Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 19th Nov 2007 08:03 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Fedora Core The Fedora Project builds a world-class Linux operating system, consisting of entirely free (meaning both zero-cost and full source code available) software, that is used by companies, organizations and individuals worldwide, says Cio.com.
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Wonderful
by roger64 on Mon 19th Nov 2007 08:22 UTC
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I like these kind of informative articles. 100% free ...publicity. I thought Fedora was so good it did not need such blatant advertisements..

Edited 2007-11-19 08:23

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RE: Wonderful
by anyweb on Mon 19th Nov 2007 08:31 UTC in reply to "Wonderful"
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2005-07-06

so when Steve Jobs talks about Leopard it's an ad ? When Mark Shuttleworth talks about Gusty Gibbon it's an ad ?

if project leaders are not allowed to talk about the features of their OS then who is ?

cheers
anyweb

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v RE: Wonderful
by somebody on Mon 19th Nov 2007 09:49 UTC in reply to "Wonderful"
RE[2]: Wonderful
by Rahul on Mon 19th Nov 2007 11:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Wonderful"
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2005-07-06

I am not sure who you are ranting at. The article author or the first commenter here.

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RE[3]: Wonderful
by anyweb on Mon 19th Nov 2007 13:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wonderful"
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2005-07-06

the first commentator of course,

he said "I thought Fedora was so good it did not need such blatant advertisements.. " hence my reply.

cheers
anyweb

Edited 2007-11-19 13:50

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RE: Wonderful
by Xaero_Vincent on Mon 19th Nov 2007 11:25 UTC in reply to "Wonderful"
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2006-08-18

Fedora 8 is fine. I'm gonna put it onto my laptop tommorow. The default setup is aesthetically displeasing (theme is ugly), however.

I suppose its ideal that the development team work on integrating new features and stability, rather than waste time polishing the look.

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RE[2]: Wonderful
by buff on Mon 19th Nov 2007 13:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Wonderful"
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2005-11-12

Fedora 8 is fine. I'm gonna put it onto my laptop tommorow. The default setup is aesthetically displeasing (theme is ugly)

It is pretty fine. I have been enjoying it since the second test release. Pulseaudio is very cool. I do have a problem getting my microphone to work under pulseaudio. I am running Fedora 8 with XFCE and a modified version of the Clearlooks theme I hacked together. I have a screenshot showing Mozilla Prism browser also running to show how you can get desktop integration with web applications.
http://markbokil.org/images/fedora8.png

Edited 2007-11-19 13:19

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Fedora 8
by SlackerJack on Mon 19th Nov 2007 09:41 UTC
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It's very good indeed, it's just a shame that website is horrid when reading it, really dont have time for websites like that.

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Works on Mac Book Pro?
by djst on Mon 19th Nov 2007 11:45 UTC
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Has anyone had experience installing Fedora 8 on a Mac Book Pro (Intel)? I'd like to try it, but would be nice to know if it works before attempting.

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RE: Works on Mac Book Pro?
by eelco on Mon 19th Nov 2007 12:16 UTC in reply to "Works on Mac Book Pro?"
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2005-07-06

I don't know about the Pro, but it works almost fine on a regular intel MacBook. I had one problem getting the wireless up and running using madwifi, so i had to fall back to a usb wifi dongle, but i would expect that to be solved soon, if not already.

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RE[2]: Works on Mac Book Pro?
by thebluesgnr on Mon 19th Nov 2007 22:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Works on Mac Book Pro?"
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2005-11-14

Check http://mricon.livejournal.com/386456.html

You need to put a line in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file to get NetworkManager to work with madwifi.

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RE: Works on Mac Book Pro?
by Rahul on Mon 19th Nov 2007 12:26 UTC in reply to "Works on Mac Book Pro?"
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Three other lead guys from each of the distributions -- Shuttleworth for Ubuntu, Roger Levy for Novell SUSE, and Brian Stevens for Red Hat Enterprise -- also get to have their say.

The main article is "Making the Case for Linux Distros in the Business" at http://www.cio.com/article/155701

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fedora installation woes
by karl on Mon 19th Nov 2007 13:55 UTC
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I finally got around to trying fedora again recently. I downloaded the fedora 8 GNOME livecd and tried to install it. Unfortunately I must have had really, really bad luck-fedora 8 failed to install properly on 3 different machines-the third attempt did result in something vaguely usable but ended up not being properly configured. First I ran into BIOS problems- only one of my machines was capable of seemlessly installing to any partition beyond the 32Gb barrier(the release notes mention passing a bootloader option to solve this problem-yet this option is not supported on the GNOME livecd).

Of the 2 machines on which this failed one is only 14 months old-asus premium A8N-SLI, the other being an older Dell Dimension 8100. The machine on which it did install is a HP pavillion slimline. Yet upon trying to install fedora 8 on the slimline the installer incorrectly used the intel graphics driver which failed to initialize my LCD, forcing me to intervene and change the driver to i810. This resulted in a botched installtion-only later did I find out that fedora 8 had failed to correctly get sound working..

