Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 12th Dec 2007 11:11 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless The crown jewel of Nokia right now is the E51 and Hi-Mobile.net sent us one over for a review. Some of you will be surprised by this comment as there are other and more powerful Nokia phones out there, but there's a reason for it. Read on to read it.
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scRAMbled
by mmu_man on Wed 12th Dec 2007 11:56 UTC
mmu_man
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2006-09-30

RAM11 ? I didn't know that cpu type ;)

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v On the box?
by memson on Wed 12th Dec 2007 12:37 UTC
RE: On the box?
by Eugenia on Wed 12th Dec 2007 20:09 UTC in reply to "On the box?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

And you will read many more. I am not likely to change the way I write. Neither anyone is going to proof read around here.

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RE[2]: On the box?
by Pelly on Wed 12th Dec 2007 20:21 UTC in reply to "RE: On the box?"
Pelly Member since:
2005-07-07

I am not likely to change the way I write.

There's no need to. Most of us get the message in your reviews without any problem at all.

However, when some pick at the way you write just take it to mean that your review was well received and they couldn't pick at the subject.

Good job.

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RE[2]: On the box?
by WereCatf on Thu 13th Dec 2007 05:41 UTC in reply to "RE: On the box?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Don't care about whiney people, I think it's just simply amazing that you find it in yourself to even write articles for free for others to read ;) And I atleast haven't seen you spreading any FUD or such here so I have nothing to complain. Sure, I can sometimes disagree with you about something but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate you contributing your time to writing stuff for me to read ;)

Oh, and on another note..I find it rather stupid that a camera phone with high mega-pixel camera doesn't have a flash :O I personally wouldn't touch such a phone even with a stick. And I was just wondering that it'd be cool if someone made a camera phone which would take a picture the instant you press the button instead of waiting like 5 seconds before launching. You always miss the best shots when you gotta wait... :/ Some might argue that that's what real digital cameras are for but well...not everyone always has a digital camera in their pocket whereas almost everyone has their phone with them all day long.

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RE[2]: On the box?
by memson on Thu 13th Dec 2007 09:54 UTC in reply to "On the box?"
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

All you need to remember is:

in - inside
on - on top

vs

on - onside <- not a real word
in - in top <- not a real phrase

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RE[3]: On the box?
by Eugenia on Thu 13th Dec 2007 09:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: On the box?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

This is something *basic*. Which means that if I still confuse it after 10+ years of living in English-speaking countries, it means that this is how my brain is wired (in conjunction to how my native language works), and so that won't change easily. So don't waste your time. I don't.

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RE[4]: On the box?
by memson on Thu 13th Dec 2007 10:05 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: On the box?"
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

Sure. You know I'm not *meaning* to offend you. If I was going to *try* to offend you I would make it far, far more obvious ;-)

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I love my E61
by smitty_one_each on Wed 12th Dec 2007 13:19 UTC
smitty_one_each
Member since:
2005-07-07

...but the recent Ogg nonsense is a real thumbs-down for you, Nokia.
Refresh your coolness!

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Just wondering
by fretinator on Wed 12th Dec 2007 14:38 UTC
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2005-07-06

It seems to me that the camera/video recorder in most phones is pretty lame. Maybe this is one feature that should just be left out.

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Coming to the US?
by technician on Wed 12th Dec 2007 14:49 UTC
technician
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2005-08-03

So when are we getting these in the states?

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RE: Coming to the US?
by HeLfReZ on Wed 12th Dec 2007 15:30 UTC in reply to "Coming to the US?"
HeLfReZ Member since:
2005-08-12

I don't know if it will ever "Come to US" but it is widely available from online retailers. I have been seriously considering picking up one of these phones as a replacement for my Pearl, as I am a big fan of nokia devices. It's the same size as the pearl but toss in wlan and other goodies.

What gets lost using it in the states is the 3.5G speed. You would be bound to EDGE speed at best unless Nokia spins a ATT 3G version like they did with the N75.

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RE[2]: Coming to the US?
by Bink on Wed 12th Dec 2007 17:09 UTC in reply to "RE: Coming to the US?"
Bink Member since:
2006-02-19

Do you know Nokiaís part number for the US version of this phone? There are many places selling it, like buy.com, but they donít list if itís the US version or not.

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RE[3]: Coming to the US?
by HeLfReZ on Wed 12th Dec 2007 18:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Coming to the US?"
HeLfReZ Member since:
2005-08-12

There is no US part number. The phone is a GSM device, therefore it will work in the states provided you have a GSM provider (TMobile, ATT, Suncom, etc). The caveat being, the phone does not have the 3G frequencies used by the US GSM provider, so you will get EDGE speed at best for data.

