Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Sep 2007 15:10 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The Ubuntu team has released the beta for Ubuntu 7.10, Gutsy Gibbon. Highlights include GNOME 2.20, fancy desktop effects through Compiz Fusion, and more. Kubuntu 7.10 beta has also been released, featuring Dolphin as the default file manager, a restricted drivers manager, and updates and polish across the board.
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Damn it
by Temcat on Thu 27th Sep 2007 15:39 UTC
Temcat
Member since:
2005-10-18

Just installed Tribe 5 in VMware...

RE: Damn it
by mjorkerina on Thu 27th Sep 2007 15:51 UTC in reply to "Damn it"
mjorkerina Member since:
2007-09-18

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule

Well, they did say they were going to release a beta on september 27th so you were kinda asking for it.

RE: Damn it
by tonywob on Thu 27th Sep 2007 15:52 UTC in reply to "Damn it"
tonywob Member since:
2005-07-06

So did I, but it offered to upgrade itself ;) . Fantastic OS

And it keeps getting better
by jcinacio on Thu 27th Sep 2007 15:57 UTC
jcinacio
Member since:
2006-03-12

I installed tribe5 on my laptop about a week ago, and (to no surprise) it just keeps getting better.

Things mostly "just work", but my major pain is with graphics drivers and acpi:

- ATI restricted driver (fglrx): no compiz, suspend/hibernate hardlock.
- ATI opensource driver (radeon): no compiz, no 3d, screen garbage at times, no hibernate.

IMHO developers should probably give higher importance to these kinds of bugs because (specially on notebooks) suspend is a MUST!

Other than that, i'm actually extremely happy with gutsy.

RE: And it keeps getting better
by snozzberry on Thu 27th Sep 2007 16:06 UTC in reply to "And it keeps getting better"
snozzberry Member since:
2005-11-14

Things mostly "just work"


On legacy hardware, there are a lot of issues that didn't crop up with Feisty. The PPC iMac I have Feisty chugging along on had the following issues with Tribe 5:

- core calculation libraries like liboil compiled using only AltiVec (which is unavailable to G3s)
- OpenOffice crashing on opening earlier documents and when creating tables of contents (platform independent)
- IDE drivers not being probed by the kernel resulting in drives not being recognized (an issue also noticed by PC users)

Something seems to have changed in the development process and the paradigm seems to be support for the newest NewWorld Macs but ignoring older NewWorld Macs which are completely capable of running the OS.

RE[2]: And it keeps getting better
by merkoth on Thu 27th Sep 2007 16:22 UTC in reply to "RE: And it keeps getting better"
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that Ubuntu had dropped official PPC Mac support.

snozzberry Member since:
2005-11-14

Community support, still served off Ubuntu's servers.

RE: And it keeps getting better
by aank45 on Thu 27th Sep 2007 18:42 UTC in reply to "And it keeps getting better"
aank45 Member since:
2005-08-04

- ATI restricted driver (fglrx): no compiz, suspend/hibernate hardlock.
- ATI opensource driver (radeon): no compiz, no 3d, screen garbage at times, no hibernate.


What card do you have? Radeon 7000 - X850 should have compiz, 3d out of the box with the open source drivers. Eg. I have X800 and compiz works fluently and without problems. I also have a laptop with Radeon Mobility with working hibernate and suspend.

Regarding fglrx, Ubuntu developers can't fix faults of a closed source driver.

RE[2]: And it keeps getting better
by jcinacio on Thu 27th Sep 2007 19:21 UTC in reply to "RE: And it keeps getting better"
jcinacio Member since:
2006-03-12

What card do you have? Radeon 7000 - X850 should have compiz, 3d out of the box with the open source drivers. Eg. I have X800 and compiz works fluently and without problems. I also have a laptop with Radeon Mobility with working hibernate and suspend.


The notebook is an aspire 5050 with ATI Radeon Xpress 1100, i guess it's something similar to the X300 for graphics.
Sorry, no compiz at all here (and i did try a lot of different Xorg settings)... don't believe me?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+radeon+compiz+problems

Regarding fglrx, Ubuntu developers can't fix faults of a closed source driver.


Absolutely! i just wish i didn't have to deal with the issues it has. i had no idea fglrx would work so badly on my laptop

RE[3]: And it keeps getting better
by adamk on Thu 27th Sep 2007 19:51 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: And it keeps getting better"
adamk Member since:
2005-07-08

The Xpress chipsets only recently gained 3D support with the open source drivers, and even that support isn't good enough to run compiz, unfortunately.

Compiz will work with the fglrx drivers, however, if you install xserver-xgl :-) I've been told that installing it will automatically configure it to start with X (which didn't happen previously with Feisty... It requires extra configuration there).

