Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 21st Sep 2007 10:11 UTC, submitted by wakeupneo
SCO, Caldera, Unixware In a statement published this week, SCO Group blames the success of Linux and 'negative publicity', as causes for its decline - the company may need to wind up its operations after its copyright case against Novell collapsed, prompting it to file for bankruptcy. My take: In Dutch, we have a saying: hij die kaatst, kan de bal verwachten.
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the delicious irony
by Downix on Fri 21st Sep 2007 10:30 UTC
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"We blame Linux" "But Darl, your company used to be one of the biggest Linux distributors..."

That is the key missing element in this whole rant of his, the even ention that SCO used to run one of the largest US distributors on the market. Hell, I RAN their Linux until the day they started this. They abandoned their installed user base, and now are whining because they went elsewhere? Oh cry me a river Darl.

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RE: the delicious irony
by SReilly on Fri 21st Sep 2007 17:01 UTC in reply to "the delicious irony"
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2006-12-28

They abandoned their installed user base, and now are whining because they went elsewhere? Oh cry me a river Darl.

Lol! Well said.

Stop releasing anything of value and guess what happens? You stop making money. I think Darl McBride needs to go back to school, maybe do some basic economics or something.

I'd say that SCO are now well enough done to stick a fork in 'em! ;-)

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RE: the delicious irony
by vimh on Fri 21st Sep 2007 18:51 UTC in reply to "the delicious irony"
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2006-02-04

Irony indeed. I just found our copy of Caldera OpenLinux 1.1 sitting in the back. I should see if I can get that up and running.

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RE[2]: the delicious irony
by Barnabyh on Fri 21st Sep 2007 19:42 UTC in reply to "RE: the delicious irony"
Barnabyh Member since:
2006-02-06

Caldera eDesktop 2.3 was quite nice and elegant back in the day...a long looong time ago.

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hij die kaatst, kan de bal verwachten
by Buck on Fri 21st Sep 2007 10:33 UTC
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2005-06-29

This dutch language always makes me feel vaguely uncomfortable...

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stripe4 Member since:
2007-09-21

Meh, it's all Dutch to me.

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Damn that Linux
by Michael on Fri 21st Sep 2007 10:34 UTC
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Yes, if it hadn't been so successful, it wouldn't have been worth their while sueing and they could have got on with running some sort of business instead. Maybe making OS's or something like that...

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My take
by NxStY on Fri 21st Sep 2007 10:44 UTC
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In Dutch, we have a saying: hij die kaatst, kan de bal verwachten.

In English, we have a saying: What?

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RE: My take
by netpython on Fri 21st Sep 2007 11:05 UTC in reply to "My take"
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2005-07-06

What goes around comes around!

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RE[2]: My take
by double_mint on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:43 UTC in reply to "RE: My take"
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2006-09-14

I love Bablfish's translation:

"he that throws back, can the ball expect"

:-)

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RE[3]: My take
by diskinetic on Fri 21st Sep 2007 17:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: My take"
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2005-12-09

Dibs on the bumper-sticker!

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RE: My take
by flanque on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 03:07 UTC in reply to "My take"
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2005-12-15

Touche.. that's French, right?

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tech10171968
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2007-05-22

Let's see: you abandoned your user base, then spread FUD and lies while attempting to levy a baseless lawsuit against your former customers and everyone else who uses an OS you used to distribute.

Maybe I missed something here, but who in the hell decided this was a great idea? This whole SCO drama just sounded to me like a CEO on a crack cocaine binge...

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gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

Nono, they are the Smoking Crack Organization, they definitely do not like cocain.

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bryanv Member since:
2005-08-26

Are you sure they're not the Snorting Cocaine Organization?

Either way, the twits that ran them into the ground must have been on something. Seriously, did they -really- think this crap would work? DUH.

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chemical_scum Member since:
2005-11-02

I am sure the SCO executives have made a lot of money on shorting SCO stock. Remember it was basically a pump and dump scam with extra funding from Microsoft and Sun to pay for the anti-Linux FUD.

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elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Maybe I missed something here, but who in the hell decided this was a great idea? This whole SCO drama just sounded to me like a CEO on a crack cocaine binge...


I suspected from the beginning that this was nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt to extort IBM into buying SCO for wad of cash, in order to make the "threat" go away. SCO was on pretty shaky ground at the time, and given the way businesses operate nowadays, where it's cheaper to settle lawsuits rather than defend them, it wouldn't have been surprising.

I think Darl and the boys were shocked when IBM pushed back, and smacked upside the head when Novell jumped into the fray. They were expecting an easy ride with a big payoff, but it all went oh-so-horribly wrong. Karma rocks.

