Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Sep 2007 21:51 UTC, submitted by JCooper
Gnome GNOME 2.20 has been released. "The improvements in GNOME 2.20 include: Improved support for right-to-left languages; desktop search integrated into the file chooser dialog; convenient new features in the Evolution email and calendar client; enhanced browsing of image collections; simplified system preferences; efficient power management and incredibly accurate laptop battery monitoring. Developers receive more help with application development thanks to a new version of the GTK+ toolkit, improved tools, and a great new documentation web site."
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Hey that looks really good
by eKstreme on Wed 19th Sep 2007 22:10 UTC
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Congrats to the Gnome devs on the release.

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GREAT
by cypress on Wed 19th Sep 2007 22:15 UTC
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Cool. Can't wait for Ubuntu to give me my precious .DEBs

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RE: GREAT
by siimo on Wed 19th Sep 2007 22:27 UTC in reply to "GREAT"
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2006-06-22

It is already in Gutsy Gibbon - Final release of Gibbon coming to a mirror near you on 18th of October.


Foresight linux as always has come out of blocks with 1.4 final release featuring gnome 2.20! Check out the juicy screenshots in the release notes: http://foresightlinux.org/releases/1_4/

Edited 2007-09-19 22:32

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Good
by J.R. on Wed 19th Sep 2007 22:15 UTC
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2007-07-25

It looks good. Finally they fixed that jumping window list buttons ;) have been waiting for that one for years. The single best feature in this release, and I am not saying that to trashtalk the other improvements...I am just so happy that they finally fixed it!

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RE: Good
by siimo on Wed 19th Sep 2007 22:42 UTC in reply to "Good"
siimo Member since:
2006-06-22

This was my biggest gripe as well. Especially with firefox you change tabs and the taskbar buttons grow/shrink depending on the webpage title. >.< It made me switch to XFCE but I will give 2.20 a go on my machine.

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RE: Good
by tyrione on Thu 20th Sep 2007 08:03 UTC in reply to "Good"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

I'm looking forward to Evince latest and Gnome 2.2 in Debian Sid.

With that and Okular I'll have 2 excellent PDF viewers and forms editors.

Of course, when Acrobat 8.1.1 has 64 bit builds I can then deal with Mechanical Engineering 3D Cad PDF files as well.

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Likewise in Fedora 8
by JoeBuck on Wed 19th Sep 2007 22:31 UTC
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Which is scheduled for release in early November.

I'm particularly happy to see that evince now supports fill-out PDF forms, which is the main reason I still need acroread.

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RE: Likewise in Fedora 8
by dylansmrjones on Wed 19th Sep 2007 23:11 UTC in reply to "Likewise in Fedora 8"
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2005-10-02

And February '08 for gentoo if it takes just as long this time as it did for Gnome 2.18. The stabilizing in gentoo of the last couple of Gnome releases has taken exponentially longer each time - who knows, perhaps Gnome 2.22 will be out before Gnome 2.20 goes stable. Gnome 2.18 went stable just last month (August, whole five months).

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RE[2]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by cyclops on Thu 20th Sep 2007 09:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Likewise in Fedora 8"
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2006-03-12

@dylansmrjones "And February '08 for gentoo if it takes just as long this time as it did for Gnome 2.18. The stabilizing in gentoo of the last couple of Gnome releases has taken exponentially longer each time - who knows, perhaps Gnome 2.22 will be out before Gnome 2.20 goes stable. Gnome 2.18 went stable just last month (August, whole five months)."

FYI gnome 2.20 is already available for Gentoo.
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-584813-highlight-gnome.html
It is your decision how stable you want to run *your* system, although If you do not know how to use portage effectively I suspect you should wait until Gnome 2.20 is stable.

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RE[3]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by dylansmrjones on Thu 20th Sep 2007 11:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Likewise in Fedora 8"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

*LOL*

I've been using gentoo for years, and if you check gentoo's bugzilla you'll see I am the de-facto gentoo maintainer of the pimlico project and a few other things.

