Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 27th Oct 2007 01:02 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Hi-Mobile.net sent us in an unlocked iPhone for testing. We used the iPhone for almost a month now and it's time to write an editorial-type article on the... unlockiness of it all.
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yea
by WyldStylist on Sat 27th Oct 2007 01:47 UTC
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2006-12-30

Too bad opera mini isnt supporting iphone yet

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RE: yea
by Alex Forster on Sun 28th Oct 2007 03:22 UTC in reply to "yea "
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2005-08-12

Why?

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RE[2]: yea
by WyldStylist on Sun 28th Oct 2007 04:35 UTC in reply to "yea "
WyldStylist Member since:
2006-12-30

why only have safari? im sure other web-browsers could do pretty well on that phone in givin a try...

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didn't always could greek?
by eMPee584 on Sat 27th Oct 2007 02:25 UTC
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2007-01-29

i like that ;)
anyways, my w800 is slowly dying getting an iphone sure would be a cool thing.. but this openmoko thing sounds cool too, so i'll wait till i totally wreck my walkman phone i guess.. nice review though.. also the emphasis obviously is on the fact that apple can get it right the first time, while MS software is still barely usable after YEARS of customer exposure.. well and they both suck regarding interoperability and customization, so go openmoko, go!!

Edited 2007-10-27 02:29

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RE: didn't always could greek?
by Eugenia on Sat 27th Oct 2007 03:15 UTC in reply to "didn't always could greek?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

IMO, the OpenMoko thing is a joke and it won't be truly ready for at least 2 more years. It does not have the coherence that can derive by a single company working together and doing some real usability studies. I blogged about it in fact the other day:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/10/25/the-openmoko-joke/

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thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

Well, that's a bit rude to call it a joke. And you have some of your facts wrong.

There IS a company behind OpenMoko, and there are actual usability engineers being paid to work on it. It's still an unfinished product, but compared to most phones out there it's looking quite good already.

Too bad you didn't get to see the iPhone in development, before it was ready.

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RE[3]: didn't always could greek?
by Eugenia on Sat 27th Oct 2007 07:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: didn't always could greek?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I know that there is a company behind it, but the development of the software is an open affair. And usually these open affairs never create a platform that it's a joy to use. Too many people with different opinions under different bosses creates no coherence at the end. Personally, I would not wait or use the OpenMoko.

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RE[4]: didn't always could greek?
by butters on Sat 27th Oct 2007 22:09 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: didn't always could greek?"
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2005-07-08

There's no question that the cathedral produces a marketable product considerably faster than the bazaar. But slow and steady wins the race. The value of FOSS doesn't really ripen until the end game, where it becomes increasingly hard for anybody to deliver the next big thing. Then the usability gap closes, the big vendors tighten their grip, and the tangible benefits of freedom become all the more refreshing in comparison.

The PC is going to be around for a while yet, and the smartphone is still in its infancy. It has taken 10 years for FOSS to go from something that could be generously described as a "free software desktop" to a product like Ubuntu Gutsy that can be reasonably said to compete with Vista and Leopard. If it takes 2-3 years to produce a competitive free software smartphone, then the free software movement is certainly on to something.

After all, Microsoft's business model essentially boils down to "give us 2-3 years, and we can compete with anybody". The free software ecosystem has found a way to do the same, but without being an abusive monopolist fueled by entrenched cash cows. Give us 2-3 years, and we'll commoditize any mass market computer.

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RE[2]: didn't always could greek?
by eMPee584 on Sat 27th Oct 2007 12:37 UTC in reply to "RE: didn't always could greek?"
eMPee584 Member since:
2007-01-29

Well, for you (as for many other GNOME users) that might be correct, as you say:

To me, these interfaces are just arcane now.

