Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 25th Sep 2007 18:36 UTC
Amiga & AROS Tedd Gallion, speaking on behalf of a group called the DiscreetFX partners, has sent out a letter to the Amiga community with quite an interesting topic: to buy out the AmigaOS4 and the Amiga brand from Amiga, Inc. The letter states that DiscreetFX and its partners have contacted Amiga, Inc., but that the company asked a completely insane amount of money. DiscreetFX and its partners now ask the community to contact Amiga, Inc., and urge them to sell the Amiga OS and its brand to DiscreetFX for a fair price. "Urge Amiga Inc. sell to us for a fair price. We will end the lawsuit, we will end the fighting., we will end the madness. If we were in charge Amiga OS 4.0 would be available today on SAM." Spelling and grammar weren't exactly a priority in the letter, so credibility is a bit dubious. The credibility has been more or less confirmed.
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Amiga, yet again?
by Almafeta on Tue 25th Sep 2007 18:49 UTC
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2007-02-22

Just a few months ago, it seemed Amiga was about to rise like a phoenix (software and hardware "about to be" released)... and now, the next person in line is trying to buy out Amiga, attach their own jumper cables to the whole thing, and try yet again.

As long as startups are trying to ressurect dead operating systems, I wonder how much GEOS is going for these days...

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RE: Amiga, yet again?
by aliquis on Wed 26th Sep 2007 05:37 UTC in reply to "Amiga, yet again?"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

But I think DiscreetFX does render or video software for Amiga so they are a decent buyer atleast, I seriously doubt they would screw anyone, they are just a real business working with Amiga customers. Not these other kind of weird name owners...

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RE: Amiga, yet again?
by John Bayko on Wed 26th Sep 2007 14:51 UTC in reply to "Amiga, yet again?"
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2006-10-20

"I wonder how much GEOS is going for these days..."

$99.95 USD, now called "Breadbox Ensemble" (the OS itself is an OEM product) - here is the web site of the current owners: http://www.breadbox.com/

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RE[2]: Amiga, yet again?
by Almafeta on Wed 26th Sep 2007 15:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Amiga, yet again?"
Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

"I wonder how much GEOS is going for these days..." $99.95 USD, now called "Breadbox Ensemble" (the OS itself is an OEM product) - here is the web site of the current owners: http://www.breadbox.com/


Yeah, but I can't buy a copy, that website hasn't been updated in 2 years, and the links to their flagship GEOS product, the geobook, is a dead link... GEOS is about as dead as Amiga now.

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Yay! Bring out your whips!
by DevL on Tue 25th Sep 2007 18:54 UTC
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2005-07-06

It's time to beat our favourite dead horse again!

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haha
by poundsmack on Tue 25th Sep 2007 19:04 UTC
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2005-07-13

while your at it...

"dear apple,

please sell us OS9."

If you are an amiga fan look to MorphOS. though I wish DiscreetFX luck on this one.

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Dasher42
Member since:
2007-04-05

I was an Amiga owner, and I loved having my smooth multitasking and multimedia and games while the rest of the world lumbered through DOS and then Windows 3.x. Then I got treated to that ride of watching Commodore management screw things up fantastically badly while the highly enthusiastic and energetic fan base could only watch.

If the Amiga had been open, those worse than useless pointyhairs could never have sunk it. Amiga enthusiasts would have had matters in their hands instead of waiting for their Godot to do things right fifteen years too late.

R.I.P. mi Amiga.

Edited 2007-09-25 19:11

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What sort of way to do business is that?
by Vanders on Tue 25th Sep 2007 19:19 UTC
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2005-07-06

So you can't get someone who doesn't want you to sell you something that is valuable to them, at a price you think is "fair". The correct response is not to whine and stamp your feet, and it is certainly not to try and get others to stamp their feet with you. What does DiscreetFX honestly expect to happen here?

Post-C= Amiga has always been a bit of a circus, but this takes it to a whole new level. Ridiculous.

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Whining much?
by merkoth on Tue 25th Sep 2007 19:26 UTC
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2006-09-22

This is madness: You ask to buy a company, the company says "look, we're worth X amount of money", which is way more than you're willing to pay and... it time for the fans to give you a hand?

What kind of bussiness is DicreteFX? That attitude is like calling you mom just because you big brother doesn't want to lend you his toys...

