Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Oct 2007 20:41 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris Project Indiana, Sun Microsystems' Linux-like OpenSolaris effort, will begin shipping to developers before the end of October, the company announced Oct. 15 at its open-source summit press event here. The developer release will include Image Packaging System, a new package manager slated for inclusion in the next version of Solaris, but won't be back-ported to Solaris 10, the most recent version to ship, said Ian Murdock, Sun's chief operating systems platform strategist, in an address to the media. All of the technology developed under Project Indiana will be delivered through OpenSolaris going forward, he said. The full release is expected in March. More here.
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Can't wait
by google_ninja on Tue 16th Oct 2007 21:23 UTC
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2006-02-05

I am actually really excited about project indiana. I've been a Linux user for about 8 years now, if SUN delivers, this could very well get me to switch.

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RE: Can't wait
by Xaero_Vincent on Tue 16th Oct 2007 23:15 UTC in reply to "Can't wait"
Xaero_Vincent Member since:
2006-08-18

I am actually really excited about project indiana. I've been a Linux user for about 8 years now, if SUN delivers, this could very well get me to switch.


Why?

You'll switch from Linux to Solaris just to learn a set of different commands with equivelent functionality and run the same GUI applications and desktop environments on top.

Edited 2007-10-16 23:18

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RE[2]: Can't wait
by Weeman on Tue 16th Oct 2007 23:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Can't wait"
Weeman Member since:
2006-03-20

Why?

Why not?

Solaris gets you different interesting features. ZFS, zones, DTrace, SMF, fault management, etc.

Or maybe someone just doesn't like the recent ideology around the kernel project and wants to switch because of that (i.e. my reason for avoiding Linux).

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RE[2]: Can't wait
by Weeman on Tue 16th Oct 2007 23:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Can't wait"
Weeman Member since:
2006-03-20

--edit: Double post.

Edited 2007-10-16 23:30

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RE[2]: Can't wait
by google_ninja on Wed 17th Oct 2007 04:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Can't wait"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Zones, ZFS, and DTrace, not to mention better throughput and stability.

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RE[3]: Can't wait
by theine on Wed 17th Oct 2007 14:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Can't wait"
theine Member since:
2005-09-29

...not to mention better throughput and stability.

And that's undoubtedly a fact, right?

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RE[2]: Can't wait
by Oliver on Wed 17th Oct 2007 17:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Can't wait"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

A different operating system isn't equal to some GUI mumbo jumbo. There is one different league, apart from Linux, BSD and Solaris both of them with stable ABI and real quality. This I call quality!

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Better driver support
by siska on Wed 17th Oct 2007 06:10 UTC in reply to "Can't wait"
siska Member since:
2006-02-01

I'm interested but I think that driver support is still lacking.
I installed SolarisExpressDeveloperEdition 9/07 on my DellInspiron6400 and the driver for my network card was not detected.
I'd have to install a third-part driver located somewhere at some website, which is a no-sense because the network card doesn't work so I could not download it...

So yes Gnome 2.20, compiz, eye-candy, etc, but I'd prefer also better driver support.

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RE: Better driver support
by kaiwai on Wed 17th Oct 2007 08:07 UTC in reply to "Better driver support"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

What type of card is it - and have you emailed the author of the driver to see if they're willing to submit the driver to the OpenSolaris consolidation?

Sitting on this forum complaining about the lack of driver support isn't going to do anything - its a community effort. Yes, Sun contributes but they have limited resources and must focus in those areas which yield their customers benefit and pay for themselves.

Yes, there are developers in Sun, whom in their own time, contribute to Solaris, but at the end of the day, it is still an opensource project in its infancy.

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RE[2]: Better driver support
by siska on Wed 17th Oct 2007 08:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Better driver support"
siska Member since:
2006-02-01

The drivers are here:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/
(bfe is needed)
as suggested by sun:
http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/systems/details/2046.html

I will e-mail the author then.

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New Debian?
by ikeX on Tue 16th Oct 2007 21:24 UTC
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2007-03-28

Is Ian trying to do another distribution? Well - I think Debian is very well Linux distro, but is Solaris going to find its niche? Time will tell...

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RE: New Debian?
by jwwf on Tue 16th Oct 2007 21:32 UTC in reply to "New Debian?"
jwwf Member since:
2006-01-19

It has a niche already, but it's world domination that I am hoping for ;)

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RE[2]: New Debian?
by SReilly on Tue 16th Oct 2007 21:54 UTC in reply to "RE: New Debian?"
SReilly Member since:
2006-12-28

...it's world domination that I am hoping for ;)

LOL! I hear you and definitely hope the same!

I disagree wish the niche statement though, at least in the server room. In my contracting days I never worked in a medium sized to large sized business that did not have at least one Solaris server running.

Man, there where times where the admins had no idea how to administer the Sun box! Often, the Sun systems was a component of a solution that was bought, installed and then left to run until it either broke down, where the company would call in tech support, or was replaced by a new solution.

Talk about getting more bang for your buck! ;-)

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RE: New Debian?
by HangLoose on Tue 16th Oct 2007 22:34 UTC in reply to "New Debian?"
HangLoose Member since:
2007-09-03

To be realistic Im not expecting something that big already in the beginning. But with the time yes... for sure.