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mind!dagger Member since:
2007-06-26

I absolutely agree. Spot on.

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Hopefully
by monkeyhead on Fri 21st Sep 2007 11:28 UTC
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2005-07-11

Hopefully the larger industry at whole will calm down with all the frivolous and irrational 'I.P.' claims.

I wonder if IBM settled their claim with Amazon.com over IBM's patents regarding 'online retail'. It's another perfect example of a company trying to get money for work they didn't do.

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Dutch
by pxa270 on Fri 21st Sep 2007 11:45 UTC
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And in Latin they say
Quia ventum seminabunt, et turbinem metent
so what's so f--king special about Dutch?

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RE: Dutch
by BluenoseJake on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:57 UTC in reply to "Dutch"
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2005-08-11

Thom is Dutch, that's why he said "In Dutch, we have a saying"

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RE[2]: Dutch
by thavith_osn on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Dutch"
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2005-07-11

Actually, he probably should have said

"In Holland we have a saying: hij die kaatst, kan de bal verwachten."
or
"In the Netherlands we have a saying: hij die kaatst, kan de bal verwachten."
unless he meant he was "In Dutch" with the wife or some such...

It was cool to see some non English in here however, gave me a chance to translate it...

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RE[3]: Dutch
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Dutch"
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2005-06-29

Actually, he probably should have said

Dutch is the language we speak (actually, it's Netherlandic, but I won't go there). Just as you can say, "In English, this would be...", you can just as well say, "In Dutch, this would be...".

Nothing wrong with that.

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RE[4]: Dutch
by Barnabyh on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:28 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Dutch"
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2006-02-06

Some people apparently still have to get used to the idea that English is not native to 95% of the world's population, although it's omnipresence on the internet might sugggest otherwise.

Anyway, I found it refreshing, and journalists are allowed to put a personal note in for those who care (others just ignore it).

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RE[4]: Dutch
by dylansmrjones on Fri 21st Sep 2007 18:53 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Dutch"
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2005-10-02

Hmm... one thing I've always wondered about. What's the whole thing with Holland/Nederland, Dutch/Nederlands (Netherlandic) ? Do you use both terms interchangeably in Dutch? And how does Oranje fit in?

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RE[5]: Dutch
by MamiyaOtaru on Fri 21st Sep 2007 19:18 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Dutch"
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2005-11-11

From my limited understanding, Holland = place ( a part of the country of the Netherlands, often applied to the whole), Dutch = language/adjective (like Deutsch?). And Netherlands of course means "low countries." To distinguish from the other low countries (like Belgium) the term "dutch netherlands" was once used, again IIRC. And I don't know where Orange came from. So maybe best to let Tom answer this one.

Edited 2007-09-21 19:19

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RE[6]: Dutch
by Barnabyh on Fri 21st Sep 2007 19:54 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Dutch"
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You're right about Holland being a province of The Netherlands, as passionate dutchmen friends have often explained to me. Of course outside The Netherlands Holland has become pretty much synonymous with the whole.

Not quite sure about Oranje, but I think it's got something to do with when the Spanish were there, ruling Holland by marriage? I think the Oranje's were part of the aristocracy (Willem of Oranje and such names).

Dutch is the language in The Netherlands, but Deutsch is German for - German, so nothing to do with Dutch, apart from that they are all related germanic languages, as English and for example Swedish are too. You can actually see the development/evolution of the language moving from Germany to England. If you speak these two Dutch or Flemish appears like something in between and is easy to pick up.

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RE[5]: Dutch
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 21st Sep 2007 20:06 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Dutch"
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2005-06-29

Hmm... one thing I've always wondered about. What's the whole thing with Holland/Nederland, Dutch/Nederlands (Netherlandic) ? Do you use both terms interchangeably in Dutch? And how does Oranje fit in?


Holland is a subsection of The Netherlands. In the golden age (1600-1700) when we ruled the world, Holland was the main driving force. These days, you have North-Holland (Amsterdam) and South-Holland (Rotterdam), 2 of our 12 provinces.

Our language is called "Nederlands" (Netherlandic in English, or, in German, Niederländisch). "Dutch" refers to "Diets", the common ancestor to both Netherlandic and German (we call Germany "Duitsland", where "Duits" stems from "Diets").

Oranje is a whole different story. Oranje means "Orange" in English, and it's our national colour. Its origins are a bit complicated, but I'll try. In 1568, the Eighty Years War started, our struggle for independence from the Spanish Empire. The Dutch revolt was lead by a German from Nassau, William of Orange. He was called William of Orange because he was the prince of the Principality of Orange, an area in southern France. That's why my Royal Family is called the House of Orange-Nassau - even though none of those areas are Dutch territory.