Adam

jcinacio Member since:
2006-03-12

Thanks,
after installing the xserver-xgl compiz does indeed work... i just have to fix suspend/hibernate now 8-|

RE: And it keeps getting better
by DFreeze on Fri 28th Sep 2007 06:22 UTC in reply to "And it keeps getting better"
DFreeze Member since:
2006-01-17

I have a Xpress 200M myself, and in the early Gutsy, the only way I could get Compiz to work was to make a new session that loads XGL. But just recently one of the updates made Gutsy automatically load XGL on startup, so Compiz was enabled without my intervention.

I don't know why that doesn't happen with your system. If your graphics card is supported with fglrx, it should automagically start an XGL session.

Pretty Nice
by bsharitt on Thu 27th Sep 2007 16:19 UTC
bsharitt
Member since:
2005-07-07

I've been using the prereleases for a while now, and I've been impressed. I can't wait until it's fully done and has that final coat or polish.

Wallpaper
by xultz on Thu 27th Sep 2007 16:29 UTC
xultz
Member since:
2006-05-09

So far, the only problem IMHO is the default background, that reminds me a very good chocolate. I love it, but I must stop eating because I am a little fat. And it will be hard to change the background, because I love chocolate...

v RE: Wallpaper
by spikeb on Thu 27th Sep 2007 19:17 UTC in reply to "Wallpaper"
RE: Wallpaper
by jcinacio on Thu 27th Sep 2007 19:39 UTC in reply to "Wallpaper"
jcinacio Member since:
2006-03-12

I actually dislike it... VERY much!
Yes, it does have a "chocolate" feel, but it was also the first thing i changed in my install, right before the orange theme and icons...

On the other hand, i wish more wallpapers were included, with different styles and colors. I really hope they add a couple before final release.

RE[2]: Wallpaper
by p.leiner on Fri 28th Sep 2007 02:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Wallpaper"
p.leiner Member since:
2007-08-03

scroll down a bit for the animals one :-)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas

RE[2]: Wallpaper
by de_wizze on Fri 28th Sep 2007 08:51 UTC in reply to "RE: Wallpaper"
de_wizze Member since:
2005-10-31

I do hope they will come to a point where they include with a fair bit of consistency a variety of svg and png wallpapers that contain transparencies which will allow for theme agnostic coloring.

Plus isn't still possible to install those desktop-calendar packages that were availible way back in the beginning when ubuntu just came out (you might remeber there were some semi-nude background images at one point)

Only 3 more weeks to wait
by werfu on Thu 27th Sep 2007 16:41 UTC
werfu
Member since:
2005-09-15

Currently running it on my laptop and I had some issues with compiz and KDE, mainly the knetworkmanager crashing and tray icons popping outside the tray. I can't wait to see the final release.

I've been eager to get new release, sometime whishing to return to Gentoo, but the remind of compile time gets me to wait. Arrggg, where did all my spare time went? LOL

Kubuntu
by SlackerJack on Thu 27th Sep 2007 16:45 UTC
SlackerJack
Member since:
2005-11-12

Looks alot better than Ubuntu, login screen and splash look very nice. Dont know why but they don't save the window positions by default and no kdegames installed, splitting the packages up as they do is crazy.

ozonehole
Member since:
2006-01-07

I downloaded Tribe 5 just yesterday - I couldn't get Network Manager to connect my wireless. It detected the wireless, and even my neighbor's, but wouldn't connect. I filed a bug report yesterday, waiting to hear.

I'm downloading the beta right now - hope the problem is solved. I'll find out in a couple of hours.

I am very much looking foward to this release.

Edited 2007-09-27 17:26

ozonehole Member since:
2006-01-07

I'll answer my own question. I just downloaded Gutsy Beta and the problem with wireless that I had with Tribe 5 has gone away.

Thank you, Ubuntu developers!

apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

Blue on blue? Are you kidding me? i would go blind using that theme. Especially with splashscreen.

snozzberry Member since:
2005-11-14

Dear god, it's gotten worse since I stopped using KDE. Blue is a color, not a religious preference.

Themes are supposed to be balanced by default. This isn't.

DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

Although blue is the default color for KDE, it is not that pervasive on the UI by default. That seems to be a choice made by the Kubuntu art team.

Blue happens to be my favorite color and the one that I use in my desktops together with some shades of gray sometimes, but I have to agree with you here: too much blue everywhere and not enough contrast, at least on the splash screen. They really need to work on that.

Dolphin
by leos on Thu 27th Sep 2007 17:33 UTC
leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

Does anyone know if dolphin is the KDE3 version or the KDE4 version? I think the kde3 version is a little too basic to be the default file manager... but perhaps they pulled in a snapshot of the KDE4 version instead, which is very impressive already.

