Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 3rd Sep 2007 22:16 UTC
PC-BSD PC-BSD 1.4 RC1 has been released. "After a month of refinement, the PC-BSD team is pleased to make available the 1.4RC release. This update addresses many of the reported bugs from 1.4BETA, as well as adding working i18n support for international languages. PC-BSD 1.4RC can be downloaded via our mirrors or via Torrent on the 1.4 download page."
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nice!
by poundsmack on Mon 3rd Sep 2007 23:20 UTC
poundsmack
Member since:
2005-07-13

i am continualy impressed with this project. i really cant wait to see pc-bsd running KDE 4 and using opera 9.5 on a (when that time comes) tried and tested freebsd 7.0 stable core.

and that my friends is my dream OS. ....mmmmmmm

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RE: nice!
by vikramsharma on Tue 4th Sep 2007 04:06 UTC in reply to "nice!"
vikramsharma Member since:
2005-07-06

KDE4+FreeBSD 7.0 yummy, congrats to Kris Moore and the team of PC-BSD.

Reply Score: 3

PC-BSD
by lefty78312 on Tue 4th Sep 2007 00:18 UTC
lefty78312
Member since:
2005-10-18

I wish I had a spare PC to install it on, but I ain't gonna put it on my main box. It looks like it has some serious potential. I'd really like to see it as a live CD.

Reply Score: 3

RE: PC-BSD
by Geoff Gigg on Tue 4th Sep 2007 00:49 UTC in reply to "PC-BSD"
Geoff Gigg Member since:
2006-01-21

You could try the VMWare image, if that's an option for you. (Latest is 1.3.01)

http://www.pcbsd.org/?p=download#vmware

Reply Score: 4

great
by happycamper on Tue 4th Sep 2007 09:11 UTC
happycamper
Member since:
2006-01-01

I like what I'm seeing, i think PC-BSD is on the right track. Once 1.4 is out, i will not download it, but i will subscribe to the official cd-roms to help the project out.

Reply Score: 3

very impressed
by buff on Tue 4th Sep 2007 12:17 UTC
buff
Member since:
2005-11-12

i am continually impressed with this project. i really cant wait to see pc-bsd running Gnome 2.20 and using Firefox 3.0 on a (when that time comes) tried and tested freebsd 7.0 stable core.

and that my friends is my dream OS. ....mmmmmmm

Reply Score: 4

Yes that would be a dream.
by tgrondin on Tue 4th Sep 2007 14:30 UTC
tgrondin
Member since:
2007-07-20

I would love to see a freebsd based desktop with gnome and all the great stuff it has. I just cant find my self liking kde for some odd reason. As soon as someone puts the polish into a freebsd based gnome variant I'll spend money on it.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Yes that would be a dream.
by dindin on Tue 4th Sep 2007 15:13 UTC in reply to "Yes that would be a dream."
dindin Member since:
2006-03-29

Same here ...cannot take a shine to KDE ...

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RE: Yes that would be a dream.
by Joe User on Tue 4th Sep 2007 23:19 UTC in reply to "Yes that would be a dream."
Joe User Member since:
2005-06-29

From what I read on their forum, there will NEVER be a Gnome version.

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v RE[2]: Yes that would be a dream.
by tgrondin on Tue 4th Sep 2007 23:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Yes that would be a dream."
ElectricDevil Member since:
2006-08-22

And since when did your personal opinion regarding the Gnome/KDE "issue" become a meaningful asset to the broader community?

I'm sorry to rant, but PC-BSD is a KDE centric OS based on FreeBSD. If you don't like it, fine, but there's no public value in those kind of opinions.
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I've been using 1.4 beta since the first release and it works great in most aspects, network stability is one notable exeption.

Also, I've never had any success running any version of PC-BSD on any kind/brand of RAID controller. Whereas FreeBSD will run flawlessly on the same hardware. Ranging from cheap to medium and high priced controllers.

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RE[4]: Yes that would be a dream.
by antik on Wed 5th Sep 2007 11:57 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Yes that would be a dream."
antik Member since:
2006-05-19

Also, I've never had any success running any version of PC-BSD on any kind/brand of RAID controller. Whereas FreeBSD will run flawlessly on the same hardware.
Strange, PC-BSD was only desktop BSD that supported all kind of raid controllers in installer (3ware, LSI, Adaptec). Tried same with DesktopBSD and failed.

