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Same here. And the writing could be a bit clearer in some of the comics
About the name:
How about "apropOS" (from the word: "apropos")
If you can't find any good names, just call it "OS Strips" or something. At least you might get more hits from Google searches ;-)
Edited 2007-12-28 21:37
I second the brilliance of this, though I see the potential for a lot of aforementioned fanboys getting their [insert preference of underwear] in a wad (even moreso than usual, that is).
"OSNews is biased against OS/2!"
"OSNews advocates poisoning people!"
"OSNews is anti-Apple!"
Or maybe I'm being a tad cynical here...
If you could make the lines a little darker, maybe go over it with a thicker felt tip marker, they would be easier to read.
It is a good point though that people get too carried away with things. It always amuses me when someone writes a huge response to a topic and quotes various comments debunking them one at a time. I am often thinking, "Way too much times on their hands..."
Would be nice if the OSNews readers could post their own comics in the forum, with an online painting tool embedded in the "Post a new comment" section. This of course should only be enabled for the "Comic" threads.
Some links:
http://canvaspaint.org/
http://www.flashpaint.com/
http://www.sketchr.net/draw/
Another IT comic link:
http://www.bugbash.net/
I think this is a good idea. Basically, all of us need to step back once in a while and laugh at ourselves, and our pet OSes. There would be a lot less flaming.
In fact, to cut down on the number of endless arguments I went ahead and settled them for everyone:
1. Gnome is better than KDE.
2. The BSD license IS freer than the GPL.
3. Windows and Microsoft are evil.
4. Macs are way cooler than anything else.
5. People who run Linux are much smarter than other computer users.
Your welcome!
I love your list of conclusions, but I still believe that each of your well-considered points needs a little bit of clarification ... or rebuttal. :-)
1. The IBM WorkPlace Shell still kicks KDE and Gnome butt three ways from Sunday, though both are getting better all the time. And also much bigger, sadly.
2. Licensing is important to developers, but most end users are interested in functionality.
3. Windows is a tool, and its alignment is Neutral Neutral. Microsoft is admittedly run by tools, but its actions aren't "evil", just self-serving, manipulative, and sometimes illegal. Oh wait ... that's evil, isn't it?
4. Macs are way cooler than anything else. I really don't know what else to say. :-)
5. Linux can be a smart choice. Many Linux users are also very smart people, but most of the smartest people I've known were either mainframe or UNIX people. Many of that subset of people also use Linux, of course.
http://xkcd.com/303/ for example.
I think the comic is a great idea! Here are a few more suggestions:
"OSNewt"
"!swenSO¡"
"A patch in time..."
"The OS at the End of the Galaxy"
"The Lighter Side of OSNews" (just to be practical)
"Fudgecicles of Doom" (just to be random)
And I second Benjamin's recommendation of http://xkcd.com/ for one of the greats in the field of tech comics!
I think in a world that can be dark and dismal sometimes given the news reports we all watch, a little light hearted humour is always good.
After all, this is just computer stuff, a little light heartedness might serve to make us less anal and contrite. We all have opinions (no right no wrong) but having hissy fits over which OS is the best or which vendor pissed in your corn flakes over a bad service pack or whatever else; taken over all the current world mayhem seems just so silly.
If we all take our "two cents" and put it towards vanquishing the current world mayhem, I think we would be all that much better for it. Banging at APPLE, Microsoft, OpenBSD, Richard Stallman sure is not going to make the killing stop and is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
In a world where everyone seemingly is an IT expert, maybe using that IT expertise to solve some real issues that plague us all as a civilization might be of more assistance. It is all relative.
I like reading OSNEWS (any IT related or non-IT related news) as it is a constant education and a way to keep current. Understanding that everyone is entitled to their opinion does not mean I necessary want or wish to read it or be exposed to it. Personally I like to make my own decisions (and mistakes) without anyone else' assistance.
We do take ourselves too seriously sometimes and laughter is always "good medicine".
I say Keep the funnies flowing; that is if you care to read my opinion.
Peace to all
I'd call it "Crude".
That would allude to the style of drawing, as well as the kind of humour - at least if you take a fanboy's point of view.
It could also mean crude oil in a sense of "some unrefined stuff that can be used to lower friction (within the community)".
The title should probably be written by hand or at least in a font that comes sufficiently close to the look of handwriting.
By far the best joke, imo, was the one about acid :-D
Edited 2007-12-28 18:39 UTC
Easily the best suggestion. Not having "OS" in it is a plus too.
Crude is the best suggestion (he'll get the membership), but sadly, I'm not going to use it - it is too similar to UF's Crud Puppy, and I want to avoid any future problems.
It's going to be a weird BeOS reference, most likely (seeing that's my pet OS after all). Just don't know what, yet.
Easily the best suggestion. Not having "OS" in it is a plus too.
Crude is the best suggestion (he'll get the membership), but sadly, I'm not going to use it - it is too similar to UF's Crud Puppy, and I want to avoid any future problems.