RE: Dolphin
by ppenz on Thu 27th Sep 2007 18:06 UTC in reply to "Dolphin"
ppenz Member since:
2007-02-20

They took the KDE 3 version of Dolphin. The used version is based on Dolphin 0.8.2 and contains some minor fixes and improvements like the ability having 2 sidebars in parallel. See also http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/download.html section "D3lphin 0.9" for more details...

Best regards,
Peter

bimbo
Member since:
2006-05-09

this ain't Windows, Ubuntu can update itself just fine.

RE[4]: And it keeps getting better
by Extreme Coder on Thu 27th Sep 2007 20:04 UTC
Extreme Coder
Member since:
2007-07-26

.. or you could use a distro which deals wih the whole xserver xgl/whatever thing by itself, like OpenSUSE or Mandriva ;)

upgrade
by Tweek on Thu 27th Sep 2007 20:32 UTC
Tweek
Member since:
2006-01-12

How do you upgrade?

If you google howto upgrade all it comes up with is blog spam.

RE: upgrade
by Dubbayoo on Thu 27th Sep 2007 21:00 UTC in reply to "upgrade"
Dubbayoo Member since:
2006-02-09

If you click the first link in the first post of this thread there is a big headline that says "Upgrading from Ubuntu 7.04".

v Canonical owns this site
by GENIUS on Fri 28th Sep 2007 02:20 UTC
RE: Canonical owns this site
by spikeb on Fri 28th Sep 2007 02:37 UTC in reply to "Canonical owns this site"
spikeb Member since:
2006-01-18

nobody here would care about the enterprise editions, have to go with the home user distros if you want something other than ubuntu here ;)

RE: Canonical owns this site
by de_wizze on Fri 28th Sep 2007 08:59 UTC in reply to "Canonical owns this site"
de_wizze Member since:
2005-10-31

Why don't you write a none biased reviwed of one of those Distro's and submit it to thise site. I'm sure they would not mind.

Tried Upgrading
by spikeb on Fri 28th Sep 2007 02:36 UTC
spikeb
Member since:
2006-01-18

via a cd, it completely broke X. hopefully the final is better.

can't even boot from cd
by ScannerAssy on Fri 28th Sep 2007 18:36 UTC
ScannerAssy
Member since:
2006-07-19

I can't boot from live cd with ubuntu beta 2 : ends with msg :
can't access tty; job control turned off.
tried to remove hd's with no success. Seem's xp will stay here for a while...

Kubuntu won't install?
by DrillSgt on Sat 29th Sep 2007 18:49 UTC
DrillSgt
Member since:
2005-12-02

Live CD works great. This release seems much more responsive to me than 7.04, especially for running off the CD. Only issue I ran into was clicking Install starts the bouncing icon for feedback, but the installer itself never starts. Any ideas anyone? Reporting a bug, but thought to ask here as well since I was posting anyway.

Colors/Wallpapers/Icons
by HangLoose on Sat 29th Sep 2007 19:24 UTC
HangLoose
Member since:
2007-09-03

I hope that one day we, linux users, could pass this discussion about which color/wallpaper/icon is better than the other to something more constructive...

Meanwhile, chocolate is good enough for me as long as I can change it...

Edited 2007-09-29 19:25 UTC

Warm feeling
by netpython on Sun 30th Sep 2007 09:17 UTC
netpython
Member since:
2005-07-06

when i see the improvements that have been implemented. Also the ubuntu devs aren't too proud to implement other implementatations with the purpose of continuously improvement. Fortunately the Peter Principle doesn't apply here:-)

Looks good, so far...
by mwtomlinson on Sun 30th Sep 2007 14:46 UTC
mwtomlinson
Member since:
2005-11-06

I did a clean install on my Dell E1505n laptop yesterday. So far, so good. Everything was detected, hardware-wise - except the built-in Winmodem, which I don't use anyway. They even restored the Ctrl-Alt arrow keys for moving between virtual screens, which had been missing from earlier versions.

Widescreen resolutions
by Dubbayoo on Sun 30th Sep 2007 20:57 UTC
Dubbayoo
Member since:
2006-02-09

I couldn't get the gui to boot on my widescreen LCD; preferred resolution = 1680x1050. Thankfully I won't be doing a fresh install. I just wanted to try it.

Great!!!!!!!!
by heh heh on Mon 1st Oct 2007 03:36 UTC
heh heh
Member since:
2005-07-06

This is wonderful. i finally have a linux distro that i
like as much as windows. at the rate things are going
with ubuntu & pclinux, windows might just be leaving
my computers. THANK YOU Mark S!!!!!