I haven't given up completely yet- at some point I will try and get sound working on the slimline, yet I must say this was my most abysmal experience installing linux that I have had in many, many years. It should be noted that I have installed Ubuntu seemlessly on all of these machines with no such issues. Moreoever I have Gentoo running on all of these machines without problems.

Unfortunately it appears to me that fedora is at least one year behind Ubuntu when it comes to initial installation and configuration-which saddens me because fedora is doing so much cutting-edge work in regards to pulseaudio, selinux etc. To date I have only encountered 2 machines where I had difficulties installing Ubuntu(I have installed it on something like 80 machines in the past 3 years). And none of my machines are particularly problematic-they were purchased with linux compatibility first and foremost and built with hand picked hardware for linux. It is a shame when the great work the fedora devs are doing are overclouded by inane installation problems....

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RE: fedora installation woes
by Morgan on Mon 19th Nov 2007 14:25 UTC in reply to "fedora installation woes"
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2005-06-29

My only problems with Fedora have always been related to the ISO. I'm not sure if it's getting corrupted in the download, though the MD5/SHA always checks out. Perhaps it is in the burning stage, though one would think that over two years and several different brands of burners and discs I'd be able to get one decent Fedora CD or DVD burnt. No, even this latest release resulted in a DVD with errors. I tried installing anyway and I got seek errors in the GIMP packages; skipping ahead locked up the drive.

Perhaps it's time I shelled out some cash and bought a boxed copy just to try it out on my system. I've heard so many wonderful things about Fedora and I really want to give it a go.

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RE[2]: fedora installation woes
by karl1 on Mon 19th Nov 2007 18:52 UTC in reply to "RE: fedora installation woes"
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2005-06-29

You can always mount the dvd iso over loopback and then NFS export the mounted iso. Then you simply start the install with:

linux askmethod

and you point it at your NFS share when asked.

If you need more detailed help and command lines and are serious about doing a network install, let me know and I'll help you out.

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RE[2]: fedora installation woes
by justin.68 on Mon 19th Nov 2007 20:45 UTC in reply to "RE: fedora installation woes"
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2006-09-16

Funny... I experienced the same problems several times with Suse betas and final (10.2 and 10.3) releases and then with Frugalware...

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RE: fedora installation woes
by trooper9 on Tue 20th Nov 2007 15:50 UTC in reply to "fedora installation woes"
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2007-04-27

I had quite a few problems with Fedora 8 myself. First, I had trouble getting the .iso for the DVD to burn properly; once I got that done the install wouldn't complete. I had better luck with the Live CD. But while it would burn fine, once it installed the system was very sluggish and I had a few random lock-ups.

The icedtea version of java seemed to work ok until I installed OpenOffice.org (via yum). After that, geko crashed on close every time. Odd. I'm pretty sure the two are related somehow as geko never crashed until after OOo was put on the system -- there were one or two icedtea deps installed with OOo if I remember correctly.

Not happy with this release of Fedora. I'll try it again in six months or so.

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Fedora 8 is good
by whittmadden on Mon 19th Nov 2007 14:40 UTC
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Ever since FC3 I stayed away from Fedora for a lot of different reasons. I had a lot of issues with the repos, and yum. I'm not sure what prompted me to try FC8, but I am glad that I did. Although it's not as easy to set up after the initial install, such as Ubuntu, I think that they have made a lot of improvements with this release. I've heard reports that yum is faster now, and indeed it is. Following Fedora Faq made setting up the extras very easy, and I plan on sticking with this one for the time being.

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Fedora 8
by bulio on Mon 19th Nov 2007 15:49 UTC
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2007-04-17

I burned a DVD of Fedora 8 to give it a try on my Inspiron 1520 Laptop. After using it for about a week, I switched back to Gutsy Gibbon. Although my wireless card worked fine, the network manager would frequently crash, requiring a reboot to bring it back. AWN also crashed frequently, and many widgets didn't work (although this is probably irrelevant to Fedora)

The install process is really smooth, and I didn't have any problems with RPMs, but I just didn't find it as stable as Gutsy Gibbon, which I returned to using.

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no way
by gsmd on Mon 19th Nov 2007 18:20 UTC
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If only Ubuntu wasn't around...

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RE: no way
by dwave on Mon 19th Nov 2007 19:09 UTC in reply to "no way"
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2006-09-19

The target group is a bit different. In a way Ubuntu is to Debian what Fedora is to Red Hat. With the difference that Fedora is clearly a bleeding edge distribution whereas Canonical tries to present Ubuntu as being stable (when it is testing at best).
I run both and both of them are fun. But in the end a always come back to Debian.

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install woes
by uproot on Mon 19th Nov 2007 19:14 UTC
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2006-10-05

Not trying to copout but if you have 3 machines not even close to working its gotta be a dvd issue. Thats just way too rare.