As a sidenote, now you also understand our very weird national anthem: William of Nassau / I am of German blood / true to the fatherland / I will remain until death / as a Prince of Orange / I know no fear / I have always honoured / the king of Spain. In those days, you never disrespected a king, because back then, they were king by the grace of God. If you disrespected a king, you disrespected God.

Anyway, William of Orange led the revolt, but got murdered July 10th, 1584. Later on, his descendants became the Stadthouders (literally: 'citykeepers', in French/English: lieu [place] tenant [keeper], that's where the military rank stems from) of Holland - Holland, as said, was then part of the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands (now The Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg). In 1815, after the Napoleonic Wars, we became the Kingdom of The Netherlands, with the descendants of William of Orange leading the monarchy.

Grossly off-topic, but hey. You learnt something there, didn't you ;) .

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RE[6]: Dutch
by dylansmrjones on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 00:48 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Dutch"
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Grossly off-topic, but hey. You learnt something there, didn't you ;) .


Very off-topic yes, but yeah - I learned something. Got a few things confirmed (ou in Dutch tend to equal ol in Danish and English) and got quite a bit I didn't know (especially about the national anthem and the whole Oranje "thing" and William being German (surprise!) ) - and of course material to ask you 56057193572938467346 clarifying questions ;) - but this isn't the place. Gotta visit the public library.

PS. Didn't know the lieutenant meant place-/citykeeper either.

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RE[6]: Dutch
by MeatAndTaters on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 16:48 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Dutch"
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So are you Chinese, or Japanese?

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RE[7]: Dutch
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 17:06 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Dutch"
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So are you Chinese, or Japanese?


100% Dutch. Can't help it either.

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RE: Dutch
by Anonymous Penguin on Fri 21st Sep 2007 21:36 UTC in reply to "Dutch"
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2005-07-06

so what's so f--king special about Dutch?


How about: there are more people who talk Dutch (as their mother tongue, not know it from school) than Latin?

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RE: Dutch
by pepa on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 04:51 UTC in reply to "Dutch"
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2005-07-08

Cool! What was that in Hebrew again!?

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More Dutch
by danieldk on Fri 21st Sep 2007 11:50 UTC
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Ofwel boontje komt voor zijn loontje, en wie een kuil graaft voor een ander valt er zelf in.

;)

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v RE: More Dutch
by Joe User on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:18 UTC in reply to "More Dutch"
RE[2]: More Dutch
by danieldk on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:45 UTC in reply to "RE: More Dutch"
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Got the picture?

Mind you, some people are interested in other languages than English. And it is nice to have seen at least a few translations of Tom's comment.

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v RE[3]: More Dutch
by Joe User on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: More Dutch"
RE[4]: More Dutch
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:42 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: More Dutch"
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2005-06-29

This is exactly my point. Why not translating the Dutch saying? Everybody doesn't speak Dutch.


Lighten up. I'm just joking around. And anybody with a bit of common sense can more or less figure out what the saying should mean. Or at least have an idea.

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RE[4]: More Dutch
by StephenBeDoper on Fri 21st Sep 2007 18:41 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: More Dutch"
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Everybody doesn't speak Dutch.


So no one speaks Dutch?

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or as we say in Mississippi...
by diskinetic on Fri 21st Sep 2007 17:12 UTC in reply to "More Dutch"
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If you didn't want the diaper, you shouldn't have dropped the galluses.

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v What is going to happen to SCO?
by cyclops on Fri 21st Sep 2007 11:53 UTC
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"""
The only thing I see is Tarantella being acquired by Sun two years ago.
"""

Well, Tarantella was never an asset of what we call SCO, today. Really, The SCO Group. The old SCO sold their operating systems division, really OpenServer + whatever rights they had to UnixWare, to Caldera. Old SCO went on to concentrate their efforts upon Tarantella. And then Caldera changed their name to The SCO Group, and, well...

Basically, the SCO group has two badly neglected proprietary Unix platforms. A sharply declining user base and revenue stream. No money with which to resuscitate their dying products. A sharply decreased talent base due to the layoffs. A burned bridge to the only thing which could have saved them: Linux. Mounting legal costs. And a big, pending bill from Novell which the bankruptcy court is not likely to ignore.

Oh, and a light-weight market cap, and a stock price that comes in at about half the cost a roll of the really cheap, generic brand toilet paper.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=2y&l=off&z=m&q=l&c=

As of this date, SCO stock certificates *are* still worth more, per sqare inch, than the toilet paper. That situation being subject to change. Stay tuned.

