Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 17th Aug 2007 06:10 UTC, submitted by Philipp Esselbach
Gnome Both GNOME and GARNOME 2.19.20 have been released. "This is our seventh development release on our road towards GNOME 2.20.0, which will be released in September 2007. New features are still arriving, so your mission is simple : Go download it. Go compile it. Go test it. And go hack on it, document it, translate it, fix it."
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"What's new" list
by JCooper on Fri 17th Aug 2007 12:45 UTC
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2005-07-06

I miss Davyd Madeley's summaries of new features. I was looking through the features myself, to maybe write a short article with screenshots, but I'm not sure what's in and what's not.

Having said that, the new Clearlooks is fantastic, but the deskbar applet has had some major changes and is now pretty awful looking.

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RE: "What's new" list
by ThawkTH on Fri 17th Aug 2007 14:44 UTC in reply to ""What's new" list"
ThawkTH Member since:
2005-07-06

Where can I find some screenshots of the new Clearlooks?

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RE[2]: "What's new" list
by mezz on Fri 17th Aug 2007 16:51 UTC in reply to "RE: "What's new" list"
mezz Member since:
2005-06-29

Here: http://people.freebsd.org/~mezz/new-clearlooks.png

Running GNOME 2.19.90 on FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE.

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RE[3]: "What's new" list
by superstoned on Sun 19th Aug 2007 07:26 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: "What's new" list"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

Hmmm. Imho a step back. I don't like the tabs, nor the new menu selection bar. I prefer the clearlooks version Ubuntu ships, imho the best looking style on linux ATM ;-)

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by Hiev on Fri 17th Aug 2007 13:07 UTC
Hiev
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2005-09-27

Here is a list of the changes:

http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointNineteen/ReleaseNotes


No screenshots so far.

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library.gnome.org
by segedunum on Fri 17th Aug 2007 14:33 UTC
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2005-07-06

Well, buried in there I found a pretty helpful web site: http://library.gnome.org/

This looks like a new information site for info for users, and lots of information for developers and handy guides (http://library.gnome.org/devel/guides).

Edited 2007-08-17 14:35

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clearlooks screenshot
by m_yates on Fri 17th Aug 2007 15:38 UTC
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2006-04-05
Neat
by kaiwai on Fri 17th Aug 2007 15:40 UTC
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

Looking good. Hopefully it will appear in openSolaris download soon. They have not given much details on the widget kit enhancements.

Browser: Nokia6165i/2.0 (AZ100V1400.nep) UP.Browser/6.2.3.8 MMP/2.0

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RE: Neat
by kelvin on Fri 17th Aug 2007 16:41 UTC in reply to "Neat"
kelvin Member since:
2005-07-06

GNOME 2.20 is based on the same GTK+ version as GNOME 2.18 (GTK+ 2.10). The release of GTK+ 2.12 is imminent though, so it'll be a hard requirement for GNOME 2.22.

One major enhancement in 2.12 is the inclusion of GtkBuilder -- the functionality of libglade integrated into GTK+.

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RE[2]: Neat
by taschenorakel on Fri 17th Aug 2007 18:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Neat"
taschenorakel Member since:
2005-07-06

To my knowledge GTK+ 2.12 and GNOME 2.20 will be released together.

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RE: Neat
by tristan on Sat 18th Aug 2007 03:27 UTC in reply to "Neat"
tristan Member since:
2006-02-01
v Desktop Environment for non-techies?
by weirdnut on Fri 17th Aug 2007 16:11 UTC
irbis Member since:
2005-07-08

Quite often reading the text first helps understanding it better. This is only a small development release, not yet a new official Gnome release, so naturally the announcement text here may sound quite techy...

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baadger Member since:
2006-08-29

You sure use "pardon me" and "excuse me" in a lot of your comments...

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jdub Member since:
2005-08-19

Those are in-development, pre-release notes for what will become a beautifully written and illustrated overview of the new release... when it's actually release time! :-)

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ThawkTH Member since:
2005-07-06

If Gnome is not a DE for ordinary people, tell me what is.


Expecting a BETA release to be targetted towards ordinary people is INSANE.

