Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Sep 2007 16:56 UTC, submitted by JJ
SuSE, openSUSE Christoph Thiel annouced the release of openSUSE 10.3 Beta 3. "It's my pleasure to announce the availability of openSUSE 10.3 Beta3. This is the last beta release before entering RC phase in two weeks. Many thanks to everyone who has contributed to this release of openSUSE! Important changes since Beta2: Linux kernel 2.6.22.5, libzypp 3.22.1; improved package lists of the 1-CD GNOME and KDE editions; countless bug fixes in every component; reworked concept of language bundles."
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v patents?
by antik on Thu 6th Sep 2007 18:26 UTC
RE: patents?
by magick on Thu 6th Sep 2007 18:32 UTC in reply to "patents?"
magick Member since:
2005-08-29

<irony> Yeah, that damn Novell and their stupid MS deal... @#$%!</irony>

Can we continue with our lifes please?

Edited 2007-09-06 18:33

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RE[2]: patents?
by hussam on Sat 8th Sep 2007 02:33 UTC in reply to "RE: patents?"
hussam Member since:
2006-08-17

magick, instead of the childish reply and personal attack, you could have just redirected him to a better explanation of the situation for example http://andreasjaeger.blogspot.com/2006/11/opensuse-and-microsoft.ht...
In any case the free opensuse doesn't ship MS patented stuff (Remember the freetype issue?).

Edited 2007-09-08 02:34

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Kernel 2.6.22.5, etc
by magick on Thu 6th Sep 2007 18:29 UTC
magick
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2005-08-29

It's a real shame that they (Novell) turned such good distro into test bed for a commercial product. I'm really eager to see it in action though.

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He** Yeah, I'm gonna buy it!
by hibridmatthias on Thu 6th Sep 2007 19:03 UTC
hibridmatthias
Member since:
2007-04-11

I have decided to actually buy the boxed version when 10.3 comes out. I have't actually bought one since 9.3 but I got excited when SLED 10 came out. Unfortunately, I was disappointed when it fried my laptop (Compaq NX6325 fan issues), couldn't get wireless working (without hacking it with ndiswrapper), and still had no codec support, even though it was supposed to be the corporate offering.

With the disappointment with their enterprise solution, I have decided to go back to the OpenSuSE distros and support them with my wallet. Since I've been using 10.1, 10.2, and 10.3 beta downloads, I want to buy this one before they add KDE4 and show my support for the Open folks...And I just love having the big sexy manuals on my shelf at work as conversational pieces!!!

Anyone else considering doing so?

Edited 2007-09-06 19:06

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RE: He** Yeah, I'm gonna buy it!
by jakesdad on Thu 6th Sep 2007 19:10 UTC in reply to "He** Yeah, I'm gonna buy it!"
jakesdad Member since:
2005-12-28

I like you have not bought anything since 9.3. But I am considering, as you are, buying this one.
Patent smatent, I like SUSE.

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RE: He** Yeah, I'm gonna buy it!
by magick on Thu 6th Sep 2007 19:33 UTC in reply to "He** Yeah, I'm gonna buy it!"
magick Member since:
2005-08-29

I've considered buying retail Suse distro since Novell took over, but didn't really have an opportunity, because my local dealer lates with updates for like a year or so. And buying 10.1 when 10.2 already came out isn't a nicest feeling. I guess I'll have go to Novell's on-line store.

I know there are many great distros out there, with better package management and everything, but I've just fell in love with polished KDE interface, yast, sax2, packman and stuff... you know what I mean? ;)

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hibridmatthias Member since:
2007-04-11

Yes I totally know what you mean.

I like KDE a lot and the SUSE polish a LOT. I originally tried Redhat at 6.0 and fell in love with KDE; I am in the Linus T. school of though when it comes to DEs; I have tried Kubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Xandros, and a number of smaller KDE based distros as replacements and for the heck of it, but I just like the feel. I only hope updates were as easy as 9.3...my one worry with buying this...

Not to mention Scribus and a few other of my primary apps always have OpenSuse RPMs built and ready to rcok flawlessly almost as quickly as the new versions come out...A great user experience indeed...

