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Too bad opera mini isnt supporting iphone yet
why only have safari? im sure other web-browsers could do pretty well on that phone in givin a try...
i like that
anyways, my w800 is slowly dying getting an iphone sure would be a cool thing.. but this openmoko thing sounds cool too, so i'll wait till i totally wreck my walkman phone i guess.. nice review though.. also the emphasis obviously is on the fact that apple can get it right the first time, while MS software is still barely usable after YEARS of customer exposure.. well and they both suck regarding interoperability and customization, so go openmoko, go!! Edited 2007-10-27 02:29
IMO, the OpenMoko thing is a joke and it won't be truly ready for at least 2 more years. It does not have the coherence that can derive by a single company working together and doing some real usability studies. I blogged about it in fact the other day:
Well, that's a bit rude to call it a joke. And you have some of your facts wrong.
There IS a company behind OpenMoko, and there are actual usability engineers being paid to work on it. It's still an unfinished product, but compared to most phones out there it's looking quite good already.
Too bad you didn't get to see the iPhone in development, before it was ready.
I know that there is a company behind it, but the development of the software is an open affair. And usually these open affairs never create a platform that it's a joy to use. Too many people with different opinions under different bosses creates no coherence at the end. Personally, I would not wait or use the OpenMoko.
There's no question that the cathedral produces a marketable product considerably faster than the bazaar. But slow and steady wins the race. The value of FOSS doesn't really ripen until the end game, where it becomes increasingly hard for anybody to deliver the next big thing. Then the usability gap closes, the big vendors tighten their grip, and the tangible benefits of freedom become all the more refreshing in comparison.
The PC is going to be around for a while yet, and the smartphone is still in its infancy. It has taken 10 years for FOSS to go from something that could be generously described as a "free software desktop" to a product like Ubuntu Gutsy that can be reasonably said to compete with Vista and Leopard. If it takes 2-3 years to produce a competitive free software smartphone, then the free software movement is certainly on to something.
After all, Microsoft's business model essentially boils down to "give us 2-3 years, and we can compete with anybody". The free software ecosystem has found a way to do the same, but without being an abusive monopolist fueled by entrenched cash cows. Give us 2-3 years, and we'll commoditize any mass market computer.
Well, for you (as for many other GNOME users) that might be correct, as you say:
IMO, the OpenMoko thing is a joke and it won't be truly ready for at least 2 more years. It does not have the coherence that can derive by a single company working together and doing some real usability studies.
You know, some people are going to get slightly uncomfortable with that, but I have to agree with you. I would absolutely love to buy one of these phones, and I don't like Apple controlling what I install, but the software they're using will be out of commission for the foreseeable future. Your only bet to getting it to do anything today is to install Qtopia.
I blogged about it in fact the other day:
Nokia and Symbian appear to be going with big widgets, but it's about more than just usability (and being like the iPhone). Having a bigger screen and less keys allows them to basically put more on the phone elsewhere.
Microsoft have also been guilty of going down the same road with Windows Mobile, simply because they think that the Windows desktop and the start menu are so cool then they must work on a phone. They don't.
Does the I-phone lets you take the red pill and installs *.debs?
Never used a Blackberry, but I tried to use my Dad's PocketPC/WM PDAs every once in awhile, but always ran screaming back to my Palm. Eventually, even he saw the light and got a Treo.
*hugs his treo 600*
I agree. The target audiences and motives of the companies behind the iPhone on one hand and WinMobile/Crackberry/Treo on the other are different, and probably always will be, so I don't see how their focus and thus overall implementation will change much.
So while OpenMoko may take years to become usable, and it may suffer from lack of a single, deep-pocketed benefactor and lack of focus, it is hard to dismiss because it seems to be the only thing out there that has the potential to be (almost) everything to (almost) everyone.
Heh...OpenMoko's interface can't be any worse then Verizon's. [And they're so arrogant about it that they replaced the standard WinMobile interface on the Moto Q with some monstrosity they cooked up - to appeal to the gen-Y crowd I guess.]
OT: $25 a quarter for a cell phone? Emergency use only? Zen-like discipline? Lost it a few months back?
yeah, dont pay homage to big evil ATT, but pay homage to Tmobile or Sprint? WTF? One corp is less evil than another corp? Add a toaster, easy bake oven, nail file, tri corder, phaser gun with 3 stun levels, and then then phone will be great, and oh yeah, make sure that it costs under $99. Life is good!!!
I am sorry, but you need to get your facts straight. I don't pay homage to anyone. While I usually use a real AT&T account when testing (in order to get to access to unlimited internet and calls), for my own personal calls I use 'Pay As You Go'. I never spend more than $25 per quarter for my personal usage.
So no, I don't pay homage to anyone.
