Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 18th Sep 2007 06:11 UTC
Qt Trolltech announced that Qtopia Phone Edition has been ported to the Neo1973 mobile phone from FIC and open-source software provider OpenMoko and has been GPL'ed. Now, in addition to Trolltech's Qtopia GreenphoneT, developers have an additional reference platform and form factor for development and testing of new mobile Qtopia applications. Read on for more and a short Q&A with Benoit Schillings, CTO of Trolltech (also of BeOS fame as one of the original Be, Inc. engineers).
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Limitations?
by pgquiles on Tue 18th Sep 2007 07:06 UTC
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The stock OpenMoko software which ships with the Neo1973 is very incomplete and pretty much useless, so you cannot use the Neo1973 as a day-to-day phone with that software according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview.

Now that we have Qtopia on the Neo1973, does that mean the Neo1973 is a useful phone and I can use it in the real world?

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RE: Limitations?
by capricorn_tm on Tue 18th Sep 2007 07:45 UTC in reply to "Limitations?"
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2005-12-31

I was about to ask the same question ;)

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RE: Limitations?
by harryF on Tue 18th Sep 2007 08:33 UTC in reply to "Limitations?"
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2005-07-06

Just tried calling and being called as well as sending/receiving SMS - it works!!! MMS currently only via HTTP (which is not that widely supported), unless you compile Qtopia with a 3rd party WAP stack. Didn't try browsing/VoIP yet, but they should work.

Playing asteroids with touch only is tough, though ;)

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I'd rather
by mmu_man on Tue 18th Sep 2007 09:04 UTC
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see Haiku ported to those, but I'm biased.
It's still great to see Free Software for those devices, as they usually don't ship with WinCE CDs, so it's harder get it refund as it's less evident it's a linked-sale...

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Wow. Big news.
by dsmogor on Tue 18th Sep 2007 09:11 UTC
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2005-09-01

If that's gonna be picked up by the community it's going to be big news for all of people considering neo purchase.
With all the respect to mobile gnome, qtopia is way more mature.
For trolltech it's also a very smart move (unless they planned to seriousely profit their reference which would be really silly).

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RE: Wow. Big news.
by pgquiles on Tue 18th Sep 2007 09:34 UTC in reply to "Wow. Big news."
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2006-07-16

Trolltech was selling the Greenphone at cost, they were not making a cent on it.

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Establishing Qt / Qtopia
by Gorgak on Tue 18th Sep 2007 11:23 UTC
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2007-05-30

Smart move by TT. They are trying to establish Qtopia as a standard on mobile phones and this is a move in that direction. They have the technology; now they need people to start using it.

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I'm excited
by JPisini on Tue 18th Sep 2007 12:16 UTC
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2006-01-24

This is good news.

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Is Qtopia a full distro?
by bogomipz on Tue 18th Sep 2007 12:28 UTC
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2005-07-11

Does running Qtopia on Neo1973 mean replacing OpenMoko, or can they live side by side?

Since both are open source, I realize that anybody could take the two and make them one. The question is rather if they, out of the box, run on a common embedded Linux distribution.

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We have choice now!
by rockmen1 on Tue 18th Sep 2007 12:39 UTC
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2006-02-04

One of the exciting things of open source is that we always have choices! With open sourced qtopia PE, I can choose what to run in my neo.

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Great, but...
by hibridmatthias on Tue 18th Sep 2007 13:25 UTC
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2007-04-11

I like the fact that things are moving for linux in the mobile arena, but they keep saying they are for developers only...


I wonder how far away the day is when the geeks like me who aren't developers per se (though I do know some rudimentary Ruby through self teaching...)will be able to play with it as well and get to have some fun...

Until then, I guess I will just enjoy the pictures of the cool looking little phones...

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RE: Great, but...
by anda_skoa on Tue 18th Sep 2007 13:55 UTC in reply to "Great, but..."
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2005-07-07

I wonder how far away the day is when the geeks like me who aren't developers per se


So far it looks like this day will be Chrismas: (see "Phase 2")
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973

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Nice Phone
by HeLfReZ on Tue 18th Sep 2007 15:00 UTC
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2005-08-12

This phone is actually shaping up nicely, with the Trolltech PE it could actually turn into a very usable device, fairly quickly. Only thing its missing in GPS. $450 is a bit steep for this type of device though, I hope they don't price themselves out of the market like the Palm Folio did. You need market penetration before you can charge a premium, and at $450 this is premium pricing.

Edited 2007-09-18 15:02

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RE: Nice Phone
by Luminair on Tue 18th Sep 2007 15:14 UTC in reply to "Nice Phone"
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2007-03-30

Every phone you buy from a cell carrier is subsidized by the carrier and/or the device maker. (the phones are just razor handles to them ;) ) So you won't get that discount if you buy a third party device.

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Nice PREMIUM Phone
by daddio on Tue 18th Sep 2007 15:43 UTC in reply to "Nice Phone"
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2007-07-14

I can't think of anything more premium at the moment than a completely open cellphone platform. Its a nice looking touchscreen phone too. I am willing to pay extra for a phone that is just UNLOCKED, so its not a leash for the often unscrupulous phone companies to control me. A phone that I could choose my own applications and content is a dream come true. The last link to mobile freedom would be the open spectrum Google was pushing for earlier this year. The freedom to REALLY choose a provider, or even BECOME a small time service provider. That would change the Rules of the game. Mobile companies would then begin to have to compete for customers, instead of simply luring them into contracts that are not in the customers interests.

Edited 2007-09-18 15:46

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RE: Nice Phone
by anda_skoa on Tue 18th Sep 2007 18:52 UTC in reply to "Nice Phone"
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2005-07-07

Only thing its missing in GPS


It does have GPS. From http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS
"he AGPS chip in the Neo1973 is called Hammerhead, and it is the same chip used in TomTom one devices..."

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Screenshots
by theuserbl on Tue 18th Sep 2007 15:40 UTC
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2006-01-10

I think on this side are some screenshots:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973

Do anybody know of other screenshots?

What I don't like on OpenMoko is, that all feels big and fat. (The icons and so on there)

It seems that the clock of Qtopia have slim hands. But the rest feels fat.

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memson Member since:
2006-01-01

> Here are other screenshots of Qtopia on other phones.

Those are mostly not phones, those are Qtopia running on the SL5500 PDA. The version of Qtopia on PDA is not the same as the version that morphed in to Greenphone.

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... and two videos of Qtopia on OpenMoko
by theuserbl on Tue 18th Sep 2007 16:01 UTC
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2006-01-10

Here the youtube videos, where Qtopia on OpenMoko is shown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5q8SpY7t4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOG_mtSEMgs

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Other phones
by miscz on Tue 18th Sep 2007 16:09 UTC
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2005-07-17

Is it possible to use Linux+Qtopia on regular phones like Nokia (given that it has ARM9 processor and enough RAM)?

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RE: Other phones
by harryF on Wed 19th Sep 2007 06:55 UTC in reply to "Other phones"
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2005-07-06

It sure is - once you re-engineer the flashing process and the proprietary protocols :/ Qtopia has a plugin architecture. When porting to a new board, usually no changes to Qtopia are required, just a new device profile.

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Hiev
by Hiev on Tue 18th Sep 2007 17:12 UTC
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2005-09-27

Damn good news.

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