Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 13th Dec 2007 00:31 UTC, submitted by Adam S
Windows "Microsoft's Hilton Locke, who used to work on the Tablet PC team and now works on the Windows Shell team, let us know today that if we are impressed with touch on the iPhone, then we'll be blown away by the touch features of the upcoming Windows 7." More here.
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Not good ...
by WorknMan on Thu 13th Dec 2007 00:42 UTC
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2005-11-13

Hasn't MS learned anything from their past mistakes (esp WinFS)? These guys need to STFU about features until this thing hits at least the beta stage.

Reply Score: 16

RE: Not good ...
by Hiev on Thu 13th Dec 2007 01:19 UTC in reply to "Not good ..."
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

Why not?, if we can swallow all the fake promises and the hype from KDE4 then I have no problems doing the same with MS.

Reply Score: 1

v RE[2]: Not good ...
by asdx24 on Thu 13th Dec 2007 01:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Not good ..."
RE[3]: Not good ...
by Hiev on Thu 13th Dec 2007 01:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not good ..."
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

sure, keep repeating the same if it makes you feel batter.

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: Not good ...
by pixel8r on Thu 13th Dec 2007 01:41 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Not good ..."
pixel8r Member since:
2007-08-11

sure, keep repeating the same if it makes you feel batter.


and same to you.
any particular feature you're thinking of that was supposed to be in kde4 but isn't? its pretty much all there now, though not yet finished.

anyway, what I got from the article is that the next windows will be "Windows 7". yay. ok so this has been common knowledge for a while but I dont follow windows much these days...

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: Not good ...
by BluenoseJake on Thu 13th Dec 2007 12:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not good ..."
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

That could be the most childish thing I've seen in ages.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Not good ...
by dylansmrjones on Thu 13th Dec 2007 14:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Not good ..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

What fake promises and hype?

Documentation please.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Not good ...
by wirespot on Thu 13th Dec 2007 15:59 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not good ..."
wirespot Member since:
2006-06-21

What fake promises and hype?
Documentation please.


In case you just arrived here from Mars: on Earth it's common knowledge that this kind of tactic has been used by Microsoft constantly since it's earliest days. It's a very effective method of stamping out competition. Whenever something comes up that even remotely challenges your position, all you have to do is release some FUD about the great things that will be in your next product, which is of course right around the corner.

Since Microsoft has a very solid position, most of the challenges it receives are risk plays from their makers. They go out on a limb and have to either make it or go down in a relatively short period of time. Unfortunately, they are very vulnerable like this. Customers will compare the offer from this new relatively unknown entity with promises from Microsoft, an established giant. It doesn't matter that the small player has something it can actually deliver right now and Microsoft only has words. Many clients will decide to wait until next year, just in case Microsoft is true to its word. But that is enough to destroy the delicate business plan of the challenger and make it go bust. And when the next year comes, Microsoft makes some excuse about not showing anything, or ups the ante with even more promises. And the competition is gone.

Simple and effective.

Reply Score: 2

RE[4]: Not good ...
by dylansmrjones on Thu 13th Dec 2007 18:03 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Not good ..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

I wasn't asking you for evidence of Microsoft using FUD or delivering fake promises.

I was asking Hiev for evidence of KDE-devs giving fake promises.

Reply Score: 2

RE[5]: Not good ...
by wirespot on Thu 13th Dec 2007 21:59 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Not good ..."
wirespot Member since:
2006-06-21

I was asking Hiev for evidence of KDE-devs giving fake promises.


In that case, sorry for being sarcastic.

In any case, you should quote the relevant bit of the post you reply to in the future, to avoid misunderstandings like this.

Reply Score: 2

RE[6]: Not good ...
by dylansmrjones on Fri 14th Dec 2007 00:09 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Not good ..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

I'll try that, but there is a link in the title to the parent post ;) - but I'll try to remember explicitly quoting the relevant part in the future ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE: Not good ...
by google_ninja on Thu 13th Dec 2007 04:16 UTC in reply to "Not good ..."
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

A transparent development process is actually something they learned from open source (as we saw in the famously leaked halloween memo http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween1.html)

Reply Score: 8

RE: Not good ...
by MollyC on Thu 13th Dec 2007 08:52 UTC in reply to "Not good ..."
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

Rather than promising detailed features and failing to deliver them, Microsoft should do like Apple and just announce vague "super secret features" that never materialize. People seem to go ga-ga for that sort of thing. :p

Reply Score: 6

RE: Not good ...
by Brunis on Thu 13th Dec 2007 10:36 UTC in reply to "Not good ..."
Brunis Member since:
2005-11-01

> Hasn't MS learned anything from their past mistakes (esp WinFS)? These guys need to STFU about features until this thing hits at least the beta stage.