But 1) building a pretty UI on top of a working and powerfull embedded platform is way easier than getting the base stuff working and
2) there are geeks like me who have no problem with whatever interface a device has, as long as it gives access to the FEATURES (and maybe is customizable) in there (heck, give me a shell on my phone and a tiny keyboard ;) ..
So openmoko might seem a joke to you now, but at the moment it is officially 'for geeks only' anyways..
I'm pretty sure though within a year there will be at least one openmoko device which makes GNOME users happy aswell. And has a standard headphone jack, too.

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RE[2]: didn't always could greek?
by segedunum on Sat 27th Oct 2007 13:32 UTC in reply to "RE: didn't always could greek?"
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2005-07-06

IMO, the OpenMoko thing is a joke and it won't be truly ready for at least 2 more years. It does not have the coherence that can derive by a single company working together and doing some real usability studies.

You know, some people are going to get slightly uncomfortable with that, but I have to agree with you. I would absolutely love to buy one of these phones, and I don't like Apple controlling what I install, but the software they're using will be out of commission for the foreseeable future. Your only bet to getting it to do anything today is to install Qtopia.

I blogged about it in fact the other day:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/10/25/the-openmoko-joke/


Nokia and Symbian appear to be going with big widgets, but it's about more than just usability (and being like the iPhone). Having a bigger screen and less keys allows them to basically put more on the phone elsewhere.

Microsoft have also been guilty of going down the same road with Windows Mobile, simply because they think that the Windows desktop and the start menu are so cool then they must work on a phone. They don't.

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RE[2]: didn't always could greek?
by netpython on Sat 27th Oct 2007 16:46 UTC in reply to "RE: didn't always could greek?"
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2005-07-06

Does the I-phone lets you take the red pill and installs *.debs?

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RE: didn't always could greek?
by google_ninja on Sat 27th Oct 2007 05:43 UTC in reply to "didn't always could greek?"
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2006-02-05

while MS software is still barely usable after YEARS of customer exposure.. well and they both suck regarding interoperability and customization, so go openmoko, go!!


Windows Mobile sucks? I have heard nothing but good things about it from people I know who use it. Same with blackberry. Its the treo that I find gets really mixed reviews...

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RE[2]: didn't always could greek?
by rayiner on Sat 27th Oct 2007 07:59 UTC in reply to "RE: didn't always could greek?"
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2005-07-06

Never used a Blackberry, but I tried to use my Dad's PocketPC/WM PDAs every once in awhile, but always ran screaming back to my Palm. Eventually, even he saw the light and got a Treo.

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RE[3]: didn't always could greek?
by helf on Sun 28th Oct 2007 23:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: didn't always could greek?"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

*hugs his treo 600*

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RE: didn't always could greek?
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 27th Oct 2007 17:50 UTC in reply to "didn't always could greek?"
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2005-07-06

apple can get it right the first time, while MS software is still barely usable after YEARS of customer exposure..


Let's be realistic. The iPhone and Windows Mobile devices are not aimed at the same market - nor would the iPhone be suitable for the majority of current Win Mobile users (and vice-versa). The iPhone lacks the utility of Win Mobile devices (or Blackberries, or Treos), making them unsuitable for business users. And Win Mobile devices lack the simplicity / attention-to-usability-detail of the iPhone, making them unsuitable for people who don't have a full-time IT department supporting them.

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OpenJoke-o?
by license_2_blather on Sat 27th Oct 2007 18:41 UTC in reply to "RE: didn't always could greek?"
license_2_blather Member since:
2006-02-05

I agree. The target audiences and motives of the companies behind the iPhone on one hand and WinMobile/Crackberry/Treo on the other are different, and probably always will be, so I don't see how their focus and thus overall implementation will change much.

So while OpenMoko may take years to become usable, and it may suffer from lack of a single, deep-pocketed benefactor and lack of focus, it is hard to dismiss because it seems to be the only thing out there that has the potential to be (almost) everything to (almost) everyone.

Heh...OpenMoko's interface can't be any worse then Verizon's. [And they're so arrogant about it that they replaced the standard WinMobile interface on the Moto Q with some monstrosity they cooked up - to appeal to the gen-Y crowd I guess.]