Edited 2007-09-22 08:46

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Remeber to translate!
by DevL on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:10 UTC
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Seriously, the one reason Dutch people are excellent English speakers is the fact that not a single rock on this planet can make heads or tails of the Dutch language.

So when quoting in another language, remember to translate as it "skulle var jvligt korkat att skriva ngot som ingen annan kan frst" as we say in Swedish...

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RE: Remeber to translate!
by jensa on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:44 UTC in reply to "Remeber to translate!"
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hehehe ---- bra pong!

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RE: Remeber to translate!
by Larz on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:48 UTC in reply to "Remeber to translate!"
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"Tag s den kartoffel ud af din mund" ;-)

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RE[2]: Remeber to translate!
by DevL on Fri 21st Sep 2007 16:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Remeber to translate!"
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2005-07-06

Hey, that's what we tell *you guys* all the time! ;-)

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RE: hij die kaatst, kan de bal verwachten
by protomank on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:27 UTC
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2006-08-03

In brazilian portuguese we use to say "J vai tarde malandro".

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Hmmm
by flywheel on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:30 UTC
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Darl, I too have a saying - and you're full of it.

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In just plain english
by sonic2000gr on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:33 UTC
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let me say to SCO,

"Good night, and good luck"

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RE: In just plain english
by bryanv on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:39 UTC in reply to "In just plain english"
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Why not "Good night, and ***k off."

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babelfish says
by vege on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:37 UTC
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"he that throws back, can the ball expect". Now I get why they call that fish the "Babel" ;)

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In Danish we say...
by BurningShadow on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:42 UTC
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Hold nu bare kft, hvis i ikke har noget ordentligt at bidrage med...

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Isn't it their own fault?
by BurningShadow on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:49 UTC
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Did I miss something, or didn't they sue everybody and that way created the bad publicity, all by themself?


Hvaml #36:
A small hut of one's own is better,
A man is his master at home:
A couple of goats and a corded roof
Still are better than begging.

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RE: Isn't it their own fault?
by StephenBeDoper on Fri 21st Sep 2007 19:04 UTC in reply to "Isn't it their own fault?"
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2005-07-06

Hrmmm... Agressive actions, followed by an "oh, woe is me" victim act in response to the inevitable backlash... And hey, it looks like McBride is a graduate of Brigham Young University. A Mormon with grandiose delusions of persecution - who would have expected that?

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A clue for SCO
by lemur2 on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:52 UTC
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SCO:

"We believe the inclusion of Unix code and derivative works in Linux has been a contributor to the decline in our Unix business because users of Linux generally do not pay for the operating system itself, but pay for services and maintenance."


Clue for SCO: There is no Unix code in Linux.

Pretty simple, really. That is wholly and absolutely where SCO went wrong.

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RE: A clue for SCO
by kaiwai on Fri 21st Sep 2007 17:18 UTC in reply to "A clue for SCO"
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2005-07-06


Pretty simple, really. That is wholly and absolutely where SCO went wrong.


I guess you missed the other parts of it; when SCO claimed it owned C and C++, that various operating systems infringed on SCO patents. Basically it was a wild grasp at straws as a company run by lawyers run it into the ground. I find it funny that there are investment companies who appoint idiots to run businesses - and these peoples only claim to fame is the fact they have a suit and a degree.

Hell, I could point to atleast a dozen businesses run into the ground by people with 'degrees' and over 2 dozen companies run by people whom just have 'street smarts'. Warren Buffet is a prime example of good commonsense bringing about good returns rather than doing things 'by the book' or 'the conventional way'.

Edited 2007-09-21 17:26

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SCO listen to this SONG
by Accident on Fri 21st Sep 2007 12:55 UTC
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Billy Joel " WE DIDN'T START THIS FIRE"

But we DAMN sure put it out! Now bend over and take it in your USB port, one DISTRO @ a time!

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RE: SCO listen to this SONG
by Barnabyh on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:16 UTC in reply to "SCO listen to this SONG"
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"Now bend over and take it in your USB port"

One up for humour!

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I've got a saying too
by Devilotx on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:11 UTC
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Bah Weep Grah Nah Weep Ninni Bong!

And SCO gets what they deserve,

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RE: I've got a saying too
by beowuff on Fri 21st Sep 2007 15:30 UTC in reply to "I've got a saying too"
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2006-07-26

Ehm....

"Nee!"

