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Eugenia like most of us probably goes there for most updates and forgot to link to the actual site...

...and a .11 release. I wonder where Leopard will finish up?

Since I do the news item. Thom uses other sources, but Thom sleeps right now. We aren't all one and the same.

Edited 2007-11-15 01:19

You allow your editors to sleep? He should be on call 24/7!

>>I wish the updates for Panther included Safari 3.

Doubt that will ever happen, but doesn't OMNIweb use webkit? But looks like the latest build requires 10.4.8 so you're still out of luck... There were a lot of changes from 10.3 to 10.4 if I recall correctly so it would probably take about the same work to get 10.3 surfing Safari3 as it did Windows... I don't think Apple is going to put in the effort on that when you can upgrade.

EDIT: version numbers...

Edited 2007-11-15 02:24

Not willing to upgrade?

I've got a G5 powermac running panther and I've been very leery of upgrading to newer versions of OSX. It's not because I haven't been intrigued by the new features or that I'm put off by the sticker price; it's purely because I currently have a fully functional OS. The thought of an upgrade gone bad is enough to keep me up at night.

I'm a network admin from the 'if it ain't broke' school of thinking. I really would like to upgrade but I'd need to buy multiple large hard drives first in order to back up my existing data. Then just to be safe, create a disk image of my current set up. Then I might consider taking the plunge. Paranoid to be sure, but I've been burned by less.

By the way, because I haven't seen it addressed anywhere, is upgrading from panther to leopard supported? I imagine it is, but all the upgrade stories I've read involve tiger to leopard, nothing from older versions. Leopard is really tempting, but I wouldn't want to trouble shoot that mess if something went wrong (don't know OSX at that low a level).

Any tips?

"I'm a network admin from the 'if it ain't broke' school of thinking. I really would like to upgrade ...
... is upgrading from panther to leopard supported?"
MechaShiva

First, don't "upgrade", every Admin should know this, whether you're are doing this for a user or for your server, import it back, if need be.
The remnants of an upgrade will bite you sooner or later.
- Look at Windows and the whole upgrade mentality (sorry guys, it's true). It breaks things.

Clean installs save time, doesn't seem so at the time, but it will.

You'll feel better.

Oh, and that G5, you'll be blown away - just with a clean install (of whatever you choose) - the speed improvements alone will convince you you'll have done the prudent thing.

G5:

http://www.apple.com/support/powermac/

10.5:

http://www.macosxhints.com/index.php?topic=system105

General Troubleshooting:

http://forums.osxfaq.com/viewtopic.php?t=7269

hylas

Thanks for the links. I should have stated I meant the archive and install method specifically and how it would import applications, their profiles and what not. In place upgrades are not reliable enough to consider viable.

I've been eager for the performance enhancements made to newer versions of the OS. Spawning a thread on panther can be downright painful. Apps are responsive once you get 'em going, but the load times are pretty painful for me right now.

The only system I feel even remotely comfortable doing a direct version 'upgrade' with is debian. Otherwise, you're absolutely right: a fresh install is the only way to go. It is precisely windows upgrades that have scared me straight.

Thanks again.

No one who knows better upgrades. They just buy the upgrade because it's cheaper then use the workarounds to get it to install.

There's a fear of upgrading mentality, and a "I'll just deal with the pain of reinstalling" mentality.

Would Leopard run well on a mac mini G4 1.4Ghz with 1GB RAM machine?

I dont see why it shouldn't ...

I'm running a hacked osx leopard server on a 450mhz cube with stock 16mb ati card / 300GB hdisk and 1.5GB of SDR

Leopard should install on anything 868mhz and above (800mhz for server) and I've found leopard server to be faster than tiger server as a whole on my arcane setup.

Only problem I have is the hitech driver for leopard hasnt been released yet... this driver allows very old macs such as the cube and MDD etc G4s to see above the 128GB partition but your mac mini shouldn't be effected. If the transparency is too much for you (or in my case too slow) you can simply turn it off... but in general I've heard fantastic results with 800mhz+ and above.

The Ars Technica review was done on three different Macs, the oldest one was a 1Ghz powerbook. Unfortunately the author didn't go into performance details on that machine other than saying that "The good news, I suppose, is that Leopard certainly isn't hamstrung on PowerPC Macs."

I dunno what exactly that was supposed to mean, but I certainly hope that if Leopard was frustratingly slow on the powerbook that it would have been in the review.


Thanks Nossie, that's making me feel a bit better about my own upgrade decision. (slowest G4 Mini with Tiger) It's not making me feel good about my extra-slow posting speed though. B^)

Edited 2007-11-15 13:28

I installed Leopard on my G4 Powerbook ( 512 Ram 1ghz). It works fine. So you shouldn't have a problem. Given your spec is slightly higher, you should be fine. Well worth the upgrade IMHO.

Right, I'll file this under "OSNews is biased towards $A, and they hate $B". Replace $A with whatever you hate to see, and $B with whatever you'd like to see more.

Just take a look at the OSNews front page. This is the *sole* Mac article. Theres articles about C++ porting, Fedora, Gnome, IE, Haiku, etc. It's a broad range of articles. If you look at the past 7 days announcements, you'll see that there aren't many Mac related news bits too. In fact, Linux features a lot more prominently. 4 for OS X (5 if you count Darwin), and 10 for Linux.

Seriously, cut the guys at OSNews some slack for not posting news to your project?

Apple has released a whole lot more Leopard beta builds than we reported on. Of course, you could test that out yourself, but hey, why let the facts get in the way?



We have a very simple policy on OSNews: we only report on the largest distributions, and every now and then, on the special ones. We have reported on T2 in the past, and we will in the future. It's just that right now, I chose not to - waar gehakt wordt, vallen spaanders. We are not LinuxNews, get over it already. DistroWatch is better at that anyway.

Oh, and behaviour like this really doesn't help the T2 project in any way with getting its name on OSNews.

Man, if you're so mad about the lack of T2 stories on OSNews, write one yourself, that's the best way to get your message out there. Trying to take over a thread that has nothing to do with T2 is just annoying.

If you have Front Row on your Tiger non-infra-red machine you hacked it in with the enabler or through pacifist, it's not installed by default. Can't blame Apple for breaking something that's not supposed to be there.

Edit: BTW Front Row looks much nicer in Leopard

Edited 2007-11-15 17:04 UTC

"The only problem I had was CheckPoint's VPN-1 client."

Try:

Shimo

http://www.nexumoja.org/projects/Shimo/


"Where's my coffee?"

Behind you on that stack of books,

hylas

you might have problems with idvd...

you could also check out what has been said about running leopard on modified G4 cubes... with the added extra cpu's ranging from dual 500s to single/dual 1.4s etc you should probably be able to figure out how well it would run for you.

http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showforum=58

In general though from what I've heard Leopard runs faster than tiger on any G4/G5/intel once you have it installed.. You may have to turn off some transparency for better results.

I have leopard installed on my 450mhz cube and it runs no slower than tiger, I can get time machine to run but would prefer to use another drive to do so and don't have that -- privilege

That's ok. I've got a new Mac that I will be creating/editing any movies or DVDs on.

Thanks for the link to the site talking about running it on Cubes.