When I say stable I mean stable as in x86 instead of ~x86 or [m]x86 or [m]~x86

It is not stable until it is in the stable branch in gentoo. I've tried using Gnome before it went stable in gentoo, and I'm not doing that again ;) (Gnome 2.14 btw. - with GCC 4.1.1 from unstable branch as well.. not wise ;) )

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v RE[4]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by cyclops on Thu 20th Sep 2007 11:22 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Likewise in Fedora 8"
RE[5]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by dylansmrjones on Thu 20th Sep 2007 13:21 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Likewise in Fedora 8"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

It is not stable and it is not in gentoo. It is not in gentoo until it is officially in portage. What you are hinting at are merely some internal developer ebuilds.

Gnome 2.20 is NOT available for gentoo yet, no more than WinFS is available for WinXP.

If you look at the gentoo forum you'll see that the developer ebuilds either don't compile or don't run - or when they run they are extremely buggy.

It is true I can use unofficial ebuilds and use them in my local overlay, but I do NOT put anything important in my local overlay. GCC, binutils, Gnome, GTK+ and other important parts of my system will always be rock-stable versions, and not some experimental builds.

EDIT: Available != Stable

Edited 2007-09-20 13:29 UTC

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v RE[6]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by cyclops on Thu 20th Sep 2007 13:31 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Likewise in Fedora 8"
RE[7]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by dylansmrjones on Thu 20th Sep 2007 13:39 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Likewise in Fedora 8"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

What's your point?

Your post is completely irrelevant. The availability of buggy experimental ebuilds has nothing to do with Gnome 2.20 being in the stable branch.

What is it about stable branch, you don't understand?

In gentoo-speak stable means it is in stable branch. What do unofficial ebuilds have to do with stable branch? They are completely irrelevant. They have no value.

Of course I can make my system as stable or unstable as I want to. And I want it stable. Therefore some unstable unofficial ebuilds are irrelevant. Of course I could download those ebuilds and put them in /usr/local/portage (and depending on the ebuilds add them to /etc/portage/package.keywords and perhaps also to /etc/portage/package.unmask) but why use buggy experimental ebuilds in a production system? That isn't wise.

I'd like to know why you consider unofficial unstable buggy experimental ebuilds important, when I from the very beginning made it completely clear I was referring to stable branch. What is the relevance of your posts?

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v RE[7]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by mtxblau on Thu 20th Sep 2007 13:46 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Likewise in Fedora 8"
RE: Likewise in Fedora 8
by knightrider on Thu 20th Sep 2007 02:55 UTC in reply to "Likewise in Fedora 8"
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RE[2]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by vondur on Thu 20th Sep 2007 05:09 UTC in reply to "RE: Likewise in Fedora 8"
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2005-07-07

Umm, foxit is Windows only. I believe Gnome is for Unix type systems.

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RE[3]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by Dr-ROX on Thu 20th Sep 2007 06:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Likewise in Fedora 8"
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2006-01-03

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/desklinux/

It's not only for Windows.

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RE[4]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by dagw on Thu 20th Sep 2007 11:00 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Likewise in Fedora 8"
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2005-07-06

While foxit is great on Windows, it crashes constantly for me on Linux (Ubuntu 7.04). I never bothered to look into why, but for me it didn't work at all.

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RE: Likewise in Fedora 8
by kaiwai on Thu 20th Sep 2007 02:57 UTC in reply to "Likewise in Fedora 8"
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2005-07-06

The planned timing for merging into OpenSolaris is B75 - which should make things really neat on Solaris as a great improvement in the desktop area.

The fill-out forms which should pretty make Adobe's own Acrobat surplus to requirement - no longer will there need to be a demand for an official reader on Solaris x86 (which Adobe is refusing to provide).

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In ubuntu Gutsy
by Johandc on Wed 19th Sep 2007 22:31 UTC
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Arrrr, we be very impressed... 2.20 is already in Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon!

It has been a pleasure enjoying the features of 2.20 for a while with 2.19.2, and the fact that the 2.20 packages is available just hours after the release is just awesome. Arrrrr!