They learned that spreading FUD works. People think that it has alot of new stuff and improvements. Even technical people close to me. And i can't persuade them otherwise. Even the latest benchmarks of XP sp3 vs. Vista sp1 where Office is twice as fast on xp has no effect on these people.. They just want to upgrade (and they don't want to know their money has gone down the drain) so why should they listen to reason, they already cashed out..

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: Not good ...
by sappyvcv on Thu 13th Dec 2007 13:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Not good ..."
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

How is claiming the next version of Windows will have feature X "FUD"? Do you even know what FUD means?

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RE[3]: Not good ...
by dylansmrjones on Thu 13th Dec 2007 14:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not good ..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Microsoft is good at that. They learned it from their previous Master (IBM). IBM was arguably better at it than MS, just like Sauron was better at being evil than Morgoth.

Reply Score: 0

RE[4]: Not good ...
by google_ninja on Thu 13th Dec 2007 15:14 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Not good ..."
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Every self respecting nerd knows that Sauron was the disciple of Morgoth, not the other way around (I hope that was a typo ;) )

Reply Score: 2

RE[5]: Not good ...
by dylansmrjones on Thu 13th Dec 2007 18:01 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Not good ..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

I'm perfectly aware of that, but none-the-less Sauron became better at being evil (or at least more successful) than his former Master.

Reply Score: 1

RE[6]: Not good ...
by eggs on Thu 13th Dec 2007 21:44 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Not good ..."
eggs Member since:
2006-01-23

Then your analogy makes no sense.

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: Not good ...
by apoclypse on Thu 13th Dec 2007 16:42 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Not good ..."
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

I think you have that backwards. Morgoth was Sauron's master and Suaron learned everything from him. I think Morgoth was much more of a bad guy than Sauron who for the most part was less of a physical baddie and more of a sweet talker, he could talk a good game but he got his ass handed to him several times. Morgoth was a god, Sauron is his lackey.

I'm such a geek. I think I'll go shoot myself.

Just messing.

Reply Score: 2

RE[4]: Not good ...
by sappyvcv on Thu 13th Dec 2007 23:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Not good ..."
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Sure they are good. When they do it. This is not a case of FUD.

Reply Score: 2

RE[5]: Not good ...
by dylansmrjones on Fri 14th Dec 2007 00:12 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Not good ..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Actually it is a part of FUD. It creates uncertainty and doubt. Combined that is enough to create fear in some people, not to mention the ads from Microsoft shown on this (and many other) site(s).

Reply Score: 1

RE[6]: Not good ...
by sappyvcv on Fri 14th Dec 2007 13:22 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Not good ..."
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Some product manager on the shell team can create fear by claiming Windows 7 will have touch features?

Wow dude, that's really f--king stretching it.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Not good ...
by wirespot on Thu 13th Dec 2007 16:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not good ..."
wirespot Member since:
2006-06-21

How is claiming the next version of Windows will have feature X "FUD"? Do you even know what FUD means?


Actually, you're right. Claiming you have stuff that doesn't actually exist, or that you will have it without actually delivering, is called vaporware. Much better than FUD.

Reply Score: 4

RE[4]: Not good ...
by sappyvcv on Thu 13th Dec 2007 23:13 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Not good ..."
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Everything announced in advance is vaporware until its officially released.

It's not FUD, it may or may not end up being vaporware, it's just stupid.

Reply Score: 2

wonders
by evert on Thu 13th Dec 2007 00:45 UTC
evert
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2005-07-06

Now that they just managed to make copying files in Vista possible without letting the user wait too long, we can expect even more wonders from Microsoft :-)

Without kidding, I think using a touchscreen is quite natural but not very precise without some kind of pencil. I'm not sure if I would like it that much, but many people will benefit from it, without doubt.

Reply Score: 3

blown away is correct
by Redeeman on Thu 13th Dec 2007 00:57 UTC
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2006-03-23

blown away is certainly correct, seeing as though the insane processor power requirements of vista+1 will make a nuclear explosion..

Reply Score: 5

That's it?
by CodeMonkey on Thu 13th Dec 2007 01:27 UTC
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2005-09-22

Am I the only one who is both confused and disappointed that a front page OSNews article didn't actually contain anything more than two or three sentences that weren't in the summary?

