Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 26th Sep 2007 00:19 UTC
Multimedia, AV Geeks.com sent us in the JVC GR-D347US camcorder for a review. Read on for more and check some test footage for this cheap digital camcorder, possibly the cheapest miniDV model in the market today.
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minidv
by _df_ on Wed 26th Sep 2007 00:36 UTC
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2005-07-06

we just got a panasonic GS80, minidv is alive and well.

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RE: minidv
by Eugenia on Wed 26th Sep 2007 00:38 UTC in reply to "minidv"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

miniDV is alive and well for *SD* material. But the market is going towards HD, and tapes are just extra inconvenient for that format. The market is going towards AVCHD now.

My own HD camera, the now legendary Canon HV20 (the best-selling prosumer camera ever), is an HDV camera (also using tapes), and this is good choice *for now* because NLEs support it. But in 2-3 years from now, I will be moving to an HDD-based AVCHD one too.

Read my link in the article on AVCHD where I explain the situation more.

Edited 2007-09-26 00:43

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avchd
by _df_ on Wed 26th Sep 2007 01:46 UTC
_df_
Member since:
2005-07-06

i know all about avchd, we have a professional videographer / editor / photographer in the family (not me!).

minidv is cheap and will be around for quite a while more. SD camcorders are not yet set to take over the consumer market.

I agree in 2-3 years AVCHD will be kicking butt, but there is little point in going to that right now.

hdd camcorders eat _way_ too much juice, but they trade it for space.

it still surprises me that mini dvd/cd recorders are still on the market as they are just horrid.

SD material is going to be king for a loooong time.

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RE: avchd
by Eugenia on Wed 26th Sep 2007 01:57 UTC in reply to "avchd"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

While SD material might be around for more time, it is not clear that this would be miniDV material. The AVCHD consortium has specified their standard for SD resolutions too. And given the fact that chipsets getting cheaper while reading-tapes hardware does not, it is as safe to assume that SD camcorders might also move to the AVCHD h.264 standard rather than the current miniDV mpeg2 one.

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the price doesn't sound that good
by smashIt on Wed 26th Sep 2007 02:14 UTC
smashIt
Member since:
2005-07-06

what i don't like about the JVC GR-D347US is that it's refurbished with only 3 month of warranty

i can get a new JVC GR-D 725 here in austria for 190 (including 20% tax)

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

The price is fair IMO. 190 is $265 and this camcorder sells for $150 instead.

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l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, I also checked I can get a D725 for about 1.5 the price of this refurbished D347 with just 3 months wy. I'd bet on the new one.

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Why is this article even here?
by hibridmatthias on Wed 26th Sep 2007 02:34 UTC
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Member since:
2007-04-11

This is an OS site? Who cares about a darn camcorder? I read this site to see what is going on in the OS arena and its collateral subjects as well.

If I wanted a digital toy hardware review I would have looked lelsewhere. Maybe if they talked about the embedded OS or how it can be hacked to work with multiple operating systems it would be relevant.

I fail to see why this article his here...

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leavengood Member since:
2006-12-13

No one forced you to read the review. I personally found the review very useful as I am looking to get my first camcorder and this seems like a decent choice. Since I have no idea if I will use it much starting cheap is smart. Thanks Eugenia, the test footage was particularly useful.

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hibridmatthias Member since:
2007-04-11

No one forced me to read it, that is true.

However...

1) I never said I was forced to read it. I asked what it was doing here. Stay on topic please.

2) I read it in hopes that there would be some sort of connection to an OS...maybe better Linux hardware compatability or maybe some included software that runs on OSs other than OSX or MS platforms. Those would make it much more related to a site called OSNEWS!
The general category of geek stuff fits more at slashdot or somesuch.

3) Given Eugenia's fine posts before, which I have enjoyed, by the way, this whole article seemed to be a non sequiter....

4) I dont care where the article was referenced from. There are a million geek sites and electronic sites. THis is an OS site. This isnt a shot at you, so chill out there...please...you'll avoid heart failure alot longer...

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memson Member since:
2006-01-01

I asked what it was doing here.... [..] ...THis is an OS site.....

I think you will find that OS News has had the remit "NOT JUST Operating System News" for some time... it's even the tag line on the Beta site.

You are not the first person to belly-ache about the subject matter on OS News... I did once too. However, the editiorial stance is firmly in the "Geek" and not just OS arena now (and has been for a number of years) so I guess you can either get over it or find a new site that covers Operating System related news as much as this one does.

I really do commend Eugenia on her new found restraint ;-) She has commited virtual manslaughter for less in the past.

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

>I really do commend Eugenia on her new found restraint

My internet connection was off for 4 hours. ;)

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v RE: Why is this article even here?
by ssa2204 on Wed 26th Sep 2007 03:08 UTC in reply to "Why is this article even here?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Exactly!

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RE: Why is this article even here?
by l3v1 on Wed 26th Sep 2007 08:37 UTC in reply to "Why is this article even here?"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

I fail to see why this article his here...


Well, the details...
Geeks.com sent us
, now you see. [no offence]

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RE: Why is this article even here?
by polaris20 on Wed 26th Sep 2007 18:42 UTC in reply to "Why is this article even here?"
polaris20 Member since:
2005-07-06

This is an OS site? Who cares about a darn camcorder? I read this site to see what is going on in the OS arena and its collateral subjects as well.

If you look closely, you'll find that the article is called "Review: The JVC GR-D347US Camcorder"

If you don't want to read it, don't click on it. It's that simple.

I can't believe people are really whining about this article.

Edited 2007-09-26 18:44

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Get it new on newegg
by jdve on Wed 26th Sep 2007 03:36 UTC
jdve
Member since:
2006-02-05

Better to get this new from newegg for $15 more:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830145065&Tpk...

The geek.com one is refurbished.

Edited 2007-09-26 03:38

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RE: Get it new on newegg
by Eugenia on Wed 26th Sep 2007 03:54 UTC in reply to "Get it new on newegg"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

"Recertified" might just mean the same thing as "refurbished" at geeks.

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v I thought this site was called OSnews?
by PiEp on Wed 26th Sep 2007 07:41 UTC
Very Informative Review....thank you!
by TechBuzz on Wed 26th Sep 2007 16:22 UTC
TechBuzz
Member since:
2007-09-26

Eugenia - your reviews are all well thought out and well executed. This miniDV review supports that statement.

Solid job!

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TechBuzz Member since:
2007-09-26

Have you ever visited the 'Topics' category within this site?

http://osnews.com/topic.php

If you do, you may notice categories for:

Geek Stuff
Hardware
Graphics
Multimedia, AV
Games
Internet & Networking

To say, if the post does not relate to an OS topic it has no place on this site, is very close minded and opinion based.

The taxonomy of this site and obvious category structure disproves that statement completely.

If a headline does not peek your interest move on to one that does. Don't bash quality writing because it's not a topic 'you' are interested in.

I visit 100's of blog's a day via my Google reader and if my favorite tech site has a headline about 'why the Bears are going to win the super bowl', I don't question, I move on to the other 99 sites and look for a different post that catches my eye.

No worries....life is too short to spend it going against the grain.

Edited 2007-09-26 19:00

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