:-P

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RE[2]: I've got a saying too
by glarepate on Fri 21st Sep 2007 22:20 UTC in reply to "RE: I've got a saying too"
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2006-01-04

"Nee!"

Knight on, bro!

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RE: I've got a saying too
by leech on Fri 21st Sep 2007 17:49 UTC in reply to "I've got a saying too"
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2006-01-10

Nice Transformers reference there!

Unfortunately, I think most people thought you were referring to Monty Python. Though it was Wreck-Gar who said it, who was voiced by Eric Idle, so we can see where the confusion could be.

My saying usually is "You can't polish a turd" but that generally applies to Microsoft, and not SCO. In their defense though, Utah does have one of the highest amounts of meth labs in the country.

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RE[2]: I've got a saying too
by Devilotx on Fri 21st Sep 2007 20:55 UTC in reply to "RE: I've got a saying too"
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2005-07-06

I figured someone would get it!

But I've used the polish a turd reference a few times too, but honestly, SCO is a dinosaur, I've seen and used Sco Unix, it's nothing special, I've replaced 15 Sco servers with Cheeseboxes running CentOS in the last couple years.

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sayings
by justin.68 on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:13 UTC
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the saying in latin meant that those who will sow wind will be harvesting a storm.

the comment in swedish was: it would be damn stupid to write something if nobody else could understand it (is that right?)

with a smattering of german one can understand written dutch. however idioms are so idiomatic... you just can't expect to render them.

i guess it was: if you throw the ball you should expect it (thrown back at yourself) (kaatsen = Engl. cast; verwachten = Ger. erwarten)

There's a saying in Italy as well: Chi causa del suo mal, pianga se stesso. It roughly translates to if you're the cause of your own misfortune just cry over yourself. It makes a great epitaph. For SCO.

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and in Russia
by IceCubed on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:31 UTC
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and in Russia we say:
Не капай другому яму, сам в неё попадёшь

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RE: and in Russia
by jack_perry on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:29 UTC in reply to "and in Russia"
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2005-07-06

erk, all I see are numbers. Use a character encoding the rest of us can read! or something. Читать не можем!

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RE[2]: and in Russia
by IceCubed on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:35 UTC in reply to "RE: and in Russia"
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2005-07-01

like UTF-8?

Use a character encoding the rest of us can read! or something.


Tell that to Osnews, not me.

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and in Hungarian
by bocs on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:34 UTC
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"aki knnyvr nnek megy, ne csodlkozzon, ha lefektetik"
if you turn to be prostitute, do not be surprised if you get laid

Edited 2007-09-21 13:36

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SCO playbook
by MacMike on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:34 UTC
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SCO == "The knights who say, Ni!"

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RE: SCO playbook
by TemporalBeing on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:18 UTC in reply to "SCO playbook"
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2007-08-22

No, the "Knights who say 'Ni!'" are too good for SCO...

They're more like the devilish "Yosemite Sam" when he signs the pact with the Devil to kill Bugs Bunny...

And if you remember, Yosemite Sam always ended up in Hell for it too...

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RE: SCO playbook
by dylansmrjones on Fri 21st Sep 2007 15:35 UTC in reply to "SCO playbook"
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I think that statement qualifies as blasphemy...

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RE: SCO playbook
by umccullough on Fri 21st Sep 2007 17:46 UTC in reply to "SCO playbook"
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SCO == "The knights who say, Ni!"

I sure hope they aren't - those guys are kicking ass:

http://dc-vault.com/showscores.php

But Team Haiku is catching up ;)

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SCO should sue again
by dmc_dtc on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:35 UTC
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2005-07-07

I think SCO should now sue all linux users because of bad publicity, that should get them back on the track !!! ;)

Edited 2007-09-21 13:37

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We have a saying
by gavin.mccord on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:55 UTC
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in Scotland - "Get it up you!"

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Finnish
by tony on Fri 21st Sep 2007 13:58 UTC
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Voi Pillu

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RE: Finnish
by Hurtta on Mon 24th Sep 2007 05:21 UTC in reply to "Finnish"
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Typical Finn, you just could not make anything really creative. Instead you choose to pull a short, vulgar phrase to amuse other Finns. Even the Swedes could make a point.

Siisti siis suusi, Toni. Jookos?

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Excellent news!
by SReilly on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:00 UTC
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2006-12-28

I love the way SCO are unable to take the blame, it's like a kid screaming 'It ain't fair!'.

I read in a recent article that half of they're accountants have left SCO; some because of reorganization but most because they quit. Some of these accountants have been with the company for over ten years! Guess they knew which way the wind was blowing.

We have a another good English saying: You reap what you sow.

And in Ireland: Me hole it's not your fault!

