Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Mar 2008 16:21 UTC, submitted by SReilly
SCO, Caldera, Unixware The SCO Group plans to emerge from Chapter 11 soon and revealed that not only will it modify its business strategy towards mobile products, it will also replace chief executive officer Darl McBride and pick up the Linux and Unix license lawsuits against IBM and Novell. The new owner of The SCO Group, investment firm Stephen Norris Capital Partners, is planning to open a new chapter in SCO's Linux lawsuit history, which started back in March of 2003 when the company filed a USD 1 billion suit against IBM. As part of its plan organization, SCO announced that it will appeal the proceedings, which will begin with an appeal against a key decision in favor of Novell from August 10, 2007, which also impacts the lawsuit against IBM.
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Oh the humanity
by B. Janssen on Thu 6th Mar 2008 17:17 UTC
B. Janssen
Member since:
2006-10-11

*sigh* Some people never learn.

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And I thought it was all over.
by SReilly on Thu 6th Mar 2008 17:19 UTC
SReilly
Member since:
2006-12-28

It just goes to show that some people never learn.

SCO's focus on the mobile space would be a shrewed move if they actually had anything to offer. Over the last few years, especially since McBride, SCO haven't actually produced anything worthy of investor interest, so I don't understand why SNCP would gamble that cash on appealing a technicality in the Novell case.

What is really interesting, at least for me, is that SCO are only getting $5M, the other $95M is optional over the next 5 years and comes with a 17% over prime price tag attached. So what do they do? Instead of using that sum to try and get a descent revenue stream going, they decided to fire the guy who got them into this in the first place and then continue fighting the case that almost bankrupted them! WTF!

It just doesn't make sense to me, unless SNCP have something else in mind for SCO.

Reply Score: 5

fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

This topic reminds me of the whole Palestinian/Israeli fighting going on. The Palestinians just never learn... you WON'T win. You CAN'T win.


And I suppose you forgot to add the obvious - "and neither can the Israeli's". No problem, we all forget things...

But back on topic, I agree that the continued pyrrhic battle to sue EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH is probably not a sound business strategy for SCO. It must sound good to the suits, though. I guess there's just something pleasant sounding about Mom, Apple Pie and Lawsuits to some business people.

Reply Score: 5

SReilly Member since:
2006-12-28

Wow, I don't know what to say.

I think your statement is in exceedingly bad taste. I don't understand how you can equate copyright and patent trolls, who are too stupid to know when to just drop it, with a an ethnic conflict that happens to involve two unmatched peoples fighting for what they consider to be their right and also their lives.

Dude, one costs money and is pretty pointless, the other one costs lives! It doesn't get any more serious than that!

Reply Score: 13

Phloptical Member since:
2006-10-10

Actually, I think the comparison of SCO v. Linux and Palestine v. Israel is quite accurate. We'll leave out the ignorant "Palestinians WON'T win." comment because that just reeks of "I get my thoughts from Fox News, and have none of my own."

Let's put it this way, just as the US is funding/backing Israel (aka, the only reason that country/state even exists), the SCO group is being funded by <insert very large corporate by-proxy funding here> You all can draw your own conclusions as to whom that particular corporation may, or may not, be.

There is no way the SCO group (or any other American corporation filing Chpt. 11) should be let off the hook. This is exactly the reason why the US is in the lending turmoil it's in. Companies can borrow millions and millions, file Chapter 11, and then resume under a new moniker relatively free from any liability from previous debtors. Those at the top of the company should be made to pay their debts, whether they're dissolving the company that's filed, or while earning a paycheck in a new venture.

</end soapbox>

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Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

So now you want to compare Israel to SCO? It's as equally bad ;)

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gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

You know, I was about to ignore this stupid Israel vs. Palestine sub thread completely when I saw your post.
Beyond being -wildly- OT, you (as in all the people that somehow joined this sub-thread) seem to have zero (0) understanding on what you're talking about. (And I do mean both sides: Fox news and CNN viewers alike)

Can you quote, from memory, the number of nations that are part of the Arab Israeli conflict? How many wars have we (occupants of the middle east) seen in the last 100 years? Can you name at least two major powers that were saw active combat in middle eastern wars? How about religions - Can you tell the difference between Syria, Jordan and Iran? How about HAMMAS vs FATAH? Can you tell me what divides them vs. what unites them?

I'm willing to bet good money that my knowledge of the American (and European) history far exceeds your apparently meager middle-eastern history knowledge by a mile or two.

... So before you go and compare my home to SCO, at least take the time to know what the hell you're talking about.

Now can someone delete/lock this sub-thread?

- Gilboa, Israel.

Edited 2008-03-07 17:11 UTC

Reply Score: 6

Phloptical Member since:
2006-10-10

Actually, I never started this topic, but thanks for asking.