For crying out loud, what's next?

Front page: "CodeMonkey likes things"
Main article: "CodeMonkey likes things. He also likes stuff!"

Reply Score: 6

RE: That's it?
by weirdnut on Thu 13th Dec 2007 01:44 UTC in reply to "That's it?"
weirdnut Member since:
2006-01-19

In addition to that, some people are also quite annoyed when they have a "news article", which links to another "news article", which links to a "news article", which links to another one, in which one can finally find the link to get into the source of the many "news articles".

Giving credit to the source of the news is good, making your website visitor click through many sites is definitely not.

Reply Score: 11

Conveniently citing sources
by raboof on Thu 13th Dec 2007 13:46 UTC in reply to "RE: That's it?"
raboof Member since:
2005-07-24

Agreed - I like the tradition on many blogs, where articles are accompanied with 2 links:

1 reference to 'more information' (directly to the 'source' of the matter), and 1 reference giving credit to the other blogger/newssite/whatever that lead the author to this topic.

Reply Score: 1

JonathanBThompson
Member since:
2006-05-26

Windows 7 will have touchscreen functionality in what, a couple years? A few years? Perhaps dropped through butter fingers as they find some big issue that makes it too much hassle? So, comparing something that's not available outside of developer's fingers to something that's already shipping, and saying "It'll be much better!" well, we know how those sorts of claims work out ;)

I predict that when Microsoft gets this going on a Windows Mobile mutation (which actually doesn't really share much of the mainline Windows code, so it's really more of a different critter) that Apple will have perfected the Facial Hair User Interface on the iPhone and iPod Touch, and thus people with only facial hair but no fingers will be maximally productive on iPhones, and be able to work as phone sex operators ;)

Reply Score: 6

tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Multi-Unary-Fingerless-Function Interface spec allowing for the tactile screen interaction equivalent in today's iPhone.

There will be several patents on the Pinch functionality alone and require a lot of control.

/endOfBeingAPig.

Reply Score: 2

Aaaaw.
by Almafeta on Thu 13th Dec 2007 02:13 UTC
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2007-02-22

Since the Tablet APIs are in Vista, I was hoping the multitouch APIs would be included in SP1 or SP2.

Ah well... at least they're giving us a long enough head's up for people to actually develop for it.

Reply Score: 1

v Who Cares?
by patrick_ on Thu 13th Dec 2007 02:13 UTC
RE: Who Cares?
by jayson.knight on Thu 13th Dec 2007 03:31 UTC in reply to "Who Cares?"
jayson.knight Member since:
2005-07-06

"Who cares about Windows anymore?"

95% of the people who use PC's?

Reply Score: 15

RE[2]: Who Cares?
by JamesTRexx on Thu 13th Dec 2007 07:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Who Cares?"
JamesTRexx Member since:
2005-11-06

95% of the people

Actually a lot less than that.
Most people only care about the applications and "Ooh shiny!". They don't care whether it runs on Windows, *nix, Apples or pears, they just want to do their mail, surfing, games, typing, etc.
If they have trouble with the OS that they can't fix with a magic repair button, they turn to others to fix their pc anyway.

Reply Score: 7

RE[2]: Who Cares?
by Xaero_Vincent on Thu 13th Dec 2007 08:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Who Cares?"
Xaero_Vincent Member since:
2006-08-18

95% of the people who use PC's?


Thats a good point.

I care about Windows too, since I use it in addition to Linux. You have to know Windows to get into most IT-related fields.

However, that doesn't mean you have to miss out on anything by running *nix. I can access any Windows apps I want from my terminal server, even those that otherwise fail under Wine or VMs. .NET/WPF apps are no problem either--as you can see from the new Yahoo Messenger for Vista.

Heres my example:

http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/fullview.php?i=3885&original=1

Of course a terminal server fall flat at 3D gaming but Wine/Cedega usually work satisfactory after some tweaking. In the future we can hopefully look forward to DirectX/OpenGL hardware accelerated VM solutions!

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: Who Cares?
by Soulbender on Thu 13th Dec 2007 10:06 UTC in reply to "RE: Who Cares?"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I doubt they actually care about Windows per se. They just use whatever came on their PC and whatever does what they need to do. If it's called Windows, Apple or Linux is irrelevant for them.

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: Who Cares?
by Brunis on Thu 13th Dec 2007 10:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Who Cares?"
Brunis Member since:
2005-11-01

>>"Who cares about Windows anymore?"