OT: $25 a quarter for a cell phone? Emergency use only? Zen-like discipline? Lost it a few months back? ;)

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you make me laugh
by jackeebleu on Sat 27th Oct 2007 03:19 UTC
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2006-01-26

yeah, dont pay homage to big evil ATT, but pay homage to Tmobile or Sprint? WTF? One corp is less evil than another corp? Add a toaster, easy bake oven, nail file, tri corder, phaser gun with 3 stun levels, and then then phone will be great, and oh yeah, make sure that it costs under $99. Life is good!!!

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RE: you make me laugh
by Eugenia on Sat 27th Oct 2007 03:22 UTC in reply to "you make me laugh"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I am sorry, but you need to get your facts straight. I don't pay homage to anyone. While I usually use a real AT&T account when testing (in order to get to access to unlimited internet and calls), for my own personal calls I use 'Pay As You Go'. I never spend more than $25 per quarter for my personal usage.

So no, I don't pay homage to anyone.

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RE: you make me laugh
by kaiwai on Sun 28th Oct 2007 16:42 UTC in reply to "you make me laugh"
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2005-07-06

yeah, dont pay homage to big evil ATT, but pay homage to Tmobile or Sprint? WTF? One corp is less evil than another corp? Add a toaster, easy bake oven, nail file, tri corder, phaser gun with 3 stun levels, and then then phone will be great, and oh yeah, make sure that it costs under $99. Life is good!!!


The fact that one is locked into a single telecoms company and forced into a limited range of plans - I'd call that homage at best, at worse, an ass raping with an 18inch black dildo with no lube.

As much as I love Apple's gear (got an iPod and MacBook), they've really dropped the ball with this one - the most stupid, this pathetic idea that 'only the US market matters' - hello? fastest growing region now is the Asia-Pacific region! dear god this is pathetic.

I wouldn't mind it if they offered a full priced, unlocked phone, and a locked phone at a discounted rate - Telecom NZ offer that right now with their CDMA handsets; pay full price or be on a plan for 24 months and pay a reduced amount for the phone.

I was down the road yesterday and had a look at the 'iPhone alternatives' - LG already has one out, more to come soon - if Apple don't pull finger soon they'll find their iPhone foray will be nothing more than oddity for two economies (Europe and US) that are limping along at snails pace.

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v RE[2]: you make me laugh
by losethos2 on Sun 28th Oct 2007 21:37 UTC in reply to "RE: you make me laugh"
Playlists suck.
by vondur on Sat 27th Oct 2007 04:38 UTC
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2005-07-07

I could not agree with you more on that fact. I don't know why Apple changed the way we manage our music on the iPhone vs. an iPod.

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One Month Review
by akeru on Sat 27th Oct 2007 05:28 UTC
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2007-06-24

In the Leopard review thread you stated that "You can't wait for a review for a month." I think this is a good example of why it's a great idea to wait a month to write any type of informative article or review about a product. You're able to find the minute details that you love or hate that you normally wouldn't see from less than a day of evaluation. I'm happy to see that you took the extra time to evaluate this unlocked iPhone before writing about it, and I believe it shows in your article.

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RE: One Month Review
by Eugenia on Sat 27th Oct 2007 05:35 UTC in reply to "One Month Review"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

The reason I waited for a month was simply because I waited to see if Hi-Mobile would provide a v1.1.1 firmware support, otherwise it would have been the usual 3-5 day review.

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Cleanly unlocked iPhone
by Mediv on Sat 27th Oct 2007 08:49 UTC
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2006-05-10

Hello,

I do not know about other countries, but in France, there are some laws that force telcos to unlock their phones after some times.

Typically, Orange will be able to sell the iPhone according to the latest news. But after 6 months (if I remember correctly) they must grant the possibility to unlock the phone.

I can't wait to see if that "official" unlock will also make the iPhone not upgradable, or wether it will be a "clean" unlock allowing the iPhone to be upgradable...