Edit: Added ancient Irish saying ;-)

Edited 2007-09-21 14:02 UTC

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glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Yes, this happened at about the same time that they gave their chief legal counsel (Ryan Tibbits) a raise from $160k/annum to $210k and a bonus (after taxes) of another $50k.

The day before filing for bankruptcy.

So there appear to have been 3 honest folks left there at least.

I speculate that the bonus was to make up for the fact that the approximately $42k worth of stock they gave him in 2004 is now worthless. After all as an insider who was nominally aware of the law he couldn't sell it.

The bankruptcy judge may not look too kindly on that...

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SCO Unix
by TaterSalad on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:06 UTC
TaterSalad
Member since:
2005-07-06

I remember SCO making a variant of Unix, not linux, but the name escapes me. What is going to happen to that OS?

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RE: SCO Unix
by raver31 on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:38 UTC in reply to "SCO Unix"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

It had both Unix and Linux... SCO Unix and Caldera Linux, which became SCO Openunix and SCO Openlinux.

Now, WE in Northern Ireland have a saying which is apt for SCO .


It goes like this: "Ah well...F%*k Them !"

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other players?
by bnolsen on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:08 UTC
bnolsen
Member since:
2006-01-06

So is there any way to pin any of this on Microsoft or Sun in any way? Or they walk out pretty squeaky clean after bankrolling SCO to make them live longer?

Basically whoever was holding stock or had invested in SCO saw their money thrown away on obviously frivilous, absolutely non ethical, (criminal) lawsuits.

So were they put up to this? Any smoking gun anywhere or just rumours and a few scattered emails?

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Someone is bitter...
by Ikshaar on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:19 UTC
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2005-07-14

Obviously he won't stop:

"We believe the inclusion of Unix code and derivative works in Linux has been a contributor to the decline in our Unix business because users of Linux generally do not pay for the operating system itself, but pay for services and maintenance."

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Questions..
by ssa2204 on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:24 UTC
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2006-04-22

My understanding of the recent ruling is that this had no issue on whether Unix code is used in Linux, but rather ownership of the Unix copyright (belonging to Novell). If this is the case, and Linux does contain Unix code, could it not be that if Novell falls on hard times they turn around and claim ownership?

SCO really reminds me of Rambus, who never really did anything other than demand royalties from other manufacturers for DDR memory technology they had no right to claim in the first place.

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RE: Questions..
by smitty on Fri 21st Sep 2007 15:18 UTC in reply to "Questions.."
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

My understanding of the recent ruling is that this had no issue on whether Unix code is used in Linux, but rather ownership of the Unix copyright (belonging to Novell). If this is the case, and Linux does contain Unix code, could it not be that if Novell falls on hard times they turn around and claim ownership?

Technically yes, although i think it's pretty obvious that there isn't any since SCO had years to show something (anything) in the IBM trial and never did. On top of that, most high profile projects have taken measures to make sure it doesn't happen in the future and that all the code can be traced back to whoever wrote it.

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RE: Questions..
by elsewhere on Fri 21st Sep 2007 15:50 UTC in reply to "Questions.."
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

My understanding of the recent ruling is that this had no issue on whether Unix code is used in Linux, but rather ownership of the Unix copyright (belonging to Novell). If this is the case, and Linux does contain Unix code, could it not be that if Novell falls on hard times they turn around and claim ownership?


Novell doesn't need to claim ownership, they hold the copyright, so it's pretty much established. But by virtue of distributing linux, they've more or less waived the right to sue for infringement, thanks to the GPL (or any number of FLOSS licenses present in your average distro).

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RE: Questions..
by lemur2 on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 06:06 UTC in reply to "Questions.."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

My understanding of the recent ruling is that this had no issue on whether Unix code is used in Linux, but rather ownership of the Unix copyright (belonging to Novell). If this is the case, and Linux does contain Unix code, could it not be that if Novell falls on hard times they turn around and claim ownership?


You are correct about the recent result, but way, way off beam when it comes to Novell.

(1) Novell distributes a Linux product themselves. "Attacking" Linux itself is not a good way to go for them from a PR perspective, and Novell has already licensed anyone and everyone to use Linux via their act of distributing SuSe under the GPL.

(2) At the start of this, Novell told SCO "We hold the Unix copyrights, and we say to you you must drop this case against IBM. There is no Unix code in Linux". That is the very moment that SCO sued Novell.

(3) As I said, Novell has waived SCO's claims already.

(4) Unix has been to court before over copyrights, against BSD. The case was settled out of court, but essentially the result was that there is virtually no copyrightable code in Unix.