Reply Score: 2

tgrondin Member since:
2007-07-20

It is a business problem, not a personal issue. I support a wide range of users who are using linux on the desktop right now. I am unable to switch them over to using a bsd based desktop because of the refusal to support the gnome environment. I simple don't have time or desire to retrain current users on kde, especially since kde is in the process of shifting from 3x / 4x.

It is really sad to see such blatant refusal to support gnome from the pcbsd project. I would love to use fbsd as a base operating system instead of (linux + gnu + random stuff).

Reply Score: 1

Brandybuck Member since:
2006-08-27

I am unable to switch them over to using a bsd based desktop because of the refusal to support the gnome environment.

What do you mean by "support"? There is absolutely nothing stopping you from installing GNOME on your users systems. Nothing. If you don't like the fact that KDE is the default, use vanilla FreeBSD instead.

Reply Score: 2

Looking FWD to the final!
by TaterSalad on Tue 4th Sep 2007 15:52 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

The 1.4beta was the first version of PC-BSD to install on my laptop. Version 1.3 wouldn't boot up. While I did get 1.4b to install it would lock up after 5 mins of use with having 3d acceleration on as well as off. Hopefully they can resolve that, if so I'll be one happy spud.

For now I'm using desktopbsd which didn't have any issues installing on the laptop and it came with a game that no linux install has ever come with before. I present to you knetwalk! My newest addiction ;)

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x86-64 support?
by PunchCardGuy on Tue 4th Sep 2007 18:45 UTC
PunchCardGuy
Member since:
2006-04-14

Maybe I am too lazy to dig for this, but does anyone know if there is or will be (when?) an x86-64 version of this or any other desktop oriented BSD-based OS?

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RE: x86-64 support?
by Haicube on Tue 4th Sep 2007 20:52 UTC in reply to "x86-64 support?"
Haicube Member since:
2005-08-06

AFAICT PCBSD doesn't provide any 64bit builds yet, however more of us wait for that to happen =)

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System and KDE i18n issues
by Doc Pain on Tue 4th Sep 2007 22:35 UTC
Doc Pain
Member since:
2006-10-08

In the 1.3 times, PC-BSD had some language issues. This is what pissed many "lower educated" german users off: They assumed to have a german system installed, but error messages were presented in english. Some PBIs installed afterwards did not provide a german GUI interface. I think this problem is because of KDE. Furthermore, in Germany ISO-8859-1 is needed to be set, PC-BSD sets UTF-8... As long as you rely on KDE, german language works in most (but sadly not all) cases. But text mode and non-KDE applications do not work as assumed. (NB: Text mode is needed on some cases for maintenance operations and troubleshooting.)

I hope 1.4 will provide a better support for german language. The german translations are very sloppy and cannot compete with an english system - which I prefer, allthough german is my native language, but I cannot stand the bad or not existing translations. I'll still have a look at it.

Not having everything (!) in german as the native language is what makes newbies (and users who want to abandon expensive MICROS~1 products) to come back to their "good XP". Allthough, as we all know, users do not want to read, recognizing error messages and their content is important.

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RE: System and KDE i18n issues
by Joe User on Tue 4th Sep 2007 23:22 UTC in reply to "System and KDE i18n issues"
Joe User Member since:
2005-06-29

in Germany ISO-8859-1 is needed to be set, PC-BSD sets UTF-8

Nope. German doesn't need iso-8859-1. It works very well with utf-8. utf-8 is THE recommended character encoding as it is designed to work with virtually any language in the world, while isos were designed to work with only one language family (ie: western european). Most OSes have migrated or are migrating to utf-8. The web is also migrating to utf-8 for the same reason. If you look at web 2.0 web sites, 99% of them use utf-8 encoding.

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RE[2]: System and KDE i18n issues
by Doc Pain on Wed 5th Sep 2007 14:57 UTC in reply to "RE: System and KDE i18n issues"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"Nope. German doesn't need iso-8859-1. It works very well with utf-8."