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RE: Cleanly unlocked iPhone
by Mediv on Sat 27th Oct 2007 14:22 UTC in reply to "Cleanly unlocked iPhone"
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2006-05-10

Clearly, sometimes, I do not understand the modding system. How can I be modded down for what I said ???????

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Disgusted by Apple
by porcel on Sat 27th Oct 2007 09:46 UTC
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2006-01-28

Apple now limits the sale of iPhones to people with credit cards to be able to track you, one assumes, in case your phone doesn't show up as those activated with AT&T

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/27/technology/27apple.html

As often as we decry the actions of other companies, Apple always gets a pass. Yes, Apple is within its rights to do this, although some consumer protection laws might come into play to prevent this type of abusive behavior as you are not obligated by law to carry a credit card in order to purchase something, but the legal questions are murky and secondary.

The real issue is one of control and abuse of power. Let it go. People bought your phone and it is their right to do with it as they please whether Apple likes it or not.

Edited 2007-10-27 09:56

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RE: Disgusted by Apple
by pxa270 on Sat 27th Oct 2007 11:48 UTC in reply to "Disgusted by Apple"
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2006-01-08

Apple is estimated to receive between $11 and $18 per month from AT&T. $18 over 24 months is $432 (plus the additional margin on the hardware), which is enormous, so they have a huge incentive to keep you bound to AT&T. And refusing to accept cash is not illegal, see http://www.treas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.shtml

The iPhone is unique in that it's subsidized by the network, but the subsidy goes to the phone manufacturer instead of to the consumer. That's why I won't buy one. But while I personally feel it's rather overpriced, I don't begrudge them their success. If they can get away with such high pricing, more power (and money) to them. Lots of people have bought it and feel it's worth the costs, so who are we to say otherwise.

There's plenty of competition in the cellphone market. It's totally up to Nokia, SE, Samsung, LG, HTC, Palm, etc. to come up with a compelling alternative that make people as happy to use as the iPhone. If they can, Apple will have to bring down prices, and we're all better off. If they can't, they have nobody but themselves to blame.

Edited 2007-10-27 11:50

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RE[2]: Disgusted by Apple
by sanctus on Sat 27th Oct 2007 14:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Disgusted by Apple"
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2005-08-31

There's plenty of competition in the cellphone market. It's totally up to Nokia, SE, Samsung, LG, HTC, Palm, etc. to come up with a compelling alternative that make people as happy to use as the iPhone. If they can, Apple will have to bring down prices, and we're all better off. If they can't, they have nobody but themselves to blame.



That's so true.

Their products just kept us in dark ages of cell phone interface. Nokia less than a month after apple show up their iphone, got to the press and said : look we have one. They probably have one for many months and just didn't want to go out with it. They need to follow an R&D versus profitability time ratio instead of giving user satisfaction and innovation.

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RE: Disgusted by Apple
by segedunum on Sat 27th Oct 2007 13:36 UTC in reply to "Disgusted by Apple"
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2005-07-06

Apple now limits the sale of iPhones to people with credit cards to be able to track you, one assumes, in case your phone doesn't show up as those activated with AT&T

Doesn't bother me. I'm not buying one - cracked or uncracked. I will choose what network I go to, and as phones get more powerful, the push to be able to make VoIP calls over Wifi and all the other things networks are terrified of will simply be too great. Of course, that will probably help Apple in the long-run because they have publicly stated in the past that they wished they didn't have to deal with networks. They want their own lock-in ;-).

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RE: Disgusted by Apple
by orfanum on Sat 27th Oct 2007 20:49 UTC in reply to "Disgusted by Apple"
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2006-06-02

I hope for my own sanity's sake I will soon get over this whinge but for the moment what you have identified is precisely why I now feel like a monumental sucker each and every time I see the word Apple.

I accepted the proffered Apple, took that bite, and boy, after chewing it over, do I feel I know who the demiurge is.

