Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 16th Aug 2007 17:53 UTC, submitted by Kaj de Vos
Syllable, AtheOS The videos of the announcements made at the 2007 Syllable Conference are now available. For those who don't have Syllable 0.6.4 yet, there's a demonstration video [torrent, 75 MB AVI video]. Turning our attention to the future, there's a demonstration video of Syllable Server, the server companion to Syllable Desktop that is under development and is being built on the Linux kernel [torrent, 91 MB AVI video]. These videos contain some bloopers, but they decided to present them uncut. They were transcoded on Syllable with the Media Converter application. Also, there are a few contributed videos on YouTube: EFileBrowser on VMware, Syllable 0.6.3 on VirtualPC, on VMware, part 1 and part 2.
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by twistys on Fri 17th Aug 2007 11:06 UTC
What's the point?
by KugelKurt on Fri 17th Aug 2007 12:30 UTC
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2005-07-06

The videos (especially the Server video) are are so blurry that you can barely see anything. Why film a screen with a camera? Why not just plug a recorder into the VGA port?

The Syllable devs also screwed up Linux so much that it crashes with a USB device plugged in. WTF?
IMHO Syllable Server is a waste of time. But hey... it's the devs' time.

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RE: What's the point?
by Vanders on Fri 17th Aug 2007 12:54 UTC in reply to "What's the point?"
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2005-07-06

The Syllable devs also screwed up Linux so much that it crashes with a USB device plugged in.


As far as I am aware, Kaj has used a stock 2.6 kernel compiled like any other. It isn't anything to do with Syllable: it's a Linux bug.

WTF?


Yeah, that was pretty much our reaction as well.

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RE: What's the point?
by BurningShadow on Fri 17th Aug 2007 14:23 UTC in reply to "What's the point?"
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2006-09-07

"The Syllable devs also screwed up Linux so much that it crashes with a USB device plugged in. WTF?
I'm slightly more worried about how the Linux kernel will find new and innovative ways to screw up an otherwise good system...


"IMHO Syllable Server is a waste of time."
And so are comments like that. Why even read a news like this (plus watching a 10 minutes video), and wasting time on commenting it, if you think it's waste of time anyway?
Btw, why is it waste of time? because of the Linux part, or because of the Syllable part?

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RE[2]: What's the point?
by KugelKurt on Fri 17th Aug 2007 16:00 UTC in reply to "RE: What's the point?"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

Why even read a news like this (plus watching a 10 minutes video), and wasting time on commenting it, if you think it's waste of time anyway?

I hoped that I'd see something in the video that would change my mind, but there was nothing to see except a few guys who cannot operate a video camera and a Linux distro that's so broken that even the most bleeding edge Linux distro offers better stability.

why is it waste of time? because of the Linux part, or because of the Syllable part?


I said that I find Syllable Server a waste of time, not Syllable itself. In http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=18165&comment_id=251547 Vandaers said that they "just need to maintain our lower APIs on both kernels".
Yeah piece of cake... Obviously it's not. If it was so easy, the Server video actually had something to show like a GUI.

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RE[3]: What's the point?
by Vanders on Fri 17th Aug 2007 16:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: What's the point?"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Vanders said that they "just need to maintain our lower APIs on both kernels".
Yeah piece of cake... Obviously it's not.


Actually it will be. I've already done one prototype on top of SDL, which took about three weeks. The low-level API that will be common across server & desktop is actually pretty small.

If it was so easy, the Server video actually had something to show like a GUI.


Why do you think that? The version in the video is a development build. I need a usable development build before I can do any work on the APIs and get the appserver running. That's what is in the video. I've been on holiday and then been ill (In fact, I still am) so I haven't done any work on it yet. That's all. It's no grand conspiracy to defraud the readers of OSNews.

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I liked it very much
by jello on Fri 17th Aug 2007 16:20 UTC
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2006-08-08

Just wanted to let you know that I liked both videos.
The boot time of Syllable Desktop was excellent on the old Laptop used.
And because Syllable Desktop doesn't boot on my hardware (too new) I'm looking forward to Syllable Server (and maybe using it as a Desktop).


Syllable folks, please don't listen to discouraging posts. I like the fact that you guys have a vision and the skills to do it.

Great job, as always!

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RE: I liked it very much
by Vanders on Fri 17th Aug 2007 16:25 UTC in reply to "I liked it very much"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Just wanted to let you know that I liked both videos.


Thanks.

And because Syllable Desktop doesn't boot on my hardware (too new)


Syllable should boot on your hardware. It would be helpful if you could try the latest version and open a bug report if it still doesn't work. Syllable should never fail to boot because hardware is "too new": it may not have drivers for all of your hardware, but it should still at least boot ;)

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I can dig it.
by Jondice on Fri 17th Aug 2007 19:53 UTC
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2006-09-20

I have to admit, my first reacction was also "why bother?"

But looking at it another way, why not use different kernels for different purposes and bind them together with a common API. In some ways it makes more sense than trying to make a kernel be all things to all people (and I mean hardware just as much as I do people). It is good that there is an OS out there trying to be all things to all people, even if it will never succeed; that is wone of the things I like about linux.

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Random Thoughts
by smitty on Sat 18th Aug 2007 03:42 UTC
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2005-10-13

I hope the cameraman is a better programmer than filmmaker.

It boots impressively fast.

But is rather ugly.

I'm not really sure I could see the supposed slowness of the linux kernel, given that it was running on hardware half as fast - but then it wasn't loading a desktop so it was hard to judge.

I really like the idea of Syllable Server. Let people try the userland on another kernel if the desktop one doesn't have the correct drivers, even if it might not be quite as good of a fit. I really think the userland is what matters most anyway.

But it was really at an early stage, just regular old linux with a couple of development tools ported. It will be much more interesting once the libraries have been ported over, and that will be the tough part.

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