Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Sep 2007 23:11 UTC, submitted by Forsberg
X11, Window Managers X.org 7.3 was released earlier today, but because the X.org website was unreachable, we bring you this news a bit late. X.org 7.3 includes RandR 1.2, input hotplug (both enable hotplugging of devices), improvements in KDrive, DTrace support, and more.
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Great work!
by kcy29581 on Thu 6th Sep 2007 23:21 UTC
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2006-05-11

Brilliant! I'll try and give this a go if I can get on the website. ;)

Great work team; thanks for this. I'll be testing the input hotplug functionality when I get this working.

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v When did OSNEWS stoop so low?
by villagerman on Thu 6th Sep 2007 23:47 UTC
RE: When did OSNEWS stoop so low?
by zizban on Thu 6th Sep 2007 23:49 UTC in reply to "When did OSNEWS stoop so low?"
zizban Member since:
2005-07-06

Your snide comment about Linux aside, it links to a wiki and no one created the wiki page for it (yet).

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

The linux comment was inane, but it *is* strange to link to empty wiki pages in the article excerpt.

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zizban Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, that I agree with but that was wasn't the point of the parent's post.

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Kokopelli Member since:
2005-07-06

I thought so too till I went to the main article and saw that it linked to the same pair of empty pages. Presumably someone will flesh them out soon?

Edit: I have tremendous respect for the X.org team but the wiki is far from comprehensive. There are a lot of links to pages not made yet or with very minimal information.

Edited 2007-09-07 02:46

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Honestly, some people take the whole "defend Linux" thing about to seriously! I'm actively getting my company to use Linux. Wrong person to hit, guys. ;)


Mate, you came onto this board trolling; you weren't marked down because of 'crushed ego' but because of a stupid demark that was so offtopic it was in a league of its own. Nothing to do with being precious.

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Isolationist Member since:
2006-05-28

"Honestly, some people take the whole "defend Linux" thing about to seriously! I'm actively getting my company to use Linux. Wrong person to hit, guys. ;) "

I hope you don't work for SCO? ;)

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kcy29581 Member since:
2006-05-11

Never! ;)

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Can someone please show me the trolling remark? Cause it seems to me you don't get humour...


Lower the viewing threshold and you'll see it (probably sitting at -5) - its not funny, its pathetic. I love a bit of humour that tickles my funny bone and takes the piss, but it wasn't even funny in the romotest sense.

Heck, I love weird and worderful things like "Trigger Happy TV" and the likes, and it doesn't even sit in that realm of weirdness. It was a pathetic troll, plain and simple. Accusing contributors of being anti-linux and dishonest, its pathetic.

Maybe he would be good for a guest on David Letterman to suit his line up of non-humourous antics which are so painful to watch they would make you eyes and ears bleed.

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kcy29581 Member since:
2006-05-11

Well, this is weird. I have my threshold to -5 (I always do). I've tried every single view as well (expanded, threaded, collapsed, whatever option is there) and still can't see it.

To kawai: At least now I know that it wasn't me who put the trolling remark, even though for some reason you accused me of doing it... Surely you should apologise for that, at least?

EDIT: Found it sitting at -17... The option to see comments below my threshold doesn't appear on my Mac, I'll sort that out later!
It wasn't "that" bad what villagerman, just childish...

Edited 2007-09-09 12:37

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RE: When did OSNEWS stoop so low?
by smitty on Fri 7th Sep 2007 00:19 UTC in reply to "When did OSNEWS stoop so low?"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

What the heck does linux have to do with a new X.Org release?

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Excuses?
by abraxas on Thu 6th Sep 2007 23:48 UTC
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2005-07-07

but because the X.org website was unreachable, we bring you this news a bit late

That's funny I checked out the Xorg webiste several hours ago where I noticed the update. I think somebody just dropped the ball on this one.

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RE: Excuses?
by anevilyak on Fri 7th Sep 2007 00:07 UTC in reply to "Excuses?"
anevilyak Member since:
2005-09-14

No, I can confirm that it was down for me earlier today. (US central time).

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X.Org rocks!
by asdx24 on Fri 7th Sep 2007 02:16 UTC
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2007-05-17

Thank you developers for another great release, I will be compiling this asap, you developers are rock stars ;)

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Great Effort Guys
by vikramsharma on Fri 7th Sep 2007 04:36 UTC
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2005-07-06

Hearty Congratulations to all people involved. Can't wait to get my hand on 7.3

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congrats
by REMF on Fri 7th Sep 2007 07:21 UTC
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2006-02-05

i look forward to it in suse 10.3.

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Uh?
by renox on Fri 7th Sep 2007 07:48 UTC
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2005-07-06

The announce is not clear: XOrg 7.3 and server 1.4?

What is server 1.4? Is-it because they split XOrg into several components?

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RE: Uh?
by slougi on Fri 7th Sep 2007 09:07 UTC in reply to "Uh?"
slougi Member since:
2006-08-16

Yes. X.org is the whole set of software, which is now at 7.3. It includes as a major component the X server version 1.4.

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*buntu
by siki_miki on Fri 7th Sep 2007 07:52 UTC
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2006-01-17

Will Ubuntu still ship with 1.3 xserver? (7.3 comes with 1.4). I'm not sure that ATI and Nvidia binary blobs will be compatible, probably not. Though this IS official xorg release unlike 1.3.

xserver 1.4 for example breaks video driver ABI again, converting (some?) drivers to a new PCI access stuff.

Btw. they modularised everything, so packages can be released independently (there are interdependencies of course). Unfortunately it is a bit painful to download and build each package, though distribution packagers should handle it. Xorg release is a snapshot of certain versions of (most) packages.