>95% of the people who use PC's?

No, they might have heard they are running Windows, but if you ask them which version they are running.. they might aswell say 97 or linux.. and they don't give a shit.. and they should'nt.. this is only religion to a few of us.. the ones that know the pathetic nature of Windows.. we have an fanatic interest in seeing Microsoft loose.. I used to think the Amiga would conquer the Pc.. then i thought BeOS would prevail.. know i have to rely on linux for that.. and i think linux has actually reached a stage where it is better than windows on the desktop.. the only problem is.. noone (the usual family computer nerd you call) is familiar with linux, so if you need help.. you're screwed!

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Who Cares?
by Quoth_the_Raven on Thu 13th Dec 2007 10:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Who Cares?"
Quoth_the_Raven Member since:
2005-11-15

Don't think it's 95% anymore.

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: Who Cares?
by Mellin on Thu 13th Dec 2007 13:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Who Cares?"
Mellin Member since:
2005-07-06

80 - 85%

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Who Cares?
by dylansmrjones on Thu 13th Dec 2007 14:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Who Cares?"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

More like ~80% these days when looking apart from users on myfavouritedogfoodandseebritneyspearsandlindseylohannudeinthebathtubwi thparishilton.getfreshviruseshereforthe.net

Remember, there's a world outside where windows is a generic word for something transparent you can see through.

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: Who Cares?
by jayson.knight on Thu 13th Dec 2007 15:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Who Cares?"
jayson.knight Member since:
2005-07-06

To everyone who has said something like "more like 80%"...you're forgetting about the business world, where Windows adoption rate on the desktop is 98%, if not even higher. I'm well aware of the world outside. I spend a lot of time there. Facts are facts.

Reply Score: 0

RE[4]: Who Cares?
by dylansmrjones on Thu 13th Dec 2007 15:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Who Cares?"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

*LOL*

The business world is a helluvalot better at adopting Linux than Average Joe. It is in the business sector you see the largest adoption of linux (and *nix in general). I'm not even sure Windows has the majority there.

Reply Score: 1

RE[5]: Who Cares?
by jayson.knight on Thu 13th Dec 2007 15:25 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Who Cares?"
jayson.knight Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't think you read my comment thoroughly: " Windows adoption rate on the desktop is 98%". Desktop. End users. And yes, business desktop adoption for Windows is ubiquitous, and much higher than in the consumer space.

Reply Score: 2

RE[6]: Who Cares?
by dylansmrjones on Thu 13th Dec 2007 18:06 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Who Cares?"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Sure as hell it isn't. Linux on the desktop is a lot more widespread on the business desktop than at home users.

Windows has a bigger percentage of the home users than among business users - including the Desktop.

You'd be surprised to see the numbers of OS X on business Desktops.

Reply Score: 2

RE[7]: Who Cares?
by Xaero_Vincent on Thu 13th Dec 2007 18:16 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Who Cares?"
Xaero_Vincent Member since:
2006-08-18

Windows is steadily losing marketshare. About 1% loss every year or two. Most of this marketshare is going to Apple but a small slice is going to Linux as well.

Windows is at 92% marketshare now.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpdt=1&qpct=4&q...

Reply Score: 2

Tablet PCs
by dreamlax on Thu 13th Dec 2007 02:52 UTC
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2007-01-04

Even though I work in the portable PC business, it's hard to tell whether tablet PCs will become more popular. They certainly have a much smaller place in the market than your regular laptops.

Microsoft promising excellent touch-screen features is really only appealing to a small market.

Personally, I won't go near tablets. I hate fixing them (but that's my job). A notebook style laptop is the best type of portable PC, in my opinion. Who knows, maybe they'll make them touch-screen too?

Reply Score: 2

RE: Tablet PCs
by Cass on Thu 13th Dec 2007 03:12 UTC in reply to "Tablet PCs"
Cass Member since:
2006-03-17

Fujitsu used to make touchscreen laptops, the old Lifebook B series im sure .. Didn't really go anywhere it seems, probably would have benefited with some good tech behind it rather than a stylus doing the same as the mouse pointer ..

Reply Score: 2

RE: Tablet PCs
by kaiwai on Thu 13th Dec 2007 16:16 UTC in reply to "Tablet PCs"
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2005-07-06

The problem I have with them is this; I'm petrified that I'm going to break them; if they do come out with a reasonably priced tablet, it needs to be cheap, light and very ruggered. I want to be able to drop the sucker from a height of 2 metres and know that the machine is still going to keep working without a hitch. If something is spilled over it, I want to know that I can wipe if off with a cloth and keep on using it.