Greed will make your life hell. I admire companies that have the sense to stick to the American market. I like ASCII, for example, and don't want my code full of stinky foreign characters.
Same as Linux wanting to have the desktop market. It will dumb-it down and clutter it to the point it's not fun. Edited 2007-10-28 21:46
I could not agree with you more on that fact. I don't know why Apple changed the way we manage our music on the iPhone vs. an iPod.
In the Leopard review thread you stated that "You can't wait for a review for a month." I think this is a good example of why it's a great idea to wait a month to write any type of informative article or review about a product. You're able to find the minute details that you love or hate that you normally wouldn't see from less than a day of evaluation. I'm happy to see that you took the extra time to evaluate this unlocked iPhone before writing about it, and I believe it shows in your article.
The reason I waited for a month was simply because I waited to see if Hi-Mobile would provide a v1.1.1 firmware support, otherwise it would have been the usual 3-5 day review.
I do not know about other countries, but in France, there are some laws that force telcos to unlock their phones after some times.
Typically, Orange will be able to sell the iPhone according to the latest news. But after 6 months (if I remember correctly) they must grant the possibility to unlock the phone.
I can't wait to see if that "official" unlock will also make the iPhone not upgradable, or wether it will be a "clean" unlock allowing the iPhone to be upgradable...
Clearly, sometimes, I do not understand the modding system. How can I be modded down for what I said ???????
Apple now limits the sale of iPhones to people with credit cards to be able to track you, one assumes, in case your phone doesn't show up as those activated with AT&T
As often as we decry the actions of other companies, Apple always gets a pass. Yes, Apple is within its rights to do this, although some consumer protection laws might come into play to prevent this type of abusive behavior as you are not obligated by law to carry a credit card in order to purchase something, but the legal questions are murky and secondary.
The real issue is one of control and abuse of power. Let it go. People bought your phone and it is their right to do with it as they please whether Apple likes it or not. Edited 2007-10-27 09:56
Apple is estimated to receive between $11 and $18 per month from AT&T. $18 over 24 months is $432 (plus the additional margin on the hardware), which is enormous, so they have a huge incentive to keep you bound to AT&T. And refusing to accept cash is not illegal, see http://www.treas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.shtml
The iPhone is unique in that it's subsidized by the network, but the subsidy goes to the phone manufacturer instead of to the consumer. That's why I won't buy one. But while I personally feel it's rather overpriced, I don't begrudge them their success. If they can get away with such high pricing, more power (and money) to them. Lots of people have bought it and feel it's worth the costs, so who are we to say otherwise.
There's plenty of competition in the cellphone market. It's totally up to Nokia, SE, Samsung, LG, HTC, Palm, etc. to come up with a compelling alternative that make people as happy to use as the iPhone. If they can, Apple will have to bring down prices, and we're all better off. If they can't, they have nobody but themselves to blame. Edited 2007-10-27 11:50
Apple now limits the sale of iPhones to people with credit cards to be able to track you, one assumes, in case your phone doesn't show up as those activated with AT&T
Doesn't bother me. I'm not buying one - cracked or uncracked. I will choose what network I go to, and as phones get more powerful, the push to be able to make VoIP calls over Wifi and all the other things networks are terrified of will simply be too great. Of course, that will probably help Apple in the long-run because they have publicly stated in the past that they wished they didn't have to deal with networks. They want their own lock-in ;-).
I hope for my own sanity's sake I will soon get over this whinge but for the moment what you have identified is precisely why I now feel like a monumental sucker each and every time I see the word Apple.
I accepted the proffered Apple, took that bite, and boy, after chewing it over, do I feel I know who the demiurge is.
I have no real idea why this bothers me so much; it shouldn't, I know, and I have all the choice at my feet to go down a different OS path - but I thought this was going to be it - pure Buddhism after years of Windows Orthodoxy. And yet, actually go to Tibet and your soul won't be spiritually suffused with the soundtrack to the Brad Pitt film, but weighed down rather with the understanding that Tibetan Monks have one of the most meat-rich diets on the planet, the Fourth part of the Eightfold Path notwithstanding......(http://www.serv-online.org/Eileen-Weintraub.htm)
Wow...you managed to type all of that with the iPhone? I recently had a go with it. Would have managed with some sort of pen-device like other touchscreen phones have, but my fingers just was too big, at least in my initial test, to do any effective writing.
And why touch the thing you're viewing with? Looks slick now, but in time it will look dirty and scraped, specially from being in your pocked together with keys etc.
Forget the screen which will obviously scratch over time just like many other phones. The lack of functionality like no 3G, GPS, java support, voicedial, video recording and so on are the reason why many, at least in Europe and South East Asia, view this phone as nothing more than average - despite it's slick interface.