Edited 2007-09-07 07:56

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RE: *buntu
by psychicist on Fri 7th Sep 2007 14:21 UTC in reply to "*buntu"
psychicist Member since:
2007-01-27

xserver 1.4 for example breaks video driver ABI again, converting (some?) drivers to a new PCI access stuff.


Does this new PCI access stuff include support for multi-domain PCI?

I have a SPARC server running Slackware 12.0 but cannot use Xorg 7.2 because the Xserver can't initialise either the Tech Source GFX (Permedia 2) graphics adapter with the "glint" driver or a PC Radeon 9250 with the "ati" driver.

Edited 2007-09-07 14:28 UTC

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RE[2]: *buntu
by siki_miki on Fri 7th Sep 2007 15:29 UTC in reply to "RE: *buntu"
siki_miki Member since:
2006-01-17

Looks like a question for Xorg esperts (->xorg mailing list). I guess the answer depends if card(s) is programmable enough to turn off VGA stuff and able to handle remapped IO regions, but also I'm not sure if libpciaccess and kernel stuff is already capable of supporting two video devices at the same time.

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RE[3]: *buntu
by psychicist on Fri 7th Sep 2007 17:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: *buntu"
psychicist Member since:
2007-01-27

I have read the "Release Notes" and unfortunately the problem will only be solved in the 1.5 server. It is said to have been present at least since server 1.3 was released so I will try previous and head versions to see if the problem is either absent or solved there.

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milestone
by vege on Fri 7th Sep 2007 07:52 UTC
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2006-04-07

real display hotplug support and ease of RandR configuration is a real milestone in the daily life of many desktop Linux users, especially of those who use notebooks with different external displays at different places.

thank you XOrg team!

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While we're on the subject of X:
by Laurence on Fri 7th Sep 2007 09:31 UTC
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2007-03-26

While we're on the subject of X, maybe you guys could offer some help on a problem i've recently encountered:

I've been playing about with dual monitors on my nVideo card using SVideo out to my TV. The problem I've had is that I can't get applications (VLC specifically) to full screen display on the TV if the application is running on the monitor and running applications on the TV isn't practical as the screen definition is too poor to make out the fine text in the X11 applications.

So what I'm after is either an easy way to either move application from one XScreen to anthoer (perhaps in a simular way to how you move applications from one Desktop to another?) or to fix applications so they can display on multiple different XScreens at the same time.

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hyriand Member since:
2006-04-03

Instead of using 2 seperate screens, you should look into using nvidia's Twinview or X' Xinerama. This basically merges your two screens into one larger screen.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"Instead of using 2 seperate screens, you should look into using nvidia's Twinview or X' Xinerama. This basically merges your two screens into one larger screen."


I tried Xinerama but that just ground KDE to a snails pace and c*cked up the wallpaper (though this is just minor 'picky' issue).

I'll read up some-more on Xinerama as maybe i set something wrong (I really wasn't sure what i was doing when i enabled it) and have a play with twin view tonight.

thanks for you help mate

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DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"The problem I've had is that I can't get applications (VLC specifically) to full screen display on the TV if the application is running on the monitor and running applications on the TV isn't practical as the screen definition is too poor to make out the fine text in the X11 applications."

I ran into this awhile ago. This is purposely locked out due to legal restrictions. I found this information on the VLC website somewhere about 9 months ago or so. Thank the movie industry folks, as this is to supposedly prevent people from pirating movies.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"I ran into this awhile ago. This is purposely locked out due to legal restrictions. I found this information on the VLC website somewhere about 9 months ago or so. Thank the movie industry folks, as this is to supposedly prevent people from pirating movies."


hehehe that's just madness.

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daddio
Member since:
2007-07-14

X configuration has been the last place on my Linux machines that I have still had problems getting a decent configuration. The steps toward automagic have made this worse as I have had to disable EDID support on a couple of systems with 6-year-old CRT's. I hope to finally see a system that won't screw up if you boot with the monitor off.

I'm also excited for the implications for multiple monitors. I hope this doesn't come across as negative. There have been (and may yet be) some real growing pains as xorg 7 has matured, but It had a long was to go from where Xfree86 was forked, to where it needed to go

KUDOS on this important milestone

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Great
by Xaero_Vincent on Fri 7th Sep 2007 15:09 UTC
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2006-08-18

Another fine update to one of the most crucial elements of today's *nix desktop and workstation environments.

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Open source ati drivers.
by cyclops on Fri 7th Sep 2007 21:24 UTC
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2006-03-12

I've been busting for this release for forever. Everything seems to be falling into place for Desktop GNU.

What I've noticed on the release page is that xf86-video-ati has been dropped altogether. When initially it said keep the 11 month old 6.6.3 or release with the 6.7 branch.

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DPI bug
by unavowed on Sat 8th Sep 2007 19:09 UTC
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2006-03-23

Unfortunately, it seems that the new Xorg no longer respects the DisplaySize directive when using Intel drivers and the DPI comes out wrong unless you later set it correctly using xrandr. My monitor has 85x85 DPI at 1024x768 (i.e., it's 15 inch) and fonts are too big at 96x96, which is the default.

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X -configure
by diegoviola on Sun 9th Sep 2007 08:13 UTC
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2006-08-15

i compiled xorg 7.3 on slackware 12 and when i do X -configure i got a black screen with a "_" on teh prompt, it didn't freeze the system but it didn't generate a xorg.conf.new, and the screen was black... anyone else got this problem?

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