Like I said, I'd be happy to use it but given the price is expensive and the fragile nature of these devices, I'd sooner stick to good old pencil and paper; and use a notebook when stationary.

Reply Score: 1

Jeez
by google_ninja on Thu 13th Dec 2007 04:01 UTC
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2006-02-05

All it takes is windows in the title and you get a comment section insta-flame war

Reply Score: 3

RE: Jeez
by PlatformAgnostic on Thu 13th Dec 2007 05:22 UTC in reply to "Jeez"
PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

Yeah... it's pretty funny the way that works. There's a lot more hatred than understanding when it comes to Microsoft and Windows. Of course they'll claim that they hate BECAUSE they understand...

Reply Score: 5

RE: Jeez
by 6c1452 on Thu 13th Dec 2007 07:28 UTC in reply to "Jeez"
6c1452 Member since:
2007-08-29

Hey, at least nobody has said they're copying Apple yet.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Jeez
by google_ninja on Thu 13th Dec 2007 15:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Jeez"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Yeah, but KDE4 (of all things) was brought up near the top.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Jeez
by Ford Prefect on Thu 13th Dec 2007 07:52 UTC in reply to "Jeez"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

I'm sorry, but this is not about Windows. It's about MS not stopping to talk bullshit all the time.

Look at this "news", at the _source_! It only consists of:
"I will say that if you are impressed by the "touch features" in the iPhone, you'll be blown away by what's coming in Windows 7. Now if only we could convince more OEMs that Windows Touch Technology is going to drive their sales."

You see? It's just "hey, we will blow you away!!!111 I'm not kidding, now buy our stuff!!!11111"

I'M IN UR WINDUZ BLOWIN' YA AWAY!


Just skip it and there will be no flame war.

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: Jeez
by google_ninja on Thu 13th Dec 2007 15:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Jeez"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

I'M IN UR WINDUZ BLOWIN' YA AWAY!


Ok, that was funny ;)

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RE[2]: Jeez
by wirespot on Thu 13th Dec 2007 16:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Jeez"
wirespot Member since:
2006-06-21

You see? It's just "hey, we will blow you away!!!111 I'm not kidding, now buy our stuff!!!11111"


Except you can't even buy it, because it doesn't exist yet. And if past claims for previous versions of Windows have shown us anything, we may very well wait 5 years only to finally be told "sorry, that shiny thing we mentioned didn't make it".

Look at Vista. It first made an appearance around 2001, in the form of codenames Longhorn and Blackcomb. Over the years, the two merged features (on paper), only to then begin dropping them like crazy. Vista finally arrived in 2006, with a lot of features dropped, most notably WinFS.

So why should anybody believe anything Microsoft says? If we have learned anything from the past it's that Windows 7 will probably arive in 2012 and will NOT include touch features.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Jeez
by dylansmrjones on Thu 13th Dec 2007 15:11 UTC in reply to "Jeez"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Yup. Write anything that isn't a complete bow to Microsoft and you get modded down. Write something which isn't a complete bow to FLOSS and you get modded down as well. Write something about Mac which isn't a complete bow to Steve Jobs and you get modded down.

Write something trollish and you get modded up.

Go figure...

Reply Score: 2

will they remove feature before final
by Sabz on Thu 13th Dec 2007 07:41 UTC
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2005-07-07

wait, there gonna actually remove this feature before final, ;)

Reply Score: 1

MollyC
Member since:
2006-07-04

I don't understand the news submission policies here.

A few days ago, I submitted a story about Vista SP1 providing up to 3 times the network performance of Vista RTM.
** Vista SP1 will deliver big network speed boost **
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=336

This story provided some counter to the series of "Vista SP1 provides no perf improvements" stories that we were treated to from some website I'd never heard of before. But for some reason my story was rejected, despite being very detailed.

Yet this "Windows 7 To Feature Touch Technology" story is accepted despite being based on a single "oh, by the way" sentence from Hilton Locke's msdn blog entry talking about the Dell Latitude XT Tablet? This story has zero substance to it at this point. Why is this accepted, but not the story on Vista SP1's network performance improvements? I really don't get it.

Edited 2007-12-13 08:43

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PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

That's a really good question. Thom... whose side are you on today? :-) I think OSNews kills kittens!

