16th Aug 2007 23:56 UTC in reply to "I hope they do it..."
Michael Member since:
2005-07-01

It's interesting to see this happening just as document standarization is gaining ground. The office market used to be quite vibrant but, like the OS market, it's stagnated over the past decade of Microsoft dominance. It's good to see it picking up again.

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Let's not forget IBM
by tamas on Fri 17th Aug 2007 03:51 UTC in reply to "I hope they do it..."
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2006-08-23

At least in the business space, IBM is starting to sneak in their (ODF-friendly) content editors for word processing, spreadsheets, etc. by incorporating them into Lotus Notes, for example.

Edited 2007-08-17 03:51

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IT'S ABOUT TIME
by lz1kwk on Thu 16th Aug 2007 19:09 UTC
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2005-11-12

I hope they will integrate it into Acrobat so I can use the same application to edit .DOC files, XLS files, ODF and PDF files. I applaud any competition but I hope that Adobe realizes that their refusal to support Linux only strengthens Microsoft and the high cost of many of their applications (When compared to Microsoft equivalents) excludes 95% of their potential market.
Let the competition begin

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This is a horrible idea.
by Pseudo Cyborg on Thu 16th Aug 2007 19:21 UTC
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2005-07-09

Adobe should focus on unifying the user-interface in its Creative suite (it looks a disheveled inconsistent mess) and work on taking all the bloat.

CS3 is in dire need of a consistent and predictable user-interface with consistent keyboard shortcuts across the applications. That's step number one. After that the need to trim the fat. The entire thing is way too resource-intensive and taxing.

The last thing they need to do is take on a whole other beast.

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RE: This is a horrible idea.
by tryphcycle on Thu 16th Aug 2007 19:31 UTC in reply to "This is a horrible idea."
tryphcycle Member since:
2006-02-16

"dobe should focus on unifying the user-interface in its Creative suite (it looks a disheveled inconsistent mess) and work on taking all the bloat.

CS3 is in dire need of a consistent and predictable user-interface with consistent keyboard shortcuts across the applications. That's step number one. After that the need to trim the fat. The entire thing is way too resource-intensive and taxing. "

Adobe HAS focused on unifying the interface!!! In every new version, each application has come closer and closer to feeling like one unit!!! of course, trying to make 10 different kind of creative apps act exactly alike is got to be the toughest thing in the world! especially considering the many of the apps began life at another company!!! (ie, Dreamweaver, flash, pagemaker>indesign,)

Personally...I think the app that needs the most help is Illustrator! even though it IS an adobe original.... it is so inconsistent and so faulty when compared to InDesign.. and Photo Shop! InDesign... and a Grand F'N Slam, though...

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RE[2]: This is a horrible idea.
by Pseudo Cyborg on Thu 16th Aug 2007 20:53 UTC in reply to "RE: This is a horrible idea."
Pseudo Cyborg Member since:
2005-07-09

You're right that Illustrator does need the most help. And, yes, there have been attempts at tying the applications together. The problem, though, is that it's still very much inconsistent across the board.

Part of the problem is that each application has its own bloat. It doesn't appear to me, as an end-user, that there is even any code-sharing going on at Adobe. It's like each app team has their own version of the wheel and aren't willing to share.

It's a managerial problem as I see it. The thought of them thinking of tackling a Productivity suite is more proof of that.

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Firefox and Linux
by kanwar.plaha on Thu 16th Aug 2007 21:48 UTC
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2006-02-20

the preview site does not work on Linux at all. Not under any browser including firefox 2.0.

So much for cross-platform ;)

Cheers.

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Ugh....no thanks.
by Phloptical on Thu 16th Aug 2007 23:52 UTC
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2006-10-10

I'd take Office over anything by Adobe any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Talk about choosing the lesser of two evils.

Acrobat is a pig, as is reader (not to mention the other lovely products they produce), you really think I want that as my primary word processor?

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Nice title
by Soulbender on Fri 17th Aug 2007 03:48 UTC
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2005-08-18

group manager for platform evangelism at Adobe


Seriously? That's his job title?

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Annoying
by monkeyhead on Fri 17th Aug 2007 14:39 UTC
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2005-07-11

Will their office suite ask me to download fifteen f--king updates every time I open it like their stupid pdf reader does?

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should be fun
by Bit_Rapist on Fri 17th Aug 2007 18:13 UTC
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2005-11-13

I don't mean to ran on Adobe but I support their stuff heavily at work and so when I hear they are making an office suite this is what goes through my mind.

1. - Will updates have to be installed one-after-the-other and in a specific order like they do now with Acrobat? I swear they hired some developers from IBM circa the 1970s to do their installation routines.

2. - Will this new adobe product suite grace us with bizarre crap like registry key permission changes at random and totally clueless error messages such as "Failed". This is what I'm used to dealing with from Adobe products sadly.

Maybe they should just go all the way and write an operating system. Their software is so bloated it feels like an OS is loading already.

Edited 2007-08-17 18:14

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Something I enjoy about iWorks version 3
by tyrione on Fri 17th Aug 2007 20:24 UTC
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2005-11-21

Apple did an incredible amount of optimization and code refactoring.

It's definitely a useable product, even on an iBook G4 1Ghz.

I've got OpenOffice/KOffice/Scribus DTP on Debian Linux, LaTeX[Kile/TeXMaker/LyX] on Debian and OS X and I'm adding iWorks 08 to the mix.

I think Adobe would be better served complementing products that could work in conjunction with iWorks and OpenOffice.

They could even offer a series of Services to be used in OS X from a custom subset of their apps and offer something similar in the Linux/*nix camp to make OpenOffice more attractive with these addons.

Since they use Qt I don't see why they wouldn't do something with Trolltech.

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