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RE: Whining much?
by poundsmack on Tue 25th Sep 2007 19:29 UTC in reply to "Whining much?"
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2005-07-13

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3958&start=2...

as is indicated here, what was said and done was not the intend of DescreetFX as a whole. But by one person who might have gotten a little carried away.

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RE
by Kroc on Tue 25th Sep 2007 19:40 UTC
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2005-11-10

Bring AmigaOS to the MacMini (or any PPC hardware), and then I'll be interested

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RE
by gleng on Tue 25th Sep 2007 20:08 UTC in reply to "RE"
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2006-02-16

It could be ported to any PPC hardware. Rumour has it that it already runs on the G4 Mac mini. It's just that Amiga Inc. won't give anyone a license to release it.

Amiga Inc. are either grossly incompetent, or they're actively trying to destroy everything. I'm not sure which anymore.

Edit: Pretty much all the work is done. The OS is finished, and the hardware is ready. All we need is for someone to remove Amiga Inc. from the equation.

Edited 2007-09-25 20:11

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BEST THING TO DO
by transami on Tue 25th Sep 2007 19:46 UTC
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2006-02-28

Put all your Amiga stuff in a closet, stop visiting sites related to Amiga (except AROS), and forget about it. In so doing you utterly take away any power these foolish "Inc"s have. If you want to save Amiga, you have to kill her first! Think about it. As long as Amiga, Inc. has enough poor souls to feed on, it will always hold the Amiga technology captive. So give up, let Amiga Inc. fold. And then, maybe one day, Amiga can return to us.

Unfortunately, I have my doubts that most of you (you know who you are) are smart enough to do this.

In any case, if DiscreetFX doesn't plan to open source the OS, who cares anyway? It boggles my mind, but most Amiga-die hards just don't seem to get the whole open-source thing. Why is that?

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RE: BEST THING TO DO
by gleng on Tue 25th Sep 2007 20:13 UTC in reply to "BEST THING TO DO"
gleng Member since:
2006-02-16

The problem is, how do you boycott someone that doesn't sell anything?

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Wow
by AndrewZ on Tue 25th Sep 2007 20:20 UTC
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2005-11-15

You couldn't make up a better story than this. Amiga just won't die...

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RE: Wow
by DigitalAxis on Wed 26th Sep 2007 00:50 UTC in reply to "Wow"
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2005-08-28

It won't live either. Seriously, what is it about the Amiga that's attracted so many companies that don't actually want to sell a product?

I mean, seriously. One could argue that Gateway probably had no intention of doing anything with the Amiga, the present Amiga Inc. made the mistake of writing it for custom hardware... but really, how many times and for how long are people going to do nothing? The latest Commodore hardware I know of is the C64 DTV.

Then again, BeOS had similar problems with Zeta. Fortunately there's Haiku, just like there's AROS for Amiga.

I guess RiscOS benefits from this by still having the original companies around, sort of...

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RE[2]: Wow
by gleng on Wed 26th Sep 2007 12:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow"
gleng Member since:
2006-02-16

"the present Amiga Inc. made the mistake of writing it for custom hardware"

It must be clarified that Amiga Inc. have done precisely nothing for Amiga OS 4 apart from allow its creation in the first place.

They allowed its creation, but they will not allow it to be sold. The current court documents even claim that Eyetech's AmigaOnes were illegal.

Hardware has never, ever been a problem. Prying a license out of Amiga Inc. has.

They are a blight on the Amiga platform and it's communities.

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How are they an Inc?
by areimann on Tue 25th Sep 2007 20:31 UTC
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2006-06-12

What do people buy from them? Is it just lingering clients from the 90's that are hoping that they will do something eventually?

"transami" is write...they need to open-source it. they should open source, support it, sell hardware that runs it. at least that way they would have a product that you can purchase. ;)

is their new OS vaporware?

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RE: How are they an Inc?
by gleng on Wed 26th Sep 2007 12:28 UTC in reply to "How are they an Inc?"
gleng Member since:
2006-02-16

What do people buy from them?


Well, apart from a few mobile phone games, they don't make or sell anything. It must be said that the current company that calls itself Amiga Inc. has no relation to Commodore or Amiga Technologies. If I'm correct, it seems that they don't even technically own the old Amiga IP. I recall that Gateway, who are now part of Acer, are the owners, and that Amiga Inc. are just perpetual licensees.

"transami" is write...they need to open-source it. they should open source, support it, sell hardware that runs it. at least that way they would have a product that you can purchase.


They have nothing to open source. The only power they have is to license the trademarks and IP. Or not.

is their new OS vaporware?