Inside KDE, yes, it works properly. If you need to work in text mode, problems do occur, you cannot enter umlauts or ligatures, or they are not displayed properly.

Cont.: http://osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=18560&comment_id=268873

"utf-8 is THE recommended character encoding as it is designed to work with virtually any language in the world, while isos were designed to work with only one language family (ie: western european). Most OSes have migrated or are migrating to utf-8."

Thank you for this explaination. I will have a concrete look at it.

"The web is also migrating to utf-8 for the same reason."

Last time I checked, no charset declaration is done. While (meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1") has been the usual declaration for standard conform pages for some years, you can see some different "Windows" charsets, too, which usually produce defective outputs inside the web browser. The migration you mentioned would require a massive change in HTML files. Maybe "new" pages will be UTF, but "old" pages will surely stay ISO for a while.

"If you look at web 2.0 web sites, 99% of them use utf-8 encoding."

UFT-8 has been around for a long time. As far as I know, it's being used in mails to display non-standard characters in topics / concerns and inside the message body.

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RE: System and KDE i18n issues
by Oliver on Wed 5th Sep 2007 09:32 UTC in reply to "System and KDE i18n issues"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

German ASCII would be ISO-8859-15 instead of -1 and furthermore we are using unicode (UTF-8) in Germany.

>The german translations are very sloppy

If you're are from Germany, help them!

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RE[2]: System and KDE i18n issues
by Doc Pain on Wed 5th Sep 2007 14:49 UTC in reply to "RE: System and KDE i18n issues"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"German ASCII would be ISO-8859-15 instead of -1 and furthermore we are using unicode (UTF-8) in Germany. "

ISO-8859-15 features the Euro sign instead of the generic currency sign, umlauts are supported in both of them. UTF-8 unicode does not seem to have an effect on some non-KDE apps and no effect in text mode, so umlauts or the eszett ligature cannot be entered. FreeBSD uses some system variables to control language specific behaviour in order to display certain values in the preferred regional format (LC_TIME, LC_MONETARY, LC_COLLATE etc.), others do control program output languages (LC_MESSAGES). Inside KDE, UFT-8 is the correct choice, I agree. As long as you stick to KDE applications and don't do any "strange" stuff, you won't notice anything.

"If you're are from Germany, help them!"

Sorry, KDE is definitely not designed for me, I had to waste a lot of red pencils... :-)

Furthermore, we have a high rate of functional illiteracy here in Germany, so no one would see any difference. Fundamental techniques of society (such as reading, writing, elementar mathematics) are not very important here, sadly.

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A question about booting
by trooper9 on Wed 5th Sep 2007 08:14 UTC
trooper9
Member since:
2007-04-27

I've never been able to get PC-BSD to install a boot loader and "just work" without resorting to something like GAG (same story for me with FreeBSD). Does PC-BSD now install a boot loader that "just works"? Something along the lines of grub?

Reply Score: 1

RE: A question about booting
by Lengsel on Wed 5th Sep 2007 08:33 UTC in reply to "A question about booting"
Lengsel Member since:
2006-04-19

FreeBSD has its own installer. Although GRUB can work with FreeBSD, they've developed their own. The last time I saw any kind of a PC-BSD installation, it seems to just basically ask if you want a boot loader menu or not. But if you install FreeBSD, it asks if you want the FreeBSD boot loader, the standard one, or none. So I am not really clear on what you are saying, what the problem is.

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RE[2]: A question about booting
by trooper9 on Thu 6th Sep 2007 05:26 UTC in reply to "RE: A question about booting"
trooper9 Member since:
2007-04-27

It's not really a problem, per se. I'm just used to loading linux and having grub install as the boot loader and picking up windows or whatever else I've got on my drives at the time and it "just working" as far as being able to boot into linux, windows, or whatever.

Every time I've loaded any form of BSD, however, the boot loader it installs never seems to work and I have to either reconfigure grub to pick it up, use GAG, or have the BSD variant as my only OS.

Basically, I was wondering if the PC-BSD boot loader worked a little better/easier -- like grub.

Reply Score: 1