Don't forget the battery which is built into it unlike standard phones where you can replace it without sending it to the manufacturer for replacement and the laughable headphone jack where you can't use decent headphones with unless you buy a convertor. This all on top of the ridiculous price.
I'm glad the review covered many of these, although I wouldn't have given it 8/10. Edited 2007-10-27 14:47
Unlike other phones though, the screen is covered with glass. HUGE difference. This is a case where you should get your facts straight. Google "PC-World iPhone Stress Test". Most people will be amazed how durable the iPhone is. I dropped mine on the side walk on the display side and after my heart skipped a beat, I picked it up and there was a little tiny tiny scratch on the chrome outline. The screen was *pristine*.
As far as 3G, coming from Sprint with EVDO, EDGE is definitely slower but having WiFi is better than 3G anyways. Where I live, every 3 steps a new wireless network shows up. 3G at the launch of the iPhone also greatly cuts down on battery life, which is AWESOME on the iPhone. Sure, I'm rationalizing a feature that would have been nice to have but so far I haven't had a time where I really needed 3G. EDGE speeds are adequate, if I happen to (surprisingly) not have a WiFi network.
I don't know why people freak out the battery either as it's not the only device to do this, but that just might be me.
Having a WiFi has absolutely nothing to do with 3G. EDGE is adequate? good luck making video calls with it. and just because it's one of a few devices with a built in hardwired battery doesn't make it right.
Video calls? The iPhone doesn't support that nor do pretty much any cell phone (in the US at least). Having WiFi does have to do with 3G. If I have WiFi around, I'm going to use it even over 3G - it's always going to be faster. EDGE is adequate for the features that the iPhone has, as well as the available WiFi - which like I said in my case is what is being used most of the time. And yes, before my iPhone I had Sprint w/ EV-DO and surprisingly don't really miss it too much.
Again... I don't have an issue with the battery being internal. To each their own. It's perfectly fine to me.
You brought up alot of points I hadent heard in other reviews of the iphone, good job!
But I still say what I already told a few months ago: come back with a real 2007 phone and then we'll talk about it.
Look at this one:
"Speaking about the things that are missing and we would like to see in the future, are: cut/copy/paste support, a file picker/manager, a speed or voice dial option, UPnP, internet radio, iChat AV, a voice recorder, video recording, and... games! Regarding the hardware, a better headphone jack placement, removable battery, 16/32 GB storage, 640x360 16:9 4" touchscreen, true GPS, video-call camera, tri-band 3G, flashlight for the back camera, and maybe a move to a standard mini-USB connector -- an FM radio would be nice too. As for the upcoming SDK will hopefully bring native third party VoIP, media, and multi-IM applications."
LOL! You mean anything a serious phone has since 2004 ? Apart of h/w specifications, no copy/paste support? What a joke!
C'me on... Edited 2007-10-27 14:49
Bill Maher sums up for exactly how I feel about the iPhone:
I would go further to suggest that people who spent upwards of $1000+ on Ebay just to get their hands on this, well what I want to see shouldn't be printed. In the end it is just another gadgety geek toy for nitwits to show off to impress people...sad. And I have no sympathy for the whiners that cried when Apple cut the price, they only have themselves to blame for being so f***king stupid. In the end no matter how many stupid little toys it has, it is still just a phone with PDA size screen.
Only phone that would impress my would be one that has Wifi and IAX2 compatible.
In addition Apple has taken further steps against the grey circuit of resellers/unlockers. You have to buy an iphone with a credit card.
Apple doesn't want to loose the percentage $18 from AT&T on every sold iphone. I donīt get it why people buy it.
Just like banana republic elections. You may vote how you see fit but thereis only one party to choose from. Pretty much totalitarian.
All free market democracies devolve into banana republics over time. Or banana empires. The thing about humans is that if you put a whole bunch of them in a group, they lose a great deal of their ability to think for themselves.
That soooo many people around the world are foolish enough to buy this freedom screwing device and also play by the devils rules, thereby hastening the loss of freedoms for the rest of us. That they will willingly take it up the backside with no lube without thought for the consequences in the future, to themselves and others. That's truly saddening.
Good review Eugenia. I agree with you pretty much 100% on its pros and cons as an owner (who waited in line for ~12 hours) on the day it came out.
1. iirc the youtube videos are recoded into H264 (or was it 246? i allways get those numbers mixed) for use on the iphone. thats why, iirc, the videos available are a subset of the full youtube library.
2. last night i was attempting to read and post via opera mini 4 beta 3 on this page. first of, it seems that opera mini does a better job with the page in normal mode then in mobile mode (browser, not page, setting) as in the latter the text goes a letter or two past the scroll bar. and when i tried to post, and hit "submit comment" i just got a page saying i needed to enter a password and user name. as i was able to log onto a different page using said browser, im not sure its the browsers fault. same thing with the text stuff.