Amiga OS 4 was written (with initial permission from Amiga Inc.) by Hyperion Entertainment. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to use it yet, but the people lucky enough to have obtained AmigaOne motherboards are running it today. Hyperion are still actively working on it, and it has been shown off at many Amiga shows.

It's not vapourware. It's just not allowed to be sold.

If the current court battle is won by Hyperion, then I expect we will see OS 4 running on pretty much anything with a PowerPC processor. ;)

Edited 2007-09-26 12:29

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RE[2]: How are they an Inc?
by areimann on Wed 26th Sep 2007 20:07 UTC in reply to "RE: How are they an Inc?"
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2006-06-12

Nice response. You seem very informed on it. Good to get some insights on who is Amiga and what they own.

thanks!

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RE[3]: How are they an Inc?
by gleng on Wed 26th Sep 2007 23:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: How are they an Inc?"
gleng Member since:
2006-02-16

No worries!

Amiga users tend to spend most of their time watching and waiting at the moment. ;)

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Bah
by siki_miki on Tue 25th Sep 2007 20:47 UTC
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2006-01-17

Amiga is (unfortunately) a thing of past. After 10+ years it's resurrection is still only a myth.

Simply, the whole platform has been stagnating, dead for a decade, while others made remarkable progress and hardware changed in ways that not many could predict.

Even today Amiga doesn't have a chance if it isn't an ordinary PC with a general purpose processor (IBM, Intel or AMD), with a graphic card made by AMD/Intel/Nvidia, so forget about all fancy 2D acceleration capabilities that Amiga was capable of. Retro look also won't cut it, it's not enough. Nor will the OS which resembles AmigaOS be fancy enough to compete in niche that is currently held by Apple (and yet, they also make x86 PCs).

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v RE: Bah
by JohnOne on Tue 25th Sep 2007 21:19 UTC in reply to "Bah"
RE[2]: Bah
by BluenoseJake on Tue 25th Sep 2007 23:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Bah"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

if the thing runs Windows, it's a frigging PC. It's got SATA and PATA interfaces, DDR2 Ram, Core 2 processors, a PCI Express Bus, standard Harddrives, standard Nvidia or ATI cards, sounds like a PC to me, whatever pretty case you put it in.

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RE[3]: Bah
by JohnOne on Wed 26th Sep 2007 10:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bah"
JohnOne Member since:
2006-03-25

standard Nvidia or ATI cards


Nvidia and Ati cards for Macs are "Mac Edition" ones, not standard ones.

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RE[4]: Bah
by BluenoseJake on Wed 26th Sep 2007 11:26 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Bah"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

As I understand it, the main differences between MAC and PC Video cards is just the firmware. You can change the card back and forth by changing the firmware. I may be wrong, but that means in my mind that they are the same cards

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RE[2]: Bah
by Soulbender on Wed 26th Sep 2007 03:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Bah"
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2005-08-18

Apple make PC's. It's a term, not a brand name. You do know that PC means "Personal Computer", right? Last time I checked Apple made personal computers.

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RE[3]: Bah
by aliquis on Wed 26th Sep 2007 05:51 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bah"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Last time I checked Apple INVENTED the personal computer.

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RE[4]: Bah
by Kroc on Wed 26th Sep 2007 06:25 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Bah"
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2005-11-10

yeah, Well, Apple invented your mum! ;)

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RE[5]: Bah
by JohnOne on Wed 26th Sep 2007 10:40 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Bah"
JohnOne Member since:
2006-03-25

yeah, Well, Apple invented your mum! ;)


"Personal Computer" is a term invented by Apple for the Apple ][, if I remember well.

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RE[4]: Bah
by wakeupneo on Wed 26th Sep 2007 08:28 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Bah"
wakeupneo Member since:
2005-07-06

You might want to check again...

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stupid
by viton on Tue 25th Sep 2007 21:11 UTC
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2005-08-09

I have $100 to spare.
And i want to buy Amiga,Inc.
Is this price fair enough?
;)

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RE: stupid
by aliquis on Wed 26th Sep 2007 05:40 UTC in reply to "stupid"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

"yes" ;D

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Interview
by novaburst on Tue 25th Sep 2007 21:55 UTC
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2005-11-12

Here is an interview with the CEO of DiscreetFX a few months back.

http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2007/05/bill-panagouleas-interview-wha...