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Congrats, but that new theme is ugly!
by pureza on Wed 19th Sep 2007 22:44 UTC
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2005-07-06

Am I the only one who finds the new clearlooks theme ugly?

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miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

Except tabs and rounded toolbars it's quite OK. Overall better than previous sky-blue Clearlooks. With few modifications and refinements it's quite elegant but some say I have a weird taste ;)

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pureza Member since:
2005-07-06

This post might be helpful for those unhappy with the new clearlooks:

http://www.barisione.org/blog.html/p=105

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meandean Member since:
2007-09-02

I think I change the way every wm/de looks after a fresh install but that doesn't mean anything is wrong with the default look.

In case you haven't heard it a thousand times before - beauty is subjective.

What glaring example of 'ugliness' is there? Now if it had some of the icewm themes.....well....

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Evolution
by mjorkerina on Wed 19th Sep 2007 22:51 UTC
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2007-09-18

I can't believe it took them so long to get mail notification right.

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RE: Evolution
by aent on Thu 20th Sep 2007 02:06 UTC in reply to "Evolution"
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2006-01-25

Eh, I wish it would show the number of new emails overlaid on the icon, at least if its say, under 100 to make sure it fits over the icon well. It is a big improvement though.

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v RE[2]: Evolution
by superstoned on Thu 20th Sep 2007 10:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Evolution"
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2006-04-17

Dooooomed. Why? Because, umm, some guy online said so?

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buff Member since:
2005-11-12

Dooooomed. Why? Because, umm, some guy online said so?

Nice response. It always cracks me up when I read the doom and gloom articles written by some so-called industry insiders lamenting about desktop linux. I feel like I am missing something somewhere. For a desktop that is supposedly dead it sure works great! If this is doomed then please bring on more doomed versions of Gnome because I like it.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Nice response. It always cracks me up when I read the doom and gloom articles written by some so-called industry insiders lamenting about desktop linux. I feel like I am missing something somewhere. For a desktop that is supposedly dead it sure works great! If this is doomed then please bring on more doomed versions of Gnome because I like it.


Completely agree with you.

I remember years ago, it was all 'Microsoft is doomed', 'Windows will only ever be good for business' and so forth and so on. Fast forward 20 years and here we are with Microsoft as the dominant operating system.

If one is talking about 'next year' then yes, *NIX (Linux, *BSD, Solaris) is doomed, but if one looks over a space of 20 years, time is on *NIX side. Its just a matter of time - that is why Microsoft is scrambling; not because of 'immediate' threats because they know its like boiling a frog, you slowly warm up the pot. The water will be hot before the frog even knows.

OpenOffice.org will be the Trojan horse which will make the difference. Using StarOffice 8 (with the latest update, Update 8, which was released in the last few days) and OpenOffice.org - I've yet to hear a compelling reason as to why it cannot replace Microsoft Office.

Back on topic, GNOME is moving forward, and I for one like the fact that its evolving rather than simply random throwing of features into the desktop and hope that it all sticks, Each release of GNOME I use I get the feeling that people have actually thought about things rather than it being a process of adding things for the sake of the marketing department as with the case of Windows.

Edited 2007-09-20 03:11

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"doom and gloom articles written by some so-called industry insiders lamenting about desktop linux."

Well, as they saying goes; those who cant cut it in the field becomes IT journalists.

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amazing
by SK8T on Thu 20th Sep 2007 04:34 UTC
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2006-06-01

wow that looks really stunning

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Wonderful !
by qbeek on Thu 20th Sep 2007 07:54 UTC
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2005-10-24

Congrats to the Gnome Team. First for this new release looking really great. Second for the new Documentation site. But from the site gnome.org, I didn't find the url of library.gnome.org ?

Reply Score: 1

kongrats
by REMF on Thu 20th Sep 2007 08:47 UTC
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2006-02-05

i'm sure its ace. ;)

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Oh no
by Ben Jao Ming on Thu 20th Sep 2007 09:19 UTC
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2005-07-26

Why didn't they fix the folder icon!? I like the Gnome icon theme, but it's just incomplete in critical areas, so I'll stick with Tango for now.