Edited 2007-09-06 20:16

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RE: He** Yeah, I'm gonna buy it!
by HeLfReZ on Thu 6th Sep 2007 19:47 UTC in reply to "He** Yeah, I'm gonna buy it!"
HeLfReZ Member since:
2005-08-12

I was on the same ship. I really WANTED to buy SLED10 because it has some amazing polish. But it's like it would take more work to get all the extras installed, than it would just using opensuse. Makes no sense to smear a buncha opensuse packages on top of SLED, when you can just run opensuse.

What I would really like to see from opensuse is some sort of server freeze/release alongside sled. At least with RHEL you have clones like CentOS, but SLES/SLED has no such clones. OpenSUSE can't be used in production for me because it's to big of a moving target. A OpenSUSE Server repackage of SLES/SLED would be awesome, and no, just running OpenSUSE 10.0 isnt the same thing lol.

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RE: He** Yeah, I'm gonna buy it!
by netpython on Fri 7th Sep 2007 17:03 UTC in reply to "He** Yeah, I'm gonna buy it!"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

Depends on how many nasty bugs are ironed out of the final release. I have bought and gotten from work every release since 7.1. Releases 10,10.1 and 10.2 is what drove me away from SuSE,zmd,libzyp etc.

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hibridmatthias Member since:
2007-04-11

I second that. That fiasco is the reason I started trying different KDE based distros...

I read (I apologize for the lack of reference) they were stepping back to the way it was before the mess that was ZMD and all that Mono Stuff that made updates painful and broken. Let the corporate people have it with 10.0;

Wow, 7.1! I think that is the furthest back by anyone else on this thread; do I here 7? I think 6.sometihing was included in the Linux version of Quake, if I am not mistaken...I have that boxed set at home in the metal can but never opened it! :-) I might hae to try that version just for the heck of it on my old desktop box...

Edited 2007-09-07 21:08

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dpeterc Member since:
2007-09-08

Wow, 7.1! I think that is the furthest back by anyone else on this thread;
I have every SUSE box from 4.4.1 onwards. But this does not impress SUSE people when I report bugs.

Just deleted the 10.3 beta3 and went back to beta2, since Nvidia can't be installed and configured on beta3, but it works OK on beta2.
Also, beta2 actually boots fast, while beta3 wastes 30 extra seconds doing nothing while resetting the sata hard drive with failed response.

I am switching my company (and many customers) to Ubuntu, if Novel can't get their act together on 10.3.
I am sick of Beagle and mandb chewing my hard drive instead of letting me do my job.

First login to any account takes one minute. Come one - I have a quad core, 2 GB RAM, 500 GB hard drive, and I have to wait one minute to login!?! Somebody needs to learn how to use a profiler. Next logins are faster, but if you are installing many systems, these one-time configuration inefficiencies sum up quickly. And don't get me started on printer configuration with changed printer database on every mouse click... It takes ages. I don't know what is it doing in the background, but either some parsing code really sucks, or somebody didn't think straight and just makes a lot of useless calculations. Just an example, these things are all over the place.

Yast has its strong points, but with Ubuntu, you have the new package installed faster than Yast comes up (without doing anything).

I really wish SUSE would work properly, and hate to do the switch, since it is much more difficult in a business environment, especially because of support. But I am really sick of steady decline of quality and same issues appearing again with every release. The release cycle is also much too slow now - one release per year is too little, given the sorry state of Linux hardware support and quick turnaround of hardware on the market. Just when your printer becomes supported, you can no longer buy it, because a new model came out.

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RE: He** Yeah, I'm gonna buy it!
by REMF on Thu 6th Sep 2007 21:03 UTC
REMF
Member since:
2006-02-05

i think i may well buy this version, been using suse since 9.1 when i got the evaluation copy from Novell.

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Suse server 7
by HeLfReZ on Fri 7th Sep 2007 23:55 UTC
HeLfReZ
Member since:
2005-08-12

Was the first suse distro I used, and even back then it was amazing compared to the other stuff out. That was what originally turned me into a linux junkie, I worked for a major player at the time and we had access to all of the enterprise goodies..I have at least tested every version of suse since then.

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