It's going to be a weird BeOS reference, most likely (seeing that's my pet OS after all). Just don't know what, yet.
Thorn or Thorned would sound nice.
I don't think you have to worry too much about that since a) Crud != Crude, b) totally different style and c) your jokes are better and by better I mean they're actually funny.
I don't think you have to worry too much about that since a) Crud != Crude, b) totally different style and c) your jokes are better and by better I mean they're actually funny. "
Heh, thanks
. Anyway, the membership has been given to RandomGuy for Crude, but I won't be using it. I have come up with a name, it's a BeOS reference, and I will unveil it once the comic goes live - hopefully somewhere next week. Three comics a week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday), published on a separate section of OSNews (so not in between other newsitems).
For now, the comics fall under OSNews copyright, but I will most likely choose a CC license and allow for hotlinking or something.
Edited 2007-12-30 10:49 UTC
How about posting less flame-bait from some blog somewhere just so the local cheerleaders can rehash the same tired old argument again ?
If you ask me, these somics belong on your blog. I would be happy to read them there. It's not what I'm looking for on OSNews. IMHO and all that.
If you ask me, these somics belong on your blog. I would be happy to read them there. It's not what I'm looking for on OSNews. IMHO and all that.
I'm sick of reading this. It's his site, his rules. Thom has said (more than once) that OSNews is a techblog. Get over it.
If you ask me, these somics belong on your blog. I would be happy to read them there. It's not what I'm looking for on OSNews. IMHO and all that.
I'm sick of reading this. It's his site, his rules. Thom has said (more than once) that OSNews is a techblog. Get over it. "
He said 'IMHO'. You get over it.
The hand drawings have a kind of rough anti-technology vibe that suits the subject matter, making fun of tech. It also gives you the freedom to do them where ever as a pen and pad are highly portable and always useful.
I would suggest scanning them into some sort of vector based program like Inkscape or Adobe Illustrator. It will keep the same feel, but will make it easier to manipulate them.
My one suggestion would be to ink them with a wider pen such as a Sharpie. (I'm not sure if you have Sharpies in Europe, but this http://www.accessoriesallareas.com/images/Sharpie%20Marker%... is what I'm talking about.) The vector drawing programs would help with this as it is easy to turn up the thickness of a line.
As for names:
Software Error
Core Dump
IDtenT Errors
IO Error (Idiot Operator Error)
However I think it's a good idea. Don't set goals though. If you're not inspired, don't force yourself. If, one week, you have several ideas in mind, go ahead. Also, I can imagine you could accept user submissions. Some people might have witty drawings, I guess some OSN readers are pretty creative. That would be nice. My take: Add a thumbnail in the left column for the latest drawing(s).
The comics are trolling pure and simple. I know lots of people are going to say "It's just a joke! Lighten up!", but that is exactly the problem. It is common for people to use the "Joke" format in an argument as a way of making an trolling statement without having to back up their position. When they are called on it, the chime out "It was a joke. Lighten up." If you put those comics on your site, you are making a public announcment that you run a biased site with no credible information.
Of course, that is your right, but you should be aware of the choice you are making.
As another poster commented, the jokes would be better suited for a non-news site.
If you do choose to put them on this site, I would suggest "The Flaming Troll" as the title. Then make it clear that the comments section is expected to be one huge flamefest, as that is what it will be whether you want it to or not, so instead of fighting the inevitable, you might as well embrace it.
Edited 2007-12-28 20:48
Thom, I really appreciate your efforts and everything but I think the comic thing is something that you should try a bit on your blog first. I'm sure the idea will evolve. Now it's still awfully geeky and a bit embarrassing.
The joke about the acid test is pretty funny, though.
I think this is a good idea, completely apart from whether anyone thinks it's good or not. It's a chance for you to release some steam and exercise some creativity and to do it in a format that implies and expects that you aren't %100 serious, allowing you perhaps more room to say things. Go for it.
I laughed at the Windows on OLPC comic. I like how the factory from the Stallman/OpenBSD comic looks just like the little plastic factory pieces from the board game Axis and Allies (shot of it here: http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=industrialbt0.jpg ).
Thanks for all the positive replies guys and girls, I'm very happy about them and I'm really close to officially launching the comic as soon as Adam gets back from his vacation so we can think of a way to integrate it properly into OSN v4.
I'm fairly close to naming the comic series "The Hike to the Sea", a very, very, very obscure Be, Inc. reference. Not sure though, might be too abstract.
http://www.bebox.nu/history.php?s=history/1991#hike
Edited 2007-12-28 22:43 UTC
You failed.
Seriously, they're not even near to the definition of "funny".
That's not your fault. If I was in your place, I would have drawn even crappier things. Simply, a webcomic is not something everyone can improvise.
Keep on the good OSNews work and leave webcomics to people that can do it. I'd love if you can have a deal with, say, XKCD to have him draw a weekly OSNews-related strip, for example.
I am in favor of this; however, the format would be kind of hard to fit on this site. You don't really want to put them in the article, or flames and anti-comedic snobbery will result.
