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Foresight linux as always has come out of blocks with 1.4 final release featuring gnome 2.20! Check out the juicy screenshots in the release notes: http://foresightlinux.org/releases/1_4/

Edited 2007-09-19 22:32

This was my biggest gripe as well. Especially with firefox you change tabs and the taskbar buttons grow/shrink depending on the webpage title. >.< It made me switch to XFCE but I will give 2.20 a go on my machine.

I'm looking forward to Evince latest and Gnome 2.2 in Debian Sid.

With that and Okular I'll have 2 excellent PDF viewers and forms editors.

Of course, when Acrobat 8.1.1 has 64 bit builds I can then deal with Mechanical Engineering 3D Cad PDF files as well.

And February '08 for gentoo if it takes just as long this time as it did for Gnome 2.18. The stabilizing in gentoo of the last couple of Gnome releases has taken exponentially longer each time - who knows, perhaps Gnome 2.22 will be out before Gnome 2.20 goes stable. Gnome 2.18 went stable just last month (August, whole five months).

@dylansmrjones "And February '08 for gentoo if it takes just as long this time as it did for Gnome 2.18. The stabilizing in gentoo of the last couple of Gnome releases has taken exponentially longer each time - who knows, perhaps Gnome 2.22 will be out before Gnome 2.20 goes stable. Gnome 2.18 went stable just last month (August, whole five months)."

FYI gnome 2.20 is already available for Gentoo.
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-584813-highlight-gnome.html
It is your decision how stable you want to run *your* system, although If you do not know how to use portage effectively I suspect you should wait until Gnome 2.20 is stable.

*LOL*

I've been using gentoo for years, and if you check gentoo's bugzilla you'll see I am the de-facto gentoo maintainer of the pimlico project and a few other things.

When I say stable I mean stable as in x86 instead of ~x86 or [m]x86 or [m]~x86

It is not stable until it is in the stable branch in gentoo. I've tried using Gnome before it went stable in gentoo, and I'm not doing that again (Gnome 2.14 btw. - with GCC 4.1.1 from unstable branch as well.. not wise )

It is not stable and it is not in gentoo. It is not in gentoo until it is officially in portage. What you are hinting at are merely some internal developer ebuilds.

Gnome 2.20 is NOT available for gentoo yet, no more than WinFS is available for WinXP.

If you look at the gentoo forum you'll see that the developer ebuilds either don't compile or don't run - or when they run they are extremely buggy.

It is true I can use unofficial ebuilds and use them in my local overlay, but I do NOT put anything important in my local overlay. GCC, binutils, Gnome, GTK+ and other important parts of my system will always be rock-stable versions, and not some experimental builds.

EDIT: Available != Stable

Edited 2007-09-20 13:29 UTC

What's your point?

Your post is completely irrelevant. The availability of buggy experimental ebuilds has nothing to do with Gnome 2.20 being in the stable branch.

What is it about stable branch, you don't understand?

In gentoo-speak stable means it is in stable branch. What do unofficial ebuilds have to do with stable branch? They are completely irrelevant. They have no value.

Of course I can make my system as stable or unstable as I want to. And I want it stable. Therefore some unstable unofficial ebuilds are irrelevant. Of course I could download those ebuilds and put them in /usr/local/portage (and depending on the ebuilds add them to /etc/portage/package.keywords and perhaps also to /etc/portage/package.unmask) but why use buggy experimental ebuilds in a production system? That isn't wise.

I'd like to know why you consider unofficial unstable buggy experimental ebuilds important, when I from the very beginning made it completely clear I was referring to stable branch. What is the relevance of your posts?

Try Foxit Reader. Less bloat.

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader_2/down_reader.htm

Umm, foxit is Windows only. I believe Gnome is for Unix type systems.

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/desklinux/

It's not only for Windows.

While foxit is great on Windows, it crashes constantly for me on Linux (Ubuntu 7.04). I never bothered to look into why, but for me it didn't work at all.

The planned timing for merging into OpenSolaris is B75 - which should make things really neat on Solaris as a great improvement in the desktop area.

The fill-out forms which should pretty make Adobe's own Acrobat surplus to requirement - no longer will there need to be a demand for an official reader on Solaris x86 (which Adobe is refusing to provide).

