Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Apr 2008 20:57 UTC, submitted by Coldfirex
SkyOS The SkyOS team has released build 6915. "This build features the complete new software store as well as the new viewer supporting location favorites and a query panel. Additionally the new C++ API got a lot of new features like Job support, HTTP download, etc. Just take a loot at this video to see the new features in action."
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it keeps going and going and....
by poundsmack on Wed 2nd Apr 2008 21:09 UTC
poundsmack
Member since:
2005-07-13

i am constantly amazed on what is being put into this OS. i am anxiously awaiting the final 5 version. man has it come along way since the 4 days haha. the future is now!

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primelight@live.com Member since:
2008-03-19

The want me to pay up to even try the damn thing?

MUUUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Yes, they have not released the final version nor a trial livecd yet and as such, you have to pay to be able to get to try it. But paying that one-time-fee allows you to use any upcoming releases all the way to the final release. If that doesn't sound like a good deal to you then you are clearly not the target audience. Your loss, I'd say.

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

"Your loss, I'd say."

I am one of the idiots who paid to be a beta tester.
If I hadn't, I wouldn't have lost anything, excepting for satisfying my curiosity.

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islander Member since:
2007-04-11

Give the guy a break.Its not a kill-cow donation and the end product is free to those who paid up for the testing.

If anything its well deserved.

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Alex Forster Member since:
2005-08-12

All money goes toward the various costs associated with development (hosting, hardware for testing, etc). No one is paid. And, as was said, you also get the final version once it is released.

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Looking good
by liamdawe on Wed 2nd Apr 2008 21:15 UTC
liamdawe
Member since:
2006-07-04

A small release by it's usual standards but the small features are extremely useful i look forward to testing it as usual ;)

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Not a lot has changed.
by Alex Forster on Wed 2nd Apr 2008 22:27 UTC
Alex Forster
Member since:
2005-08-12

Compared to the usual degree of difference between betas, there is not much worth mentioning with this release. It appears to me that it was a "fill the gap" release between this and the next beta, which will be a pretty complete rewrite of the entire 'kernel' (from what I gather, this includes basically all of SkyOS, sans the various GUI and ported apps, which admittedly make up a large portion of the codebase). It has been in developent for quite a while already, and is the reason that there has not been lot to report in SkyOS land. It will not premiere in a beta for at least a few more months.

Edited 2008-04-02 22:28 UTC

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RE: Not a lot has changed.
by ari-free on Wed 2nd Apr 2008 22:39 UTC in reply to "Not a lot has changed."
ari-free Member since:
2007-01-22

what are some of the objectives and features of the new kernel to justify a rewrite?

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RE[2]: Not a lot has changed.
by Darkness on Wed 2nd Apr 2008 23:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Not a lot has changed."
Darkness Member since:
2005-08-27

I think one majer reason is speed and restructure the kernel to allow integration of new features (like swap support) that would require a lot of work in the current kernel.

Now there is being taken care of that these features are well designed from the start.

I can't say to much about it but keep an eye on the site ;)

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RE[2]: Not a lot has changed.
by Alex Forster on Wed 2nd Apr 2008 23:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Not a lot has changed."
Alex Forster Member since:
2005-08-12

As any programmer will tell you, you're constantly gaining knowledge and technique. It's the very definition of experience. Not that Robert wasn't a brilliant coder years ago, but the current kernel's code quality can't compare to some of the code he has been producing recently. The kernel is essentially being "brought up to speed" with the rest of the system, some of which is still from the SkyOS 3.x days.

Briefly,

1) Unbelievable performance improvements. Scheduling is many orders of magnitude faster now that it's being done in software. One measurable metric I've heard from Robert was that thread creation went from tens-per-second to tens-of-thousands-per-second. Applications will start up seconds faster, boot time will be cut in half, etc. SkyOS will blaze.

2) Scalable driver framework. The driver API in SkyOS, as it exists now, is very ruidmentary. The new API will somehow be better, though I can't tell you specifically how. All I know is that many, many more drivers will begin to be introduced after the new kernel is put into production.

3) More features. Mostly C++ (where it doesn't hamper performance). Support for SMP/Hyper-Threading. Faster and more accurate timing. Kernel-level VESA support (allowing for graphical display immediately after POST). Better memory management. Architecture abstraction. Etc.

Edited 2008-04-02 23:24 UTC

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RE[3]: Not a lot has changed.
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 08:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not a lot has changed."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

As any programmer will tell you, you're constantly gaining knowledge and technique. It's the very definition of experience. Not that Robert wasn't a brilliant coder years ago, but the current kernel's code quality can't compare to some of the code he has been producing recently. The kernel is essentially being "brought up to speed" with the rest of the system, some of which is still from the SkyOS 3.x days.