(5) It turns out that SCO's accusations weren't that there was Unix code in Linux. The accusations were that IBM put its own code (SMP, RCU, JFS etc) into Linux. Some of this code is also in AIX, which is IBM's variant of Unix .. but the essential point is that this code is IBM's code (to do with as IBM pleases), not Unix code.

(6) Most importantly, however ... is the plain and simple fact that there is no Unix code in Linux. In the end it doesn't matter who owns Unix, because there is no Unix code in Linux to sue over.

(7) Finally, if you look here:
http://www.patent-commons.org/
and here:
http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/about_members.php
http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/about_licensees.php
can you see the Novell logo?

Edited 2007-09-22 06:15

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5 years of FUD
by jakubsafar.cz on Fri 21st Sep 2007 14:46 UTC
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Member since:
2007-09-21

I attended to the SCO press conference back in 2003. I have not seen a single proof or evidence since.

Lets say we work for 35 years before retirement. I make living working with Linux and SCO spent 4 years attacking source of my income _without_ showing a reason of its attacks. I presume SCO will be around for at least a year because of bankruptcy filling, still poisoning and spreading FUD, making it 5 out of 35 of my productive years. Damn.

Management of SCO will benefit from ordering PLMAG for the years to come, I presume. http://www.plmag.org/

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French saying (in Quebec at least)
by archiesteel on Fri 21st Sep 2007 15:21 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-02

"Si tu craches en l'air, a va te retomber sur le nez."

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elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

English saying (in the rest of Canada): "Don't eat yellow snow." ;)

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stating the obvious
by happycamper on Fri 21st Sep 2007 15:25 UTC
happycamper
Member since:
2006-01-01

This does not look good for SCO. i suggest to whoever is running SCO products needs to upgrade to something else.

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acobar
Member since:
2005-11-15

to me it was more a fast trying to make money despite of all risks. It is like "play with someone else money" and/or as a proxy. If you lose, well, was not your money anyway, and you still have a change to collect something.

I hope Darl and whoever collaborated with him on this "vendetta" get their own accounts used to minor the loss and GET IN JAIL as an example to whoever wants to follow the same path.

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britbrian
Member since:
2005-07-06

with crap spewed in every direction to misdirect the media. The pump & dump rewarded the execs by many $100Ks as they drove SCOX from $2 to near $20. Darl cashed out when it reached $12 (see EDGAR). Their stock options plan was designed to reap from the stock price which they then controlled at will with any media lies they liked.

Mike Anderer and Darl had a IP litigation history from their previous ventures.
When Darl replaced Love at Caldera, he brought in Mike to look for gold in the 95 APA. He told Darl their was no copyright transfer but who would ever know. There was too much APA info for the media to digest so they got to cherry pick or mis represent it very easily. One of the biggest lies that persisted was that old SCO paid over $100M when they really they issued $50 in stock to Novell. When old SCO sold this business to Caldera, the price about $15M IIRC.

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The Future........Darl?
by hitest on Fri 21st Sep 2007 15:49 UTC
hitest
Member since:
2006-10-28

Darl,

I'm sure some idiot venture capitalist will find another company for you to screw up...........heh-heh, but then again perhaps not.

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In another language, we have a saying.
by snozzberry on Fri 21st Sep 2007 15:58 UTC
snozzberry
Member since:
2005-11-14

bortaS bIr jablu'DI' reH QaQqu' nay'

Seriously, we should be grateful to Darl for making himself flypaper for idiots like Rob Enderle.

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..
by memson on Fri 21st Sep 2007 16:16 UTC
memson
Member since:
2006-01-01

Here today, SCO-n tomorrow!

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As they say in Texas.
by mind!dagger on Fri 21st Sep 2007 16:22 UTC
mind!dagger
Member since:
2007-06-26

"Ah'm gonna warsh mai dawg an rench 'im auf!"

I'm from New Mexico where the official language is actually Spanish and the language of business is English.

We generally hire translators to understand mono-lingual Texan speakers.

In any case, E'Dios SCO.

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The whole thing disgusts me
by -m-o on Fri 21st Sep 2007 17:50 UTC
-m-o
Member since:
2007-09-21

I posted a couple of items on my blog concerning this whole SCO mess. Frankly, I lay the blame at Darl boy's feet. Linux killed SCO? Yeah, I don't think so. If Linux was such a big nasty threat to a company such as SCO, which from what I recall had a fairly good sized customer base, then why has MS been able to pick up so much steam in the server room? And, why hasn't Linux killed Sun?