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Gotta wonder what their offer was...
by tyrione on Tue 25th Sep 2007 22:14 UTC
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2005-11-21

Be Inc., wanted at least $100 Million and people whined that NeXT's value at $400 Million was a ripoff. Shows how much people knew about what NeXT had in the safe.

Amiga is no NeXT.

Amiga is no Be Inc.

If Amiga wants more than Be Inc., did back in 1997 then they truly are living in an alternative universe.

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aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

I think Amiga was sold to Bill & co for 7 million dollars last time.

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kamil_chatrnuch Member since:
2005-07-07

was is mentioned yet somewhere, what they've asked for it now?

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On a slightly-related note
by raynevandunem on Tue 25th Sep 2007 22:21 UTC
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2006-11-24

Is it possible to use AROS as a server OS yet?

I remember a few months ago when one of the Haiku devs was able to use Haiku to host a webpage. To me, that was a breakthrough, since that showed that Haiku is on its way to becoming a network-ready OS like Windows NT or BSD/Linux.

So it would be awesome to see AROS or MorphOS demonstrate its network-readiness by hosting a demo webpage.

Amiga server? That sounds awesome.
http://www.amigau.com/c-networking/webservers.htm

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hmm
by broken_symlink on Wed 26th Sep 2007 00:32 UTC
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2005-07-06

I have to admit, that after all these years I still don't get what the big deal is. I understand that 20 years ago the amiga was the best thing since sliced bread, but after watching a video on youtube and seeing how amazingly fast it runs on old hardware I still don't get it. I wasn't really that impressed by what I saw.

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RE: hmm
by aliquis on Wed 26th Sep 2007 05:48 UTC in reply to "hmm"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

If nothing else the fact that "everything works" ;D and all the small hacks and utilities made it so much FUN to use.

The very strong scene culture helped aswell.

Cheap, powerful, innovative, lots of games, lots of hacks, lots of free software (aminet), lots of demos, lots of modules, good software for doing all those kinds of stuff.

It was built to be a great powerful hobby machine with "multimedia support", it wasn't just your generic PC.

Edited 2007-09-26 05:50

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RE[2]: hmm
by PJBonoVox on Wed 26th Sep 2007 11:21 UTC in reply to "RE: hmm"
PJBonoVox Member since:
2006-08-14

Everything you've said is in the past tense, which totally sums the situation up.

Time for everyone to move on.

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If more people ask for it...
by aliquis on Wed 26th Sep 2007 05:36 UTC
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2005-07-23

... Amiga Inc will probably just raise the price even more.

Just ignore the f--kers and use MorphOS instead. Sure there was the incident with the developers for morphos, but except that Genesi have behaved very nice. Something which can not be said about Amiga Inc.

Amiga has always been screwed, I think they said it best themself:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/messages.html
"We made Amiga, They f--ked it up"

Thought that was before my Amiga days, and I enjoyed my Amiga a lot even after that. I wouldn't have thought a second if I had the choice to replace my 3 week old macbook pro with a modern version of the Amiga (No, not an AmigaOne with AmigaOS 4... An Amiga how it would had been 15 years after 92 if they had survived, or even better if there never where a Commodore.)

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Correction
by Spellcheck on Wed 26th Sep 2007 06:23 UTC
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2007-01-20

"Buyout" is a noun, "buy out" is a verb (phrase).

"I intend to buy out that company, resulting in a buyout."

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Hyperion Sucks!
by zhulien on Wed 26th Sep 2007 15:43 UTC
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2006-12-06

I think all current Amiga companies suck (I don't include Genesi in this as they are fantastic!).

http://zhulien.kicks-ass.net/hyperionsucks.htm

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RE: Hyperion Sucks!
by makc on Wed 26th Sep 2007 15:54 UTC in reply to "Hyperion Sucks!"
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2006-01-11

fanboy++ ;)

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list of companies
by 2501 on Wed 26th Sep 2007 20:33 UTC
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2005-07-14

Can somebody provide a list of name of the companies using Amiga OS? I just wonder who uses Amiga OS because for me they are not making any money. I have no hope for Amiga anymore.
-2501

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Let it R.I.P.
by falemagn on Thu 27th Sep 2007 00:07 UTC
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2005-07-06

'nuff said.

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AROS + MiniMig FTW
by Downix on Thu 27th Sep 2007 01:07 UTC
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2007-08-21

Forget AInc. I am focused on the open-sourced OS AROS and open-sourced Amiga clone hardware MiniMig. I see the future there for the Amiga, a niche fun little toy.

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