Love the new synchronization feature in Tomboy. That means I'll actually use it someday.

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hopefully...
by sequethin on Thu 20th Sep 2007 15:34 UTC
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2005-07-06

I really hope they fixed the network configuration tool. it's the only thing that really sucks on feisty imho (but I'm easy to please)

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Likewise in Fedora 8
by justinc on Thu 20th Sep 2007 16:30 UTC
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2006-07-24

I'm confused, after the first 1 or 2 replies about Fedora, all I keep reading is gentoo..... Did they merge and I have to stop using Fedora......

This is like when people send e-mails with no subject line, drives me nuts!

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RE: Likewise in Fedora 8
by sbergman27 on Thu 20th Sep 2007 17:25 UTC in reply to " Likewise in Fedora 8"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""

This is like when people send e-mails with no subject line, drives me nuts!

"""

Oh, you should have *my* boss. When he wants to send me an email about something, he digs up the last email that I sent him, on whatever topic, and replies to it without changing the subject line. So I have a message with a subject saying that "ACME, Inc's Server is completely down!!!" with a message body that says that Vasson Office Furniture wants to add a workstation.

I just keep my Thunderbird search setting at "Entire Message". The subject lines are useless.

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RE[2]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by dylansmrjones on Thu 20th Sep 2007 17:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Likewise in Fedora 8"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Damn... you've tried to teach him about subject lines? Or it is futile? ;)

Personally I prefer searching on all parts of an email, incl. subject and what not. Some people actually use subject lines (they do exist, at least sometimes).

Edited 2007-09-20 17:39 UTC

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RE[3]: Likewise in Fedora 8
by sbergman27 on Thu 20th Sep 2007 17:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Likewise in Fedora 8"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

What's worse is that he is setting an example for the rest of the employees. And they are following his lead. If our email ever gets subpoenaed in a court case, we're home free. The opposing legal team would *never* get it sorted out. ;-)

Edited 2007-09-20 17:51

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v The funny thing about the FSF...
by cyclops on Thu 20th Sep 2007 22:37 UTC
v Where's the innovation????
by spackie on Fri 21st Sep 2007 01:52 UTC
RE: Where's the innovation????
by WereCatf on Fri 21st Sep 2007 06:48 UTC in reply to "Where's the innovation????"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

gnome has the look and feel of Windows 98 - a group of high school students could design a better UI.

Umm, have you actually used Win98? How does GNOME resemble it? And I just get the feeling that you just want some eye-candy and bling-bling and aren't actually referring to the UI design itself..The UI design between XP -> Vista didn't really change much, just some button placings. A new theme (Aero) on top of that, and you call that innovation then?

It would be nice if you actually cared to elaborate a little instead of trolling.

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RE[2]: Where's the innovation????
by spackie on Sun 23rd Sep 2007 03:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Where's the innovation????"
spackie Member since:
2007-08-15

Son, I've used everything from a Vic20 onward. And GNOME and Windows 98 have the same clunky feel as though they're about to crash at any moment.

Where is a professional linux desktop that is built for business and that resembles a professional business desktop with sleek lines of those that come with Windows 2003 Server?

I am not a fan if MS and hate Vista.

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RE: Where's the innovation????
by J.R. on Fri 21st Sep 2007 08:32 UTC in reply to "Where's the innovation????"
J.R. Member since:
2007-07-25

Many people use Gnome exactly because its minimalistic appearance...me included. Ever heard the expression "less is more"? Besides, I disagree that it looks like Win98, but I agree that its not all transparent gradient candybar-striped, and I love it ;)

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Slow
by sanctus on Fri 21st Sep 2007 20:04 UTC
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2005-08-31

I update Feisty to Gutsy yesterday and I dont know if it is ubuntu or gnome, but it is much slower.

Why is evolution is update along with Gnome?

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RE: Slow
by leech on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 23:39 UTC in reply to "Slow"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Evolution is a part of Gnome. Much like some of the other applications such as Evince.

Reply Score: 2