The gsm providers in the US use different frequencies than the rest of the world, of course. I think there is a snaffu with the frequencies because the military heisted them for their own bidding.

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RE[4]: Coming to the US?
by Bink on Wed 12th Dec 2007 21:05 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Coming to the US?"
Bink Member since:
2006-02-19

Are you sure about this? phoneArena says the phone should work on AT&Tís 3G networkóhttp://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Nokia-E51-for-business-article-a_20....

Edited 2007-12-12 21:05

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RE[5]: Coming to the US?
by Eugenia on Wed 12th Dec 2007 21:14 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Coming to the US?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I used it with AT&T too, but it seems that I was not on a 3G area at the time. I didn't see the 3G logo you see.

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RE: Coming to the US?
by EricSeale on Thu 13th Dec 2007 20:48 UTC in reply to "Coming to the US?"
EricSeale Member since:
2006-03-23

A few places have it now, with a US warranty. You can check the howardforums thread for those names. Otherwise, go to hi-mobile.net.

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tetsu
Member since:
2006-03-15

this a great nokia smartphone.. ive been waiting for it.... the only drawback is the video thing for me (i hope they fix it with a firmware update)

is already available on many online stores for around 295 ~ 310 U$S but you have to hurry... when a new batch arrives it goes out of stock pretty fast!

http://www.google.com/products?q=nokia+e51&btnG=Search+Products&sco...

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My Quandry
by HeLfReZ on Wed 12th Dec 2007 15:32 UTC
HeLfReZ
Member since:
2005-08-12

My quandry is that I am torn between the E51 and the E61i. Eugenia, and noticeable performance or big gains with the S60 feature pack 1 on the E51 over the E61i?

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RE: My Quandry
by REM2000 on Wed 12th Dec 2007 16:48 UTC in reply to "My Quandry"
REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

I think the biggest difference between the two phones is the keyboard (i.e. blackberry fully keyboard) on the E61i vs the standard phone design / keyboard of the E51

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RE[2]: My Quandry
by HeLfReZ on Wed 12th Dec 2007 18:33 UTC in reply to "RE: My Quandry"
HeLfReZ Member since:
2005-08-12

Not entirely true. The e51 includes Feature Pack1 which has gotton some great reviews on performance and stability. Some functions like Bluetooth and SIP (VoIP) got completely reworked in Feature Pack 1. The e61i does not support feature pack 1.


Feature Packs are not the same as firmware upgrades.

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korpenkraxar
Member since:
2005-09-10

It is indeed a very nice phone, though I have to confess I never got the Gizmo's SIP stuff up and running correctly (probably having to do with anal firewalls and routers). Instead I installed fring on it and while I would have preferred the free SIP protocol, at least I have Skype for VoIP. Google Maps also installs and runs fine. Connecting to encrypted WPA/WEP WLAN connections works fine and the 3G connection here in Sweden is ok for data transfer. This brings me to my question.

Does anyone know if there is a Symbian tool or perhaps some SDK code around that can set the WLAN card into ad-hoc/promiscuous mode and lets your phone itself act as a WLAN hotspot? It would be very nice to use the phone as a WLAN bridge to the net via 3G. Bluetooth is the traditional wireless protocol for this, but we all know it is painful to configure, slow compared to WLAN and not possible to share among several clients at the same time. Any ideas? Eugenia?

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sphere Member since:
2006-04-10

Instead I installed fring on it and while I would have preferred the free SIP protocol, at least I have Skype for VoIP.


Fring also supports SIP (starting with version 3.01 IIRC). Tried it successfully with my rather old Nokia 6680 (S60v2). It even worked quite well over GPRS (~56k).

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What?
by maxx_730 on Wed 12th Dec 2007 16:52 UTC
maxx_730
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2005-12-14

Again 9 out of 10? You guys are quickly losing credibility as reviewers.

Ipod touch: 9/10
Adobe Photoshop 8/10
Nokia E51 9/10
JVC GR-D347US: 8/10
Nokia 6120 Classic: 9/10
Sony Ericsson W580i: 8/10
iLO LCT32HA36 HDTV: 9/10
HTC TyTN-II ("Kaiser"): 9/10

I mean, purely from a statistical point of view, they can't all be that good, can they?