I have no real idea why this bothers me so much; it shouldn't, I know, and I have all the choice at my feet to go down a different OS path - but I thought this was going to be it - pure Buddhism after years of Windows Orthodoxy. And yet, actually go to Tibet and your soul won't be spiritually suffused with the soundtrack to the Brad Pitt film, but weighed down rather with the understanding that Tibetan Monks have one of the most meat-rich diets on the planet, the Fourth part of the Eightfold Path notwithstanding......(http://www.serv-online.org/Eileen-Weintraub.htm)

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RE: Disgusted by Apple
by elsewhere on Sat 27th Oct 2007 21:49 UTC in reply to "Disgusted by Apple"
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2005-07-13

Apple now limits the sale of iPhones to people with credit cards to be able to track you, one assumes, in case your phone doesn't show up as those activated with AT&T


Well, technically they're violating PCI requirements if they retain card information or link it with personally identifiable customer data. And I'm not sure that they can actually do anything if they were to track customers daring to exercise their right to use the hardware they purchased as they see fit, but I agree with you that it is a suspect move.

Fortunately, Visa/MC cash cards can work around that problem. ;)

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Impressive
by Ringheims Auto on Sat 27th Oct 2007 11:38 UTC
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2005-07-23

Wow...you managed to type all of that with the iPhone? I recently had a go with it. Would have managed with some sort of pen-device like other touchscreen phones have, but my fingers just was too big, at least in my initial test, to do any effective writing.

And why touch the thing you're viewing with? Looks slick now, but in time it will look dirty and scraped, specially from being in your pocked together with keys etc.

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RE: Impressive
by TBone0 on Sat 27th Oct 2007 14:46 UTC in reply to "Impressive"
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2006-12-26

Forget the screen which will obviously scratch over time just like many other phones. The lack of functionality like no 3G, GPS, java support, voicedial, video recording and so on are the reason why many, at least in Europe and South East Asia, view this phone as nothing more than average - despite it's slick interface.
Don't forget the battery which is built into it unlike standard phones where you can replace it without sending it to the manufacturer for replacement and the laughable headphone jack where you can't use decent headphones with unless you buy a convertor. This all on top of the ridiculous price.

I'm glad the review covered many of these, although I wouldn't have given it 8/10.

Edited 2007-10-27 14:47

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RE[2]: Impressive
by D3M0N on Sun 28th Oct 2007 06:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Impressive"
D3M0N Member since:
2005-07-09

Unlike other phones though, the screen is covered with glass. HUGE difference. This is a case where you should get your facts straight. Google "PC-World iPhone Stress Test". Most people will be amazed how durable the iPhone is. I dropped mine on the side walk on the display side and after my heart skipped a beat, I picked it up and there was a little tiny tiny scratch on the chrome outline. The screen was *pristine*.

As far as 3G, coming from Sprint with EVDO, EDGE is definitely slower but having WiFi is better than 3G anyways. Where I live, every 3 steps a new wireless network shows up. 3G at the launch of the iPhone also greatly cuts down on battery life, which is AWESOME on the iPhone. Sure, I'm rationalizing a feature that would have been nice to have but so far I haven't had a time where I really needed 3G. EDGE speeds are adequate, if I happen to (surprisingly) not have a WiFi network.

I don't know why people freak out the battery either as it's not the only device to do this, but that just might be me.

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RE[3]: Impressive
by TBone0 on Sun 28th Oct 2007 11:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Impressive"
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2006-12-26

Having a WiFi has absolutely nothing to do with 3G. EDGE is adequate? good luck making video calls with it. and just because it's one of a few devices with a built in hardwired battery doesn't make it right.

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RE[4]: Impressive
by D3M0N on Sun 28th Oct 2007 22:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Impressive"
D3M0N Member since:
2005-07-09

Video calls? The iPhone doesn't support that nor do pretty much any cell phone (in the US at least). Having WiFi does have to do with 3G. If I have WiFi around, I'm going to use it even over 3G - it's always going to be faster. EDGE is adequate for the features that the iPhone has, as well as the available WiFi - which like I said in my case is what is being used most of the time. And yes, before my iPhone I had Sprint w/ EV-DO and surprisingly don't really miss it too much.