Years ago around the RedHat 8-9 days and into the early fedoras i had issues with cd corruption. when i burned something with cdrecord on linux the dvd's worked, when i used nero or something there was always some misc messed up package. I'm not sure of this but if i remember right it was cause i never checkmarked "finalize cd" I think it writes some buffer or something at the end of the iso not sure. anyway I figured they fixed that issue cause it never happened to me in years (maybe my new machines or new cd burners?)

As for Fedora 8 this is my first fedora since 2 and im absoultly blown away. It installed on my laptop configuring my new wireless, audio, netcard, resolution,usb mouse without even config questions. the theme is okay, defaults are sain.

The closest i can come to a complaint is when i first tried to update it said missing dependencies. some package wasn't updated on one of the yum mirrors intime but when i tried again it selected a new mirror and it grabbed my file. Only other issue is sound didn't work as regular user only root until a reboot then sound was back in my user. From reading this might have been due to me turning off or restarting a service that pulse wanted to stay happy.

LOVING compwiz, hibernate and suspend work well. I tried Ubuntu a month or so ago and it was running but i couldn't get the internet so i reinstaled windows then when fedora came out here i am and it looks like I'm keeping linux on my laptop.

Fedora community has TONS of information, every question i've had was in an FAQ somewhere. only problem was bookmarking the 2-3 FAQ's. Id like to see all this stuff in one place. Fedora forums was very helpful.

All around im very happy with this and sorry to the people who can't get it working.

Edited 2007-11-19 19:18

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nice instal
by STTS on Mon 19th Nov 2007 23:03 UTC
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2005-07-06

Just install F8 on my AMD 2500+ 1Gb RAM, only good expression. Faster install, less boot time, cool theme, all as expected. GNOME desktop looks a bit faster (may be placebo, but my ATI 9800 is really faster in games then F7 ). Great news for me eclipse-cdt included in main DVD spin, no need for extra traffic. I hope Red Hat will put mysql-devel, yasm, inkscape in Fedora 9 main DVD spin.

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Already in stalled it...
by Arkansas_Rebel on Tue 20th Nov 2007 00:22 UTC
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2007-11-03

I have never had any problems with corrupted downloads from what I understand the CD burner settings are set to high or they have defective disk which is not uncommon.

I downloaded the live version this time and installed to disk with a custom install. I always have separate partitions/logical for /boot, /, /home, /usr, swap, /var and /opt sometimes depending on what I am setting up. Learning and becoming familiar with the distro helps considerably, a lot of the problems can be resolved from reading up on configurations before the install. One of the nicest features is logical volume management being able to re-size or extend a volume online is pretty nice. Plus, using ACL file permissions, turn on SELinux and the firewall.

I am still in the works of setting up my website with howtos and mapping out all of the multi-media setup for (home users). It is amazing how Fedora Core advances in features and functionality with each release. I just got my RHCT in RHEL5.1 and will be taking the RHCE in March 2008 however my workplace bought me a license for RHEL5.1 server it was around $350 so I can have my test box and dev station at work.

After I get through with my RHCE I will run Fedora on my laptop/workstations all the time. At home I use Fedora Core 8 and it is one word awesome!

Since I have spent a lot of time on studying a lot of the configuration problems I had in the past are easy to over-come from training and work.

The nice thing about Fedora is configuration is very easy once you have the system loaded you can add/remove any system components you need to and I no longer install KDE desktop manager. Enough rambling on, the key concepts is figuring out how you want to partition out your box, always leave some free space so you can fdisk the space maybe create a raid array (software) or another logical partition separately so you can store stuff and you can leave it when you do another clean install. Just make a directory and edit /etc/fstab and mount it up. The power of the CLI never ceases to impress me, one last note don't forget to edit your ifcfg-eth0 with autoneg off speed 100 duplex full...

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RE: Already in stalled it...
by anyweb on Tue 20th Nov 2007 07:43 UTC in reply to "Already in stalled it..."
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2005-07-06

"After I get through with my RHCE I will run Fedora on my laptop/workstations all the time. At home I use Fedora Core 8 and it is one word awesome!"

just a small note: Fedora is not Fedora Core anymore, the last Fedora Core was FCR6 (Zod), to get a better overview of that see here > http://linux-noob.com/review/fedora/development/

so what was formally known as Fedora Core is now just Fedora, ie: there is no Fedora Core 8, it is Fedora 8.


cheers
anyweb

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pulseaudio
by netpython on Tue 20th Nov 2007 10:08 UTC
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You got to love it, I do:-)

Nice experience to hear all the sounds coming from different sources with different volume settings.

Now every OS that I have tried under VMware doesn't trigger a sound-card disconnect, splendid indeed.

Edited 2007-11-20 10:08

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v Wow
by deathshadow on Tue 20th Nov 2007 11:32 UTC
Minority report
by factotum218 on Tue 20th Nov 2007 17:11 UTC
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2007-03-20

In all honesty I am really impressed with Fedora. I have installed on my G4 MDD and really enjoy it so far.
As hard as it is to not feel like PPC hardware is second rate, but I feel that this is as good as it will get and I am thankful I guess.

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