I hope that they will make it easy to install like Ubuntu it's and also the package management so good like in Debian. Installation in Solaris was kinda complicated.

And I have no doubt that with the time it will mature to be a good product. Ian did it with open source, in way that he didnt have so many resources, and now with a wealthy company backing his ideas along with the open source fellows I believe/hope/wish that will be a good system.

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v DOA
by ChrisA on Tue 16th Oct 2007 22:01 UTC
RE: DOA
by Cass on Tue 16th Oct 2007 22:22 UTC in reply to "DOA"
Cass Member since:
2006-03-17

EH? JDS is alive and well ... Install Nevada sometime you will see it in all its glory ....

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RE[2]: DOA
by AdamR01 on Wed 17th Oct 2007 01:34 UTC in reply to "RE: DOA"
AdamR01 Member since:
2005-09-14

Maybe he means JDS as in Sun's Linux distro.

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RE: DOA
by Weeman on Tue 16th Oct 2007 23:18 UTC in reply to "DOA"
Weeman Member since:
2006-03-20

JDS is Gnome plus Sun's patches. And it's soon going to be renamed back to simply Gnome.

Also, you're being the same dick like on Channel9. Might consider going back there.

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Gee a new package manager
by Wondercool on Wed 17th Oct 2007 00:24 UTC
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2005-07-08

It's the 90's all over, the Unix Wars, or the not invented here syndrome.

Why do we need another package manager? We have Apt, Emerge, Rpm, Mandrake's system, and more.

Yes we are all supposed to scratch an itch in Open Software but this is like the early 90's and Unix had the opportunity to rule. But we lost out because every dist had it's own 'features'.

Stop the madness and start standardising!

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RE: Gee a new package manager
by poundsmack on Wed 17th Oct 2007 01:43 UTC in reply to "Gee a new package manager"
poundsmack Member since:
2005-07-13

while i agree there are many, and personaly i think to many, none of them are without their flaws. if SUN can do it better I welcome it.

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RE[2]: Gee a new package manager
by captrb on Wed 17th Oct 2007 05:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Gee a new package manager"
captrb Member since:
2005-09-16

Yes, most do have flaws (even my beloved dpkg+apt), but there is more to the debate. I think that it would be a great boon for Solaris to combine packaging forces with Debian and Ubuntu. I've tried Nexenta and despite its alpha status, it is budding candidate to be the best that modern unix and OSS has to offer.

"not invented here" walks hand in hand with "not cooperating here".

I realize there are technical considerations too, but you can't argue about the lost opportunities.

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RE: Gee a new package manager
by zugu on Wed 17th Oct 2007 07:43 UTC in reply to "Gee a new package manager"
zugu Member since:
2007-08-28

Because all of the current packaging methods have flaws. Oh, and remember "choice"?

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Embrace PackageKit...
by Temcat on Wed 17th Oct 2007 06:58 UTC
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Member since:
2005-10-18

while it's not too late! That way we could have a cross-*nix front-end API for installing packages that works regardless of the underlying backend (such as conary, apt, yum or this new Image Packaging System).

http://www.packagekit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Edited 2007-10-17 07:01

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Chargable extra?
by flibble on Wed 17th Oct 2007 09:54 UTC
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Member since:
2007-05-19

A package manager is great, but is Sun going to charge you for access to the repositories behind it? (as they do for non-security updates in Solaris 10)

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RE: Chargable extra?
by Weeman on Wed 17th Oct 2007 10:25 UTC in reply to "Chargable extra?"
Weeman Member since:
2006-03-20

They're going to adapt the Ubuntu model of official and unofficial repositories. If Sun would make their repository for-pay (which they don't intend to, alone because it would be counterproductive to adoption rates), someone could just mirror their repository and host it out of their jurisdiction.

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RE: Chargable extra?
by fretinator on Wed 17th Oct 2007 14:11 UTC in reply to "Chargable extra?"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

To be honest, I believe Sun, Canonical, Redhat, Mandriva, Suse, et al. SHOULD charge for their update service. If ever there was a way to recoup the cost of creating this excellent software, the service of providing high-speed, reliable, up-to-date, verified packages for updating your system is a service the should be charged for. I am so SICK of the get everything free (cost) mentality that pervades much of the Free (freedom) software world.

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RE[2]: Chargable extra?
by Oliver on Wed 17th Oct 2007 17:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Chargable extra?"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

> I am so SICK of the get everything free (cost) mentality that pervades much of the Free (freedom) software world.

Another one who doesn't understand freedom or just open source at all. In dubio pro libertate.

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YaPM (Yet another Package Manager):
by deb2006 on Wed 17th Oct 2007 20:44 UTC
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Member since:
2006-06-26

So now they have the best package manager in the world and the most advanced filesystem. I wonder what comes next? I know, they'll rewrite the GUI from scratch ;)

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Weeman Member since:
2006-03-20

Whether it will be the best or not, remains to be seen. Why they're not just using apt is because the package manager has to be fully SVR4 packaging compliant. At least that was the reason IIRC.

Reply Score: 1