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That was extremely bad taste and unprofessional on osnews part.

Maybe, but I didn't do that. We are not all one and the same on osnews. So I shouldn't be the one paying for it with off topic comments on this article. I spent time to test these apps and write the article, so I appreciate only on topic comments and valid questions on the discussion.

Edited 2007-12-07 10:17

Thanks. It made me test them.

Photoshop Elements is almost good enough for webdesign - it lacks some stuff like masks but there are some 3rd party filters to enable them.

http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/pselements/p/layermasks.htm

It's for version 5. Just save thumbs.psd to Layer Mask.png and copy both files to "C:Documents and SettingsAll UsersApplication DataAdobePhotoshop Elements6.0Photo Creationsfilters". It isn't perfect, but gets the job done.

As for Premiere Elements I find the requirements a little steep. I tried it on a P4 2.4ghz, 512MB and it was almost unusable.

Off-topic: the 3 pictures really look bad, both in v3 and v4 of the site.

>P4 2.4ghz, 512MB and it was almost unusable.

Yes, Premiere Elements is much heavier than Vegas or Ulead or Magix (dunno about Pinnacle). It requires 1 GB of RAM to start with, while 2.4 Ghz will only get you as far as plain DV. For HDV you will need 2 GBs of RAM and 3 Ghz to edit comfortably and not swap (although Vegas' own requirements are similar about HDV too).

Edited 2007-12-07 11:08

Maybe I remember it all wrong, but back in the days I was doing a lot of video editing with Premiere 6 on a PIII with Win98 without much performance trouble. I'll have to find that CD and give it a try one of these days.

Edited 2007-12-07 11:23

Once upon a time Win98 itself would run on a P-133 Mhz too.

I don't think you were doing it at the resolution these guys are using. Moving from PAL/NTSC to HD increases the size of each frame exponentially.

-1, no sense of humor.

You could try hitting the "close" button. What's unprofessional about drawing attention to stories that are on your site? If you don't like it, you can close it.

No, only Photoshop Album is written in Qt, not the editing app.

According to http://trolltech.com/customers/allcustomers/adobe/

Photoshop Elements is written in QT too.

http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/00000120

"Adobe Elements 3.0 is a new product that combines the functionality of Adobe Photoshop Album with some of the Adobe Photoshop functionality. The Organizer functionality in this product is a continuation of the Photoshop Album product, is built on the same codebase and does use Qt."

Wonder why they don't release on the Mac or Linux then? Surely there is a market for such tools on the Mac and I'm fairly sure no Linux user would complain about having Adobe tools on their platform too.

Read that carefully. It's not the photo editor. It's the organiser (like Bridge) that is able to do a few functions of files en masse.

Still, if there is a Qt runtime on Mac OS X as TrollTech say, why didn't they easily move Album?

FCE is more of a traditional video editor. It requires more knowledge to catch on, and it can do more in terms of editing, but less in terms of creating DVDs and such. However, what bugs me with FCE4 is the fact that it does not support full HD (won't deal with 1920x1080, but only up to 1440x1080 w/ PAR 1.333), and it doesn't support 24p timelines at all. For me, these two problems are a deal breaker as my HV20 supports true 24p (after I remove pulldown) and I want to be able to export in full HD progressive and de-interlaced for my friends with 1080p HDTVs and PS3s (yes, I have such friends ).

Edited 2007-12-07 09:49

Thanks for the reply. Are the gripes you have with Final Cut Express fixed in Final Cut Pro? I'm interested in dabbling with video and iMovie can only take you so far.

Yes, Final Cut Studio and After Effects don't not have these limitations. But you need over $1200 to buy these, when Vegas Platinum costs $120 on a PC.

>> Now Adobe needs to get around to releasing a new version of PS Elements for OS X. <<

Adobe announced they would be releasing PS Elements 6 for the Mac in early 2008 (don't know how many months into 2008 that means). Since the organizer in PS Elements 6 on Windows has now been recoded (from MS Access) to use a DB that runs natively on the Mac (its used in Lightroom on Win/Mac), there's every reason to hope the Mac version will now have the Organizer - just like its Windows sibling.

Edited 2007-12-07 21:43

On 32bit Windows 1 GB can be used by the kernel and the drivers and leave the rest 2 GBs for apps. Apps can't access more than 2 GBs, but the kernel can, even if it's 32bit. I don't have any stability problems.

Edited 2007-12-08 04:33

I had tried 4 gigs on my Windows Machine. Did not work very well, although it could be a chipset limitation. I'll give three gigs a shot. (XP 64bit works fine, some apps are not happy with it though)

You can actually use 3 GB for a single app on 32bit Windows, but not by default:

http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=107255

When people work with Photoshop, they are typically only using that program, not multiple programs simultaneously. So I think Adobe is at some liberty to change the UI. I think the UI is supposed to mimic a darkroom.

Well, the last time I used the darkroom, it was really dark and didn't resemble the computer environment at all.

I suppose my point is that controls and UI should help rather than being annoying.
I think that could be handled by providing themes or skins with the ability to use native OS look & feel.

Apple's Aperture is closer to the photographer's environment but you pay a lot in the need for 3D power to use it. Photoshop's tools could be described more as an artist's grab bag since just about everything is there. I never found an airbrush or paint bucket near the fixer.

I'm curious as to why Adobe changed Photoshop Elements 6 to this darker interface since it's not present in Photoshop CS3, though Bridge CS3 uses the dark background for the folder items. I suppose they're just trying to join the Windows consumer application space with some different theme since there are so many already.