Except tabs and rounded toolbars it's quite OK. Overall better than previous sky-blue Clearlooks. With few modifications and refinements it's quite elegant but some say I have a weird taste

This post might be helpful for those unhappy with the new clearlooks:

http://www.barisione.org/blog.html/p=105

I think I change the way every wm/de looks after a fresh install but that doesn't mean anything is wrong with the default look.

In case you haven't heard it a thousand times before - beauty is subjective.

What glaring example of 'ugliness' is there? Now if it had some of the icewm themes.....well....

Eh, I wish it would show the number of new emails overlaid on the icon, at least if its say, under 100 to make sure it fits over the icon well. It is a big improvement though.

Dooooomed. Why? Because, umm, some guy online said so?

Nice response. It always cracks me up when I read the doom and gloom articles written by some so-called industry insiders lamenting about desktop linux. I feel like I am missing something somewhere. For a desktop that is supposedly dead it sure works great! If this is doomed then please bring on more doomed versions of Gnome because I like it.

Completely agree with you.

I remember years ago, it was all 'Microsoft is doomed', 'Windows will only ever be good for business' and so forth and so on. Fast forward 20 years and here we are with Microsoft as the dominant operating system.

If one is talking about 'next year' then yes, *NIX (Linux, *BSD, Solaris) is doomed, but if one looks over a space of 20 years, time is on *NIX side. Its just a matter of time - that is why Microsoft is scrambling; not because of 'immediate' threats because they know its like boiling a frog, you slowly warm up the pot. The water will be hot before the frog even knows.

OpenOffice.org will be the Trojan horse which will make the difference. Using StarOffice 8 (with the latest update, Update 8, which was released in the last few days) and OpenOffice.org - I've yet to hear a compelling reason as to why it cannot replace Microsoft Office.

Back on topic, GNOME is moving forward, and I for one like the fact that its evolving rather than simply random throwing of features into the desktop and hope that it all sticks, Each release of GNOME I use I get the feeling that people have actually thought about things rather than it being a process of adding things for the sake of the marketing department as with the case of Windows.

Edited 2007-09-20 03:11

"doom and gloom articles written by some so-called industry insiders lamenting about desktop linux."

Well, as they saying goes; those who cant cut it in the field becomes IT journalists.

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Oh, you should have *my* boss. When he wants to send me an email about something, he digs up the last email that I sent him, on whatever topic, and replies to it without changing the subject line. So I have a message with a subject saying that "ACME, Inc's Server is completely down!!!" with a message body that says that Vasson Office Furniture wants to add a workstation.

I just keep my Thunderbird search setting at "Entire Message". The subject lines are useless.

Damn... you've tried to teach him about subject lines? Or it is futile?

Personally I prefer searching on all parts of an email, incl. subject and what not. Some people actually use subject lines (they do exist, at least sometimes).

Edited 2007-09-20 17:39 UTC

What's worse is that he is setting an example for the rest of the employees. And they are following his lead. If our email ever gets subpoenaed in a court case, we're home free. The opposing legal team would *never* get it sorted out. ;-)

Edited 2007-09-20 17:51

gnome has the look and feel of Windows 98 - a group of high school students could design a better UI.

Umm, have you actually used Win98? How does GNOME resemble it? And I just get the feeling that you just want some eye-candy and bling-bling and aren't actually referring to the UI design itself..The UI design between XP -> Vista didn't really change much, just some button placings. A new theme (Aero) on top of that, and you call that innovation then?

It would be nice if you actually cared to elaborate a little instead of trolling.

Son, I've used everything from a Vic20 onward. And GNOME and Windows 98 have the same clunky feel as though they're about to crash at any moment.

Where is a professional linux desktop that is built for business and that resembles a professional business desktop with sleek lines of those that come with Windows 2003 Server?

I am not a fan if MS and hate Vista.

Many people use Gnome exactly because its minimalistic appearance...me included. Ever heard the expression "less is more"? Besides, I disagree that it looks like Win98, but I agree that its not all transparent gradient candybar-striped, and I love it

Evolution is a part of Gnome. Much like some of the other applications such as Evince.