My comments are here:
http://itjobsrus.blogspot.com/2007/09/sco-darl-screwed-you.html

&

http://itjobsrus.blogspot.com/2007/09/sco-my-condolences.html

- o

http://itjobrus.blogspot.com

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RE: And, why hasn't Linux killed Sun?
by glarepate on Fri 21st Sep 2007 22:54 UTC in reply to "The whole thing disgusts me"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Caldera never did the development on SCO Unix or Unixware that it needed to stay alive. Sun is working very hard at developing Solaris into something people want.

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NICE!
by MrMotane on Fri 21st Sep 2007 18:11 UTC
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Member since:
2005-12-31

LOL It's couldn't have happened to a better company. So long SCO, stick it in your A$%

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Bad thing
by DigitalAxis on Fri 21st Sep 2007 19:44 UTC
DigitalAxis
Member since:
2005-08-28

Isn't this actually a bad thing? Linux was never proven in a court of law to not contain any UNIX code- granted, it's pretty obvious that SCO didn't have a case and was just stalling with all their legal might, but the end of this lawsuit accomplishes nothing.

SCO and whoever else wants to can still get away with claim Linux contains infringing code, because it was never demonstrated in a court of law that it doesn't. Granted, all the evidence points to Linux being completely free of it, but we've been saying that for years.

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glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

The bankruptcy judge has told Novell to move to unstay the case in Utah.

The bankruptcy trustee may eventually enter admissions to the IBM counterclaims to settle that suit with the least amount of expense to the creditors.

All hope is not lost even though the weasels seem to be trying to tunnel out and escape.

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RE: Bad thing
by lemur2 on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 06:22 UTC in reply to "Bad thing"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Granted, all the evidence points to Linux being completely free of it, but we've been saying that for years.


SCO have been given complete access to AIX development history, and have been desperately searching for over four years to come up with some evidence ... anything at all ... to show Unix code in Linux. SCO utterly failed to find any.

Other parties have done independent audits and obtained the exact same result. There is no Unix code in Linux.

Finally, during the discovery, and internal SCO email was unearthed where SCO had done their own audit of their own Linux before the trial began. SCO's own technicians and programmers found ... no Unix code in Linux.

Have you got that yet?

There is no Unix code in Linux.

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www.rapesco.com
by maceto on Fri 21st Sep 2007 20:13 UTC
maceto
Member since:
2005-07-06

IBM get your office supply here.

New business for SCO- Copyright of name?

Edited 2007-09-21 20:14

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terminated
by ghostX on Fri 21st Sep 2007 20:46 UTC
ghostX
Member since:
2007-09-13

Hasta la vista Sco.

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more saying
by poundsmack on Fri 21st Sep 2007 20:49 UTC
poundsmack
Member since:
2005-07-13

c'est la vi

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In the 23rd Century...
by sbergman27 on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 03:34 UTC
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

In the 23rd century we have a saying:

"They're dead, Jim; Let's go have a mint julep." ;-)

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german
by schattenmann on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 06:06 UTC
schattenmann
Member since:
2006-02-09

In german, we say:

Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!...
Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!

:)

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RE: german
by ningo on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 08:03 UTC in reply to "german"
ningo Member since:
2006-02-22

Actually we say
Wer anderen eine Grube graebt, faellt selbst hinein.

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RE[2]: german
by schattenmann on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 09:38 UTC in reply to "RE: german"
schattenmann Member since:
2006-02-09

Wenn du nicht willst, was man dir tut, das fueg auch keinem Anderen zu.

Wie man in den Wald hinein ruft, so ruft es hinaus.

ZzzzZzz ;)

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In sweden...
by NxStY on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 08:03 UTC
NxStY
Member since:
2005-11-12

We have a saying: Rtt t de giriga fanskapen!

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Oh really?
by jmcp on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 13:23 UTC
jmcp
Member since:
2006-08-06

Please, tell me when I should stop laughing. The article's quotes from Darl have got to be the best piece of standup comedy this side of (insert name of *really good* comedian here).

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Unix
by Xaero_Vincent on Sat 22nd Sep 2007 16:51 UTC
Xaero_Vincent
Member since:
2006-08-18

I think if there were ever any Unix code in Linux (doubtful), its long gone/replaced by now.

SCO is just using their lawsuit in hopes of scoring a big win and saving their company. But the fact of the matter is...their stock is at 16 cents per share and they are to be delisted from NASDAC in just a few days.

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If there's one thing I cannot stand...
by twenex on Sun 23rd Sep 2007 22:19 UTC
twenex
Member since:
2006-04-21

...it's a bad loser.

Good riddance to bad rubbish, say I.

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