I'm sorry an entire region of the world hates your country's guts, but guess what.....they hate ours too. Mainly because we back yours. If you don't want to believe that, then fine. In this country you're entitled to your own opinion.

And while we're on the topic of Tea in China, what do you think about the Roger Clemens Fiasco? Troubling, isn't it?

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gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

Actually, I never started this topic, but thanks for asking.

I'm sorry an entire region of the world hates your country's guts, but guess what.....they hate ours too. Mainly because we back yours. If you don't want to believe that, then fine. In this country you're entitled to your own opinion.

And while we're on the topic of Tea in China, what do you think about the Roger Clemens Fiasco? Troubling, isn't it?


So, let me see.
In my view, you had two reasonable options:
A. Leaving my post unanswered - letting this (unbelievably unrelated) sub-thread die. (AKA "The wise choice")
B. Answering my (trivial) questions - one by one, showing off you're in-depth knowledge in middle-eastern history and geography. (...)

... Instead, you offered some fake sympathy, further pushing your unrelated/unfounded/etc opinion coupled with some unrelated American base-ball trivia.
In short, you more or less proven my point. Thanks.

Now can we let this sub-thread die? Or are you just dieing to shove some deep American-idol-like insight down my throat?

- Gilboa

Reply Score: 2

Phloptical Member since:
2006-10-10

You actually watch American Idol? How sad. I thought the Clemens thing was rather kind of funny. I guess you're too angry to see the humor.

I'm sorry if I didn't answer all your questions since you thought they were so pointed. I guess they are, for 8th grade world history pop-quizzes. I mean, excuse me if I don't regurgitate the "Trivial Pursuit - Middle East Edition" because someone ordered me to. You said something about 100 years of wars. What's the point of reference? You guys have only existed as a nation since '47, or '49 depending on the source. Believe me, I'm for claiming independence and all, but you got to admit, a world body coming into somebody's country (or former territory) and carving out another country can't make for friendly relations with the neighbors. Especially if the neighbors kinda believe in the same stuff that former occupants of the aforementioned territory believe in. I mean, if I started claiming half of my neighbor's ground as my own, and then using the police to protect me and justify it, I'd think the rest of the neighborhood would be a little miffed too.

I agree, we should let this thread die. I have the feeling that you and I will be arguing two sides of the same point, in time. And that, to me, is a waste of time.

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trenchsol Member since:
2006-12-07

I don't think they have a choice. If they give up they are going to lose a lot of money. And I don't think that IBM and Novell are going to let them go so easily. I think that they will lose whatever they do.

Reply Score: 2

Time Marches On
by PLan on Thu 6th Mar 2008 17:37 UTC
PLan
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2006-01-10

I really find it hard to believe this is still dragging on after all these years. I used to visit Groklaw daily and read the documents and hear the accounts of people who actually visited the courtroom, now I can't be bothered.

I suppose "The wheels of justice grind slow (oh, so slowly), but they grind exceedingly fine." is apt.

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Bobthearch
Member since:
2006-01-27

McBride "regrets" that he is being "pushed out" of the company. "Clearly when we draw up a battle plan for what we've been working for the last several years, trying to get SCO's intellectual property rights fought through in the courts and the marketplace, the endgame didn't have this sort of outcome for me personally,"

No one would have to throw me off a burning ship.

What I can't figure out, SNCP's motivation. Maybe a phony deal that'll fall through at the last second, a last-ditch effort to pump-and-dump the worthless stock?

Edited 2008-03-06 18:10 UTC

Reply Score: 2

*Sigh*
by pandronic on Thu 6th Mar 2008 18:23 UTC
pandronic
Member since:
2006-05-18

Just die damn it, and stay dead!

Reply Score: 9

oh...
by helf on Thu 6th Mar 2008 18:39 UTC
helf
Member since:
2005-07-06

COME OOOON. gah, do we have to go through this AGAIN?

Throwing money down the tubes (well, lawyer wallets, same difference). Big Blue will just CRUSH them.

I hope to god IBM systematically disassembles SCO this time. IBM probably spends more on electricity bills each month than the new SCO has in total assets.

They won't stand a chance.

Reply Score: 4

Oh.
by DigitalAxis on Thu 6th Mar 2008 18:51 UTC
DigitalAxis
Member since:
2005-08-28

That's... great. For rather curious definitions of 'great'

And here I thought this was over and done with.

Reply Score: 2

Season 2
by stestagg on Thu 6th Mar 2008 18:54 UTC
stestagg
Member since:
2006-06-03

As season 1 of SCO came to it's dramatic end, the producers realised that there were enough viewers to enable them to script a second season.

Killing off one of the lead actors was quite a dramatic move though, I hope people will still feel themselves able to identify with the characters.