Well put, Alex. I've actually read the documentation on the new kernel, and it sounds very, very promising. The supposed speed gains as detailed in those docs are nothing short of astounding, and I must say, I'm looking forward to it. While responsive and fast, SkyOS always had this undefinable 'slothness' to it - I can't really put my finger on it though.

Let's hope the new kernel fixes that.

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RE: Not a lot has changed.
by Gryzor on Wed 2nd Apr 2008 23:13 UTC in reply to "Not a lot has changed."
Gryzor Member since:
2005-07-03

Rewrite the whole kernel again?!?!? LOL
It will be Beta Forever then!

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Comment by razor85
by razor85 on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 00:00 UTC
razor85
Member since:
2006-12-08

how is support for 3d hardware (read nvidia, ati and intel)?

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RE: Comment by razor85
by adamk on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 00:03 UTC in reply to "Comment by razor85"
adamk Member since:
2005-07-08

Nonexistant

Adam

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Looks good!
by PJBonoVox on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 08:21 UTC
PJBonoVox
Member since:
2006-08-14

Now all they have to do is get rid of the _hideous_ default skin!

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RE: Looks good!
by liamdawe on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 10:33 UTC in reply to "Looks good!"
liamdawe Member since:
2006-07-04

Well your not wrong there, it does have a new theme engine on it from a previous version, hopefuly someone will step up and make a better one, i may even do it eventually.

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RE[2]: Looks good!
by Darkness on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 11:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Looks good!"
Darkness Member since:
2005-08-27

if you wait one or 2 days, you will get an extra tool that makes it possible to create themes without needing skyos to modify datacollections. People can just copy a theme and change it in windows then. I would say, give it your best ;)

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RE: Looks good!
by RawMustard on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 13:02 UTC in reply to "Looks good!"
RawMustard Member since:
2005-10-10

It could never look worse than Ubuntu?

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At this point...
by madcrow on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 15:49 UTC
madcrow
Member since:
2006-03-13

...SkyOS just plain doesn't interest me anymore. Open source OSes like Syllable are at a similar stage of development, while also having the advantage of being free for anyone to try out and help out with.

And the there's also Haiku and AROS which are both kickass in their own right, even if they're somewhat less "original"

Edited 2008-04-03 15:55 UTC

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Feature freeze
by A30Guy on Fri 4th Apr 2008 00:26 UTC
A30Guy
Member since:
2005-07-06

I like SkyOS, have no problem with contributing some $ to help development, and think Robert has done some amazing work.
But I think the constant beta program is working against SkyOS' interests. It seems to be a continually moving feast.
In my opinion, it would be better to get a Version 1.0 release "out there", even if it doesn't have a new kernel or the other new features that are being planned.
Plan for the future by all means, but solve the bugs, quirks and inconsistencies first, then get it out to the public.
Just a suggestion.

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Not a happy user
by mounty on Fri 4th Apr 2008 01:07 UTC
mounty
Member since:
2005-12-12

I paid to join the beta programme but the only machine on which I could install SkyOS was a laptop with no serial port (MSI S270). SkyOS uses the serial port for debugging.

When it wouldn't boot properly, I sent Robert around 30 photographs of kernel debugging screens and tried various boot options as he requested. Then he ceased communication, my account was cancelled, but the beta fee was not refunded.

It's only a few Euros, it's not worth chasing, but it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth to be defrauded like that.

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RE: Not a happy user
by WereCatf on Fri 4th Apr 2008 01:12 UTC in reply to "Not a happy user"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

When it wouldn't boot properly, I sent Robert around 30 photographs of kernel debugging screens and tried various boot options as he requested. Then he ceased communication, my account was cancelled, but the beta fee was not refunded.

Wow, that sure sounds like a nasty thing to do :O I have no idea what Robert has in his mind but I don't really feel you either have any reason to lie here.

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RE: Not a happy user
by Coldfirex on Fri 4th Apr 2008 01:29 UTC in reply to "Not a happy user"
Coldfirex Member since:
2005-12-04

I would post this in the SkyOS forums to get this figured, if it hasnt already been looked at.

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RE: Not a happy user
by Robert on Fri 4th Apr 2008 06:38 UTC in reply to "Not a happy user"
Robert Member since:
2005-07-06

We never canceled any account and never will do so. Please contact me via email to get this issue solved. (me wonders why you didn't already)

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RE[2]: Not a happy user
by mounty on Fri 4th Apr 2008 12:45 UTC in reply to "RE: Not a happy user"
mounty Member since:
2005-12-12

I did email you Robert, before posting here, at 00:27 GMT on 3 April.

Edited 2008-04-04 12:47 UTC

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SkyOS
by Andre on Fri 4th Apr 2008 19:17 UTC
Andre
Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm not that active in the SkyOS community anymore.
But I will try every beta release, and I still think
Robert is doing a great job creating SkyOS.

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