Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 29th Jan 2008 23:10 UTC, submitted by friendly.daemon@googlemail.com
FreeBSD "In December 2003, I wrote a script for remotely upgrading a linux system to FreeBSD. I gave it a catchy name ('Depenguinator', inspired by the 'Antichickenator' in Baldur's Gate), announced it on a FreeBSD mailing list and on Slashdot, and before long it was famous. Unfortunately, it didn't take long for changes in the layout of FreeBSD releases to make the Depenguination script stop working; so for the past three years I have been receiving emails asking me to update it to work with newer FreeBSD releases." And now it's back.
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Wow
by OStourist on Tue 29th Jan 2008 23:29 UTC
OStourist
Member since:
2007-06-19

This is so geeky it made my day ;)

But I'm still not sure of exactly what it would be used
for...can we run FreeBSD in a virtual image
like a virtual machine(Vmware) does?
And how does it make BSD installation easier?
We do have DesktopBSD for that as well of course.

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RE: Wow
by Oliver on Tue 29th Jan 2008 23:44 UTC in reply to "Wow"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

This has nothing to do with DesktopBSD or the desktop per se,

"This is a method to convert a Linux system to FreeBSD remotely. Colin tested the script using Ubuntu 7.10. I have a few Red Hat 8.0 systems and one or more Fedora Core 4 systems that I would like to convert to FreeBSD 7.0."

http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2008/01/from-linux-to-freebsd-with....

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v Comment by tarpit
by tarpit on Tue 29th Jan 2008 23:50 UTC
RE: Comment by tarpit
by Oliver on Tue 29th Jan 2008 23:53 UTC in reply to "Comment by tarpit"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

There is no underdog, just a massive lack of any knowledge.

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Can't get the purpose of it
by devurandom on Wed 30th Jan 2008 00:44 UTC
devurandom
Member since:
2005-07-06

From the depinguinator page:

After waiting for the system to reboot, SSH back in; FreeBSD is now running in a memory disk; so now you can slice, partition, and create file systems on the hard drive(s) and install FreeBSD however you wish.

So it doesn't actually install FreeBSD. It runs a live FreeBSD system from where you can install.

How is it different from booting the FreeBSD install cd?

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RE: Can't get the purpose of it
by nullpt on Wed 30th Jan 2008 00:52 UTC in reply to "Can't get the purpose of it"
nullpt Member since:
2006-10-20

You can do it 30000 miles away with no hands on ;)

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RE[2]: Can't get the purpose of it
by usr0 on Wed 30th Jan 2008 00:56 UTC in reply to "RE: Can't get the purpose of it"
usr0 Member since:
2006-10-27

You can do it 30000 miles away with no hands on ;)


To be that far away is not possible on earth ;)

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RE[3]: Can't get the purpose of it
by leech on Wed 30th Jan 2008 01:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Can't get the purpose of it"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

That just means that NASA can install FreeBSD over Linux on their robots on Mars if they feel so inclined ;)

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elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

That just means that NASA can install FreeBSD over Linux on their robots on Mars if they feel so inclined ;)


I'm not normally one to add gratuitous comments, but I have to say ++ here. I like a laugh. ;)

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CodeMonkey Member since:
2005-09-22

"You can do it 30000 miles away with no hands on ;)
To be that far away is not possible on earth ;) "

Perhaps not as the crow flies, but as the packets route 30k miles is much more achievable. ;-)

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RE[2]: Can't get the purpose of it
by Googol on Wed 30th Jan 2008 10:00 UTC in reply to "RE: Can't get the purpose of it"
Googol Member since:
2006-11-24

No, you can't.

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RE: Can't get the purpose of it
by Oliver on Wed 30th Jan 2008 09:44 UTC in reply to "Can't get the purpose of it"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Take your live cd and try it remotely =)

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a catchy title
by roger64 on Wed 30th Jan 2008 02:08 UTC
roger64
Member since:
2006-08-15

the name is very nice, even funny.

other things, well why not....

But the real thing to build is the "dewindowsgator"

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RE: a catchy title
by broken_symlink on Wed 30th Jan 2008 02:35 UTC in reply to "a catchy title"
broken_symlink Member since:
2005-07-06

I didn't realize we would need a "gator" to install another os over windows! ;-D

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v Broken for 3 years ...
by Moulinneuf on Wed 30th Jan 2008 05:30 UTC
RE: Broken for 3 years ...
by BluenoseJake on Wed 30th Jan 2008 14:38 UTC in reply to "Broken for 3 years ..."
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Why should the core developers maintain something they didn't write, and are not interested in. They are concerned with writing FreeBSD.

It's the same as Ubuntu not supporting Automatix, It's useful, but it's also dangerous. If I was the FreeBSd devs, I would not support a 3rd party installation script, they have their own installer to support.