(Okay... this is certainly off-topic)

Reply Score: 1

dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Oh well, since the whole WindowsUpdateIsEvilBecauseitUpdatesItselfWithoutAskingFirst-thingy got accepted as 'news' I believe people have been searching for a new and even lower standard ;)

Reply Score: 1

Coxy
Member since:
2006-07-01

I'm sure Star Trek fans will love this news, they'll probably working on mock-ups NOW for bootscreen replacements so that it looks like the LCARS consoles, and recording sample of the 'ships computer' that they can use to replace the default sound systems.

Reply Score: 1

Who said "vaporware" ??
by yvesdandoy on Thu 13th Dec 2007 10:03 UTC
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Member since:
2006-12-22

1) Touch technology is available and works perfectly on iPod touch and iPhone
2) what if they first finished and made available their famous (but other vaporware up to now) filesystem that was supposed to appear with Vista ?

How can people still believe in these declarations ?

Reply Score: 2

RE: Who said "vaporware" ??
by PlatformAgnostic on Thu 13th Dec 2007 10:31 UTC in reply to "Who said "vaporware" ??"
PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

Do you want to know where that filesystem went? One part became this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADO.NET_Entity_Framework

There were other parts to it, of course, and those pieces are being applied where appropriate.

Reply Score: 0

RE[2]: Who said "vaporware" ??
by japh on Thu 13th Dec 2007 11:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Who said "vaporware" ??"
japh Member since:
2005-11-11

"There were other parts to it, of course, and those pieces are being applied where appropriate."

Of course, one might argue that "where appropriate" would be in a place which "forever changes the way we work with computers". That was one of the selling points of vista, in its early days.

I think "appropriate" sometimes is fulfilling the expectations people have on you. At least when the expectations comes from what you told them would happen.

Reply Score: 3

Blown Away fo' shure!
by Brunis on Thu 13th Dec 2007 13:48 UTC
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2005-11-01

I'll be blown away if this makes it into Windows 8 ..

Reply Score: 2

Oh dear.
by HelbaDot on Thu 13th Dec 2007 17:45 UTC
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Member since:
2007-01-29

That's the first Windows 7 guarantee to come.

I was impressed by the iPhone. Is Windows really going to top that and 'blow me away?'

We'll see.

Reply Score: 1

The funny thing is...
by Anim8me2 on Thu 13th Dec 2007 17:51 UTC
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2006-02-10

everyone seems to miss the truly embarrassing thing about this comment.

He is claiming that MS will have technology to compete with a shipping product in POSSIBLY 2 years. If they can ship it that quickly.

So ultimately it will take MS at minimum 2 years to catch up with technology for a desktop OS (probably requiring close to top of the line hardware) that is now shipping on a PHONE!

If it were me I would be so proud!

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I do care windows
by andyleung on Thu 13th Dec 2007 18:12 UTC
andyleung
Member since:
2006-03-24

Because I need to have Windows to show me something extremely wrong and stupid so I know I am doing all right things in Linux; otherwise I don't know that Linux is actually pointing to the right direction all the time.

I don't know if that is 80%, 85% or 90% or even 99% because I am having Windows on my office desktop with 2 Ubuntu Linux running as test environment for application and database servers to simulate the infrastructure for implementations. I also run one Linux only desktop (C2D E6600, 4GB) at home with 6 Linux on it (Fedora 7, SuSE, Ubuntu 7.10 x 2, DamnSmallLinux and PCLinuxOS), even though two of my sisters and myself run HP with Windows on them, I am running, yet, 4 Ubuntu on my laptop.

Total Windows I am running, it's 1 desktop + 3 laptops = 4 Windows.

Total Linux I am running, it's 2 on office desktop + 7 Linux on my desktop + 4 on my laptop = 13 Linux.

Not that much but I guess I am boosting the % of Linux desktop ;) ...those companies who are doing the survey to come up with 98% of the marketing using Windows need to take virtualization into considerations.

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Scared...
by Ralf. on Thu 13th Dec 2007 18:56 UTC
Ralf.
Member since:
2005-08-13

through statements like this you can notice how scared Microsoft must be by the iPhone and the technology inside of it. Compared to Windows Mobile, the iPhone seams like a device from outher space - like the AMIGA in 1985 was compared to an MS-DOS PC at that time.
You can see this also in Ballmers doubtful comments about the iPhone when it was introduced in january.

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So is this
by ichi on Thu 13th Dec 2007 21:35 UTC
ichi
Member since:
2007-03-06

something like MPX (last years' tech, at best) + asking for hardware support?

And it'll blow away who exactly?

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