Again... I don't have an issue with the battery being internal. To each their own. It's perfectly fine to me.

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good review
by hollovoid on Sat 27th Oct 2007 12:26 UTC
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2005-09-21

You brought up alot of points I hadent heard in other reviews of the iphone, good job!

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Thank you for review.
by TBPrince on Sat 27th Oct 2007 14:47 UTC
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2005-07-06

But I still say what I already told a few months ago: come back with a real 2007 phone and then we'll talk about it.

Look at this one:
"Speaking about the things that are missing and we would like to see in the future, are: cut/copy/paste support, a file picker/manager, a speed or voice dial option, UPnP, internet radio, iChat AV, a voice recorder, video recording, and... games! Regarding the hardware, a better headphone jack placement, removable battery, 16/32 GB storage, 640x360 16:9 4" touchscreen, true GPS, video-call camera, tri-band 3G, flashlight for the back camera, and maybe a move to a standard mini-USB connector -- an FM radio would be nice too. As for the upcoming SDK will hopefully bring native third party VoIP, media, and multi-IM applications."

LOL! You mean anything a serious phone has since 2004 ? Apart of h/w specifications, no copy/paste support? What a joke!

C'me on...

Edited 2007-10-27 14:49

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Just another trendy toy for the clueless
by ssa2204 on Sat 27th Oct 2007 17:13 UTC
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2006-04-22

Bill Maher sums up for exactly how I feel about the iPhone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlcygXYK_Y0

I would go further to suggest that people who spent upwards of $1000+ on Ebay just to get their hands on this, well what I want to see shouldn't be printed. In the end it is just another gadgety geek toy for nitwits to show off to impress people...sad. And I have no sympathy for the whiners that cried when Apple cut the price, they only have themselves to blame for being so f***king stupid. In the end no matter how many stupid little toys it has, it is still just a phone with PDA size screen.

Only phone that would impress my would be one that has Wifi and IAX2 compatible.

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netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

In addition Apple has taken further steps against the grey circuit of resellers/unlockers. You have to buy an iphone with a credit card.

Apple doesn't want to loose the percentage $18 from AT&T on every sold iphone. I donīt get it why people buy it.
Just like banana republic elections. You may vote how you see fit but thereis only one party to choose from. Pretty much totalitarian.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/27/technology/27apple.html
http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9803657-37.html

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butters Member since:
2005-07-08

All free market democracies devolve into banana republics over time. Or banana empires. The thing about humans is that if you put a whole bunch of them in a group, they lose a great deal of their ability to think for themselves.

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What saddens me the most
by RawMustard on Sun 28th Oct 2007 03:18 UTC
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2005-10-10

That soooo many people around the world are foolish enough to buy this freedom screwing device and also play by the devils rules, thereby hastening the loss of freedoms for the rest of us. That they will willingly take it up the backside with no lube without thought for the consequences in the future, to themselves and others. That's truly saddening.

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Nice
by D3M0N on Sun 28th Oct 2007 06:22 UTC
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2005-07-09

Good review Eugenia. I agree with you pretty much 100% on its pros and cons as an owner (who waited in line for ~12 hours) on the day it came out.

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some things...
by hobgoblin on Sun 28th Oct 2007 14:26 UTC
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2005-07-06

1. iirc the youtube videos are recoded into H264 (or was it 246? i allways get those numbers mixed) for use on the iphone. thats why, iirc, the videos available are a subset of the full youtube library.

2. last night i was attempting to read and post via opera mini 4 beta 3 on this page. first of, it seems that opera mini does a better job with the page in normal mode then in mobile mode (browser, not page, setting) as in the latter the text goes a letter or two past the scroll bar. and when i tried to post, and hit "submit comment" i just got a page saying i needed to enter a password and user name. as i was able to log onto a different page using said browser, im not sure its the browsers fault. same thing with the text stuff.

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