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RE[2]: Broken for 3 years ...
by mwndk on Wed 30th Jan 2008 17:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Broken for 3 years ..."
mwndk Member since:
2005-07-27

You should not waste your time in commenting comments where the commenter obviously does not get the point.

But this news is more or less a flamebait by it self, but it is one damn cool flamebait.

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RE[3]: Broken for 3 years ...
by BluenoseJake on Wed 30th Jan 2008 17:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Broken for 3 years ..."
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

You should not waste your time in commenting comments where the commenter obviously does not get the point.

But this news is more or less a flamebait by it self, but it is one damn cool flamebait.


I had some time to waste....

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RE[2]: Broken for 3 years ...
by Oliver on Wed 30th Jan 2008 18:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Broken for 3 years ..."
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Just for the record, the author of this script is a long time FreeBSD developer.

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RE[3]: Broken for 3 years ...
by BluenoseJake on Wed 30th Jan 2008 18:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Broken for 3 years ..."
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

That doesn't mean that FreeBSD.org wants to be responsible for, and support such a hack, even if it is a very cool hack (and it is)

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v RE[4]: Broken for 3 years ...
by Moulinneuf on Thu 31st Jan 2008 16:11 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Broken for 3 years ..."
RE[5]: Broken for 3 years ...
by BluenoseJake on Thu 31st Jan 2008 17:52 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Broken for 3 years ..."
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

"Simply put your either a fool or a BSD for not adopting , using , supporting or doing something that help your project adoption or platform adoption."

Uh, I don't really see how this would really help FreeBSD that much, and they have the right to decide how they want things done.

"Thats the point precisely , bunch of irressponsible people complaining how they are always behind everyone else because of a bunch of self invented excuses ..."

I don't really hear that from the BSD's, maybe Theo, but he doesn't speak for everyone. And it is irresponsible to officially support a script that can change a computers OS remotely. I think it's pretty dangerous, and there are better ways (not easier) to build a FreeBSD system.

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v RE[6]: Broken for 3 years ...
by Moulinneuf on Thu 31st Jan 2008 18:48 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Broken for 3 years ..."
RE[7]: Broken for 3 years ...
by BluenoseJake on Thu 31st Jan 2008 19:59 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Broken for 3 years ..."
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

"Right , project leaders speak only for themself and everyone is jumping in to tell him he is wrong .."

Theo is only project leader for OpenBSD. Not FreeBSD, NetBSD, or any other BSD.

"BSD security is best handled by letting other's handle it , and that it stay broken ... People have trouble installing BSD but yet a tool that could help change that is best left hidden for **pseudo** security sake ?

BSD logic at work here. ( Meaning it's illogical )"

That is a ridiculous argument.

"Shock , horror , gasp !! Something that install a FreeBSD system remotely over GNU/Linux to help with replacing it that is easier !!!"

It's bad practice, if you ask me. If something goes wrong, you aren't there to fix it, and then you have no options left, you have a hosed system instead of a working one, and you aren't even there to fix it. It's a stupid idea.

"People don't believe me when I say the BSD are against having more people using BSD or make life easier for those who want to try it but don't know how."

People don't believe you because you make arguments with no real information to back them up. For people who want to use BSD in a more Linux like manner, there is DesktopBSD, PC-BSD and others.

Contrary to popular belief, a graphical installer does not magically make an OS easier to install. BSD is already quite easy to install, just as easy as Windows 2000 or XP, and adding applications is very easy. I would like to see a live-cd, and hopefully that will come.

The changes in FreeBSD has been immense since I started using it (FreeBSD 4.9) They are moving forward, and making good progress.

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RE[4]: Broken for 3 years ...
by Oliver on Thu 31st Jan 2008 16:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Broken for 3 years ..."
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Of course not, but that isn't the topic. But apart from that, most of his "hacks" are in FreeBSD now ;-)

Edited 2008-01-31 16:35 UTC

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How well does it work?
by irbis on Wed 30th Jan 2008 08:23 UTC
irbis
Member since:
2005-07-08

Has anybody tested this thing? So does it actually work without too many errors and headaches? Anyway, I'm sure it would be wiser to just do a clean install of FreeeBSD and then maybe move some files and some configurations from Linux by hand. But Depenguinator looks like an an interesting experiment nevertheless.

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RE: How well does it work?
by Oliver on Wed 30th Jan 2008 09:42 UTC in reply to "How well does it work?"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

It worked back in 2003 and it works today.

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Purpose
by nullpt on Wed 30th Jan 2008 12:26 UTC
nullpt
Member since:
2006-10-20

Basically this piece of software is very useful when your ISP doesn't install freebsd or charges you extra to get someone to install freebsd on your server. Or simply when some friend asks you to exorcise some tuxie at his place and you don't want to get your geek butt out of home.

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