Perhaps a weekly-or-so post with comics about recent articles would be in order. A bit like this one, really.
If I wanted to be funny, I would have drawn Thom in a bunny suit.
Can you do it anyway? I'm up for a good laugh this holiday weekend
Plus the rest of us would get a kick out of it too. And I never seen Thom in a bunny suit and I want to see what he looks like like a bunny.
Edited 2007-12-29 19:04
Yeah, I think it's definitely worth the effort. I mean, I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment because I do read lots of comments (at least on some articles). And I like (web)comics, too. So yeah, I'd be at least a little interested. Everybody could always use more laughs. And don't worry about the art. Sure, some people are graphics whores, but there's still some people who enjoy NetHack (et al.) in a plain ASCII term.
:-)
(potential names?)
OS Snooze
OS Nuisance
OS Noose
LamerOS
HilariOS
James Hardie (I assume that is how its spelt) - an asbestos company has been based in Holland for sometime. Alright mocking asbestos in general is fine until Bernie Banton for eg. (an Australian asbestoses and related cancer sufferer) suffered without knowing. Thom you live in the Netherlands.
Bernie turns up to the then Australian Health Minister Tony Abbot's place and gets everyone to sign a petition to put a drug for this cancer on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, ie. make it cheaper and government funded. Just weeks and days before Bernie passed away.
Abbot says it was a "stunt and that Mr Banton has an impure heart".
He died a fighter after Abbot and Co. (the Liberal Party to Labor) lost the election.
But on the lighter side, which is hypocritical of me, maybe you can call it:
JamOS Hardly
(?)
Or maybe after those 2 comedians, one was Abbot. I think the other was Costello, mockery on the Aussies previous political Treasurer.
If you really wish to leave it in place.
"So, the big question that arises from all this: do you like this? Should we, OSNews, think about continuing this, and giving it a permanent place on OSNews? I enjoy making them, that's for sure."
Why not? Time and time again we've been told that OSNews is not just about Operating Systems which is fine since a news site such as OSN should bring in some interesting tidbits apart from the main OS news flow.
Then we get to hear from Eugenia that she no longer is interested in operating systems and she starts writing about video editing. Akward and kind of clumsy to have one of your former most prominent editors discard the (original) primary purpose of the site. If that doesn't signal things going downhill, I don't know what will.
And now this. Fun as a one off idea Thom, but please keep it for an annual "Best of 20xx" post or post them on your blog or start a sister site.
Then again, it's your site and you do what you want with it. Just don't expect old faithful users and visitors to remain faithful. Or users and visitors for that matter.
the xmas one hints that the artist have a healthy interest in mythbusters.
and the deplume is a bit like a refined slashdot posting.
but the acid test i needed a hint from the comments to grasp...
anyways, if its a topic one cant laugh about, maybe its a topic not worth talking about at all?
The comic it's quite funny, but I had a lot difficulties reading the text.
Maybe is my crappy computer monitor that is dying and becoming more blurry and my glasses being dirty, but the text could be darker or something so even people with "technical difficulties" can read it properly 
Please, I think these are utterly devoid of humour, except the last one (which most people didn't even get).
Making a statement like: "Running XP on OLPC is like fitting a square peg in a round hole", is not remotely humour. Where's the ha ha?
Most of these jokes are along the lines of "Microsoft is stupid". Ha ha ha. "Apple is stupid". Ha ha ha. "XYZ is stupid". Ha ha ha.
Just put a thumbnail somewhere top-left with the latest, might as well have a dedicated page for it, so the "serious" people don't have to look at it, oh, and put "previous/next/latest/first" buttons there for the bored (like me). I recently read all of UF/CAD/PA like that
Yes, I need a new gig.
Anyways, why not just use gimp+elcheapo-wacom-thingie, and a good comic font? (Or inkscape if that floats your boat).
They seem too wordy. If you were to do just that, I'd rather you create them more of like fortune cookies than comics.
If you are going to make a comic for news items that deserve them, then you should tag those fortune cookies to the news items, hidden with AJAX, so as to protect the "seriousness" of this site.
My take: I like the humour but not the presentation. A non-intrusive and text-only strip is enough for me. (sorry I'm more of a content guy)
Brilliant strips, wonderful ideas, but there is one thing...
"Call For Draftsman"
Look, here's what the photographers got:
http://www.whattheduck.net/
I liked the concepts fine and smiled a bit; sharing SVG would be pretty neat, so of course I am biased towards suggesting Inkscape etc. and/or a commercial artist call for interest/submissions.
That is to say, I consider it with the Mathematical Association of America's _Proofs Without Words_ sections, where it's semi-obvious from a diagram what is being implied. This is a big break from seeing 12 authors, their advisors, their advertisers (well...in some contexts) and what engine is behind a site for a few days until the real iPhone images or whatever come up. " Metadata presents last " is seldom practised anymore.




Absolutely brilliant ^^