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jessta Member since:
2005-08-17

non-techies don't update their desktop environment. They don't even know what a desktop environment is.
They wait for a new release of their distribution and just install whatever they are given.

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Here's a draft
by SlackerJack on Fri 17th Aug 2007 19:47 UTC
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2005-11-12

But it's not done yet, The new clearlooks(formally Gummy) looks real nice and the new theme UI changes are much better.

Edited 2007-08-17 19:51

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New clearlooks
by baadger on Fri 17th Aug 2007 21:03 UTC
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2006-08-29

It just goes to show how much of a divider visual changes can be. I can't stand the new Clearlooks 2.20 widget theme and also prefer the unofficial(?) "Clearlooks 2" metacity theme over any of the ones bundled with Gnome.

I'm running 2.19.90 (or something pretty close), to be honest the changes are once again subtle but overall a nice improvement on 2.18. I much prefer these evolutionary releases to massive breaking ones.

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weirdnut
Member since:
2006-01-19

All right, I was fooled by the way OSNews brought the news. I'm sorry for that.

In the subject of the article, it does say "GNOME 2.19.90 Released" without any mention of beta's, but I should have continued reading a bit better, I wholefully agree.

btw. I really do think it's funny how actual developers of GNOME seem to be less irritated by my previous post than people who just use the software ;)

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jdub Member since:
2005-08-19

If it has an odd minor version (major.minor.micro), then for GNOME you know for sure that it's an alpha or beta of some kind. Stable releases have even minor versions.

Users get to choose when they want to pick a fight over their favourite software. Developers don't - it's shoved in their face every day. That's true for all projects.

Your comment was written in a nasty way as well as being misinformed. I'll look over the nasty long enough to fix the misinformation that others will read... and hopefully you've learned something here as well.

:-)

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weirdnut Member since:
2006-01-19

Perhaps I'm an idiot, but I am one with a life.

I'm one of those "taking-a-sneek-peek-at-this-linux-thing-every-few-months" guys and try to keep just a little bit up by reading OSNews and other Linux and Gnome/Kde-related sites. Thank you for doing your very best to scare me.

As much as I would love to know about each and every silly thing in this world.. with 24 hours a day of which at least 8 ought to be used for sleep, another 8 for work and the last 8 hours for social activities (you know, things like working out, having sex and having fun), that has just become an impossibility.

Perhaps I was misinformed, but I do not call people idiots and I also do not assume I know 'facts' about people I don't know.

I would happily slap you in the face and call you betty, but unfortunately, I am usually a well mannered and friendly person.

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diskinetic Member since:
2005-12-09

So, you don't want him making baseless assumptions about your character from what was just a corrective commentary, but you feel pretty sure that he:

a. has no life
b. has knowledge about mostly silly things
c. makes poorer use of his 24 hours than you do

Take it easy when telling people to take it easy. It rings more sincere.

Off this topic and back onto THE topic. I have always (well at least recently) liked the Gnome project's look and feel, and the newer iterations seem to accelerate the improvements, if anything. I will, however, be holding out for the full release, as I'm clam-happy with my current Gnome setup.

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weirdnut Member since:
2006-01-19

That's your take on it. I wasn't implying anything and was actually talking about myself only.

If you're doing your best, you could read every bit of text differently then someone meant it to be. I know I'm the bad guy in this story, but please, don't try to see things that aren't there.

Anyhow, one thing we all do have in common is that we think Gnome is nice. No arguing about that.

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Documentation!!!
by richip on Sat 18th Aug 2007 16:00 UTC
richip
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2006-08-30

OMG! That (http://library.gnome.org/) is a thing of beauty and is exactly what I've been pining for! Prior to that, programming Gnome libs and APIs was just a matter of going through doxygen (or whatever software they used) generated API references. I had to scrounge around for tutorials to figure out how to actually USE the Gnome "objects" and libraries.

One thing about Java programmers is many have gotten good at including a user's guide into their code comments so that Javadoc-generated docs stand alone as both user guide as well as API reference.

Thanks go to the people who've been working on library.gnome.org. Will the web site allow for contributions and collaboration by people (perhaps via comments at the bottom a'la PHP.net docs or wiki-style changing with discussions a'la Mediawiki)?

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