Edited 2007-12-12 16:53

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RE: What?
by Buffalo Soldier on Wed 12th Dec 2007 17:16 UTC in reply to "What?"
Buffalo Soldier Member since:
2005-07-06

I guess they are reviewing only the top of the crop devices.

I'm sure there are plenty of bad devices out there.

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RE: What?
by bousozoku on Wed 12th Dec 2007 19:04 UTC in reply to "What?"
bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23

Maybe, they should review my Nokia 6085 to put things in perspective but yes, it's difficult to believe that everything deserves such high ratings.

I would imagine that Hi-Mobile.net won't send them anything that will get a bad review, at least, as far as phones go.

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GPS
by Bink on Wed 12th Dec 2007 17:55 UTC
Bink
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2006-02-19

The phone appears to do everythingónice. Too bad itís missing GPS.

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Seriously?
by TrueDis on Wed 12th Dec 2007 18:27 UTC
TrueDis
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2007-06-19

I can't say you came anywhere close to convincing me why this beats out the N95, N82, E90 or any of the others that could be considered Nokia's "crown jewel". Seriously a piss-poor review.

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RE: Seriously?
by HeLfReZ on Wed 12th Dec 2007 18:38 UTC in reply to "Seriously?"
HeLfReZ Member since:
2005-08-12

One place in particular IMHO where it beats those devices is size. This guy is almost the exact same size of a blackberry pearl or like a motorola SLVR...none of the other phones have the same pocketability. Outside of the resolution and keyboard, it is basically the exactly a shrunken E90 feature wise...I think features+size is the key difference. Only thing it's really missing is GPS, but cramming wifi into a device this size if feat enough in itself lol.

Don't mean to sound like a salesman, I am just looking for the same constructive criticisms, because I have been seriously considering picking up one of these puppies.

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RE: Seriously?
by Eugenia on Wed 12th Dec 2007 20:04 UTC in reply to "Seriously?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

This device is expected to come down to $300 in less than a month. Compared to $600-700 N-series devices, this *business* device does the job VERY well. VoIP is its STRONGEST feature. If you want a VoIP phone, that's the one to get. It performs on that much better than ANY N-series device.

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RE[2]: Seriously?
by TrueDis on Sun 16th Dec 2007 03:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Seriously?"
TrueDis Member since:
2007-06-19

Fair enough, Eugenia, but that still doesn't explain why it's their "crown jewel." It's marketed far less than any of those that I mentioned.

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Pricing.
by HeLfReZ on Wed 12th Dec 2007 20:17 UTC
HeLfReZ
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2005-08-12

It is already available from many online retailers in the $299-350 range depending on where you order from. $400 it where most retailers I checked were topping out at.

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the stuffed animals and the leaves
by jptros on Wed 12th Dec 2007 20:22 UTC
jptros
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2005-08-26

Eugenia, you should really loose those stuffed animals and rake the leaves up in your yard. I'm mean come on!

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

That's not my yard. It is taken care by the owner every Wednesday.

As for the stuffed animals, there is no reason to "loose" them. The last thing you want is to have sheep "loose" in the house.

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jptros Member since:
2005-08-26

I was only kidding and I'm in my place. ;)

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screen size
by momchil_karabulev on Wed 12th Dec 2007 21:35 UTC
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Member since:
2007-12-12

the screen (like in 6120 classic) is only 2.0" and that makes the font quite small and unreadable for some people.

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3G Support
by HeLfReZ on Thu 13th Dec 2007 01:17 UTC
HeLfReZ
Member since:
2005-08-12

I could be wrong, but my understanding of 3g from att was that the phones used separate upload and download frequencies, hence the need for 850+1900 to make a hybrid 3g line. I could be wrong and you only need one of the frequencies. That being the case, I believe 1900 is the more prevalent frequency so it sux either way.

Would be nice to know, that would be icing on the cake. ATTs 3g frequencies are weird is all I know lol..Can anyone clarify and give it a yeah or neh

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Same question...
by saynte on Thu 13th Dec 2007 14:02 UTC
saynte
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2007-12-10

I have the same basic question/critique as I had with the iPod Touch: for a device thats primary function is a cellular phone, can we get a more descriptive idea of the PHONE abilities than the one sentence of "good reception, top notch voice quality" ? Does anyone know how it stacks up against in areas that normally get bad reception? Voice quality versus a few other types of phones? It is just that after reading, I feel enlightened about everything the phone can do, except be a phone.

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v cynical plug
by shahid on Thu 13th Dec 2007 19:48 UTC