Edited 2008-03-06 18:55 UTC

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RE: Season 2
by helf on Thu 6th Mar 2008 19:00 UTC in reply to "Season 2"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

My gosh, that's what this is. An attempt at a bad Lifetime tv series for real...

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RE[2]: Season 2
by stestagg on Thu 6th Mar 2008 19:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Season 2"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

Well, joking aside, I imagine that there are a number of *very* happy lawyers and judges out there at the moment, planning where exactly they want buy their 3rd holiday home.

Reply Score: 4

RE: Season 2
by fretinator on Thu 6th Mar 2008 19:11 UTC in reply to "Season 2"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

It's Survivor - SCO Island

The difference is nobody survives. The last one on the Island gets to turn out the lights!

--------------------------------------------------

The amazing thing to me is this:
All the employees will lose their jobs. The investors will lose any money they invested.

And yet whole teams of lawyers will walk off with green lining their pockets. What a system!

Reply Score: 4

RE: Season 2
by StephenBeDoper on Thu 6th Mar 2008 19:55 UTC in reply to "Season 2"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Nooo! First LOST goes and kills off the Rock-n-Roll hobbit, now SCO has killed off the Mormon Con-man - and they were my two favourite characters, damn it!

Oh well, at least the CSI: SCO spin-off should be entertaining.

Edited 2008-03-06 19:56 UTC

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Season 2
by stestagg on Thu 6th Mar 2008 19:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Season 2"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

now CSI : Lost *would* be interesting to see

Reply Score: 2

Comment by Redeeman
by Redeeman on Thu 6th Mar 2008 19:49 UTC
Redeeman
Member since:
2006-03-23

you know.. some time ago i was in a mall, and they had bikes.. SCO bikes.. yeah thats right, it was labelled SCO, and whats more, it was a "discontinuation" sale..

i thought: "hey, i guess THATS what darl meant with mobility.." but well..

(btw, this is actually true)

Reply Score: 2

TV series?
by bolomkxxviii on Thu 6th Mar 2008 20:04 UTC
bolomkxxviii
Member since:
2006-05-19

Actually, zombies never die, so the CEO will be back next season. Lets see, Lost, CSI, Survivor, Resident Evil. Sounds like the right mix for SCO.

Reply Score: 2

The best news IBM could get.
by Earl Colby pottinger on Thu 6th Mar 2008 20:10 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

Until now IBM has been fighting SCO not to protect Linux, but to protect itself. If it had given in and done a buyout you could bet all sorts of sharks would follow up hoping to get a sweet deal also.

But IBM always knew that they would never make back their money off SCO (SCO knew this too, thus their hope for a buyout), but now these investors are not only pumping money into SCO but in becoming partners with SCO open their own assets up.

Now IBM's lawyers not only see blood, they see money, lots of money, $100 million just for starters. If anything these idiots just gave IBM all the more reason to take SCO apart and suck it dry.

Reply Score: 5

oh well
by Mellin on Thu 6th Mar 2008 20:16 UTC
Mellin
Member since:
2005-07-06

here we go again

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Die SCO Die ....
by silicon on Fri 7th Mar 2008 03:40 UTC
silicon
Member since:
2005-07-30

SCO is just like the freakin' monster (the one you see in the movies) that never dies.

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RE: Die SCO Die ....
by sbergman27 on Fri 7th Mar 2008 07:43 UTC in reply to "Die SCO Die ...."
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

SCO is just like the freakin' monster (the one you see in the movies) that never dies.


And about as relevant to our daily lives. In the beginning, the SCO thing was supposed to be about Linux. It never was, really. SCO's PR campaign made it sound like it was going to be, of course. But it turned out to be a contractual dispute, and has been only that for a very long time now.

I suspect that if Groklaw weren't still stirring the pot so hard, we'd see very few news reports about this case. It's really not very interesting news at this point. Even if SCO somehow miraculously won something, which is highly unlikely, it would have no real practical impact on Linux.

I think that we continue to watch the SCO cases for much the same reason as we watch the horror films; We want to see it when the monster's head gets chopped of with an ax and goes flying into the lake, as the body stagers and falls to the ground, and then sinks in like it was quicksand.

Now, what would be *really* cool is if IBM, Novell, or the SEC came up with a good reason for a court to pierce the corporate veil and go straight after Darl, Chris and the others personally.

Reply Score: 1

None shall pass
by hhas on Fri 7th Mar 2008 10:18 UTC
hhas
Member since:
2006-11-28

"Look you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left!"
"Yes I have."
"Look!"
"It's just a flesh wound."

Reply Score: 5

Why won't you die??!!?
by jebb on Fri 7th Mar 2008 21:46 UTC
jebb
Member since:
2006-07-06

Somebody give George Romero a call, he's got all he needs for a movie there.

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