Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 22:27 UTC
Gentoo The first beta of Gentoo Linux 2008.0 has been released. "You can help make 2008.0 amazing! Test out this beta and report any functionality issues you encounter. Since this is the first beta, we're looking only for bugs in functionality, not bugs in appearance such as desktop backgrounds or other artwork. We expect to release a second beta once your testing has helped us fix problems with this first beta. A migration to RPM was carefully considered again for this release, but in the end we decided to wait for the few remaining RPM-using distributions to migrate to the superior packaging format of ebuilds."
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Features?
by ebasconp on Thu 3rd Apr 2008 23:48 UTC
ebasconp
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2006-05-09

Hi:

I have a Gentoo 2007.0 box installed at home and I like a lot this distro.

Anyway, is there some URL where I can find information about what features will this release include?

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RE: Features?
by Sodki on Fri 4th Apr 2008 00:05 UTC in reply to "Features?"
Sodki Member since:
2005-11-10

Gentoo's releases, generally speaking, are only updated versions of the installation methods and profiles. If you already have Gentoo installed, then you already have the latest things Gentoo can offer. "Gentoo 2008" won't bring nothing new to you.

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Comment by dizzey
by dizzey on Fri 4th Apr 2008 00:16 UTC
dizzey
Member since:
2005-10-15

Just want to point out that gentoo 2008 beta was released
on april 1. =)
that way the release note makes more sense

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Old gcc version?
by da_Chicken on Fri 4th Apr 2008 00:45 UTC
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2006-01-01

Just checked the DistroWatch page for Gentoo. It says that the gcc version is 3.4.6 in both Gentoo stable and unstable. That seems a bit old, since even Debian stable (that was released a year ago) has gcc version 4.1.1. Maybe the DistroWatch page is not quite up-to-date?

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RE: Old gcc version?
by WereCatf on Fri 4th Apr 2008 00:48 UTC in reply to "Old gcc version?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Just checked the DistroWatch page for Gentoo. It says that the gcc version is 3.4.6 in both Gentoo stable and unstable. That seems a bit old, since even Debian stable (that was released a year ago) has gcc version 4.1.1. Maybe the DistroWatch page is not quite up-to-date?

Not quite! ;) No, I can't even remember when I used 3.4.6 the last time :3

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RE[2]: Old gcc version?
by nilkki on Fri 4th Apr 2008 09:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Old gcc version?"
nilkki Member since:
2007-10-26

I guess you don't use qemu? Since it compiles only on 3.x...

sorry, had to say it!

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RE: Old gcc version?
by Sodki on Fri 4th Apr 2008 01:02 UTC in reply to "Old gcc version?"
Sodki Member since:
2005-11-10

Just checked the DistroWatch page for Gentoo. It says that the gcc version is 3.4.6 in both Gentoo stable and unstable.

That's wrong. The stable version is 4.1.2, the unstable version is 4.2.3 and 4.3.0 is also on the tree, for the Indiana Jones type of user.

Check here: http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-devel/gcc

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RE[2]: Old gcc version?
by da_Chicken on Fri 4th Apr 2008 02:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Old gcc version?"
da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

Yeah, I know that the package version tracking for different distros on DistroWatch is automatically generated by some scripts, and sometimes they fail to get the accurate data.

Thanks WereCatf and Sodki for providing more up-to-date info. I thought it would be strange for a source-based distro like Gentoo to use an old version of gcc. ;)

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RPM?
by John Blink on Fri 4th Apr 2008 07:29 UTC
John Blink
Member since:
2005-10-11

I am not in the know about anything new Gentoo.

I installed once upon a time.

What do they mean about superior RPM?

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RE: RPM?
by csasso on Fri 4th Apr 2008 10:34 UTC in reply to "RPM?"
csasso Member since:
2007-02-27

They are saying it in a sarcastic tone, chris

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What about hardened?
by abraxas on Fri 4th Apr 2008 09:46 UTC
abraxas
Member since:
2005-07-07

I wonder if there is even going to be a hardened profile. I'm a little upset that there seems to be no one working on hardened anymore. There are so many features in the 2.6.24 kernel that I can't take advantage of because a 2.6.24 hardened kernel has yet to be released and it is doubtful that anyone will create another pieworld overlay for gcc 4.3. All I really want from Gentoo are those two things.

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RE: What about hardened?
by kerframil on Sun 6th Apr 2008 20:41 UTC in reply to "What about hardened?"
kerframil Member since:
2005-07-13

A 2.6.24 patchset has been finalised and put forward as a candidate for release. For further information:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/216612

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some shots
by lqsh on Fri 4th Apr 2008 12:55 UTC
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2007-01-01
RE: some shots
by Sodki on Sat 5th Apr 2008 01:46 UTC in reply to "some shots"
Sodki Member since:
2005-11-10

Gentoo doesn't have official screenshots because every user configures his system in a different way. Those screenshots don't mean nothing to me as a Gentoo user.

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RE[2]: some shots
by adapt on Sat 5th Apr 2008 05:17 UTC in reply to "RE: some shots"
adapt Member since:
2005-07-06

hahaha. oh really? welcome to the world of unix.

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RE: some shots
by John Blink on Sat 5th Apr 2008 23:40 UTC in reply to "some shots"
John Blink Member since:
2005-10-11

Wow!

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RE: some shots
by Ejdesgaard on Sun 6th Apr 2008 14:09 UTC in reply to "some shots"
Ejdesgaard Member since:
2008-04-06

hi, your comment title is just perfect ;) it's just _some_ pics...

imo. the only important stuff on a gentoo cd is that there is a updated kernel, and NIC drivers for nearly any NIC ;)
All that GUI stuff is just eye-candy in the installation phase, and slows down the boot process:P

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superiour package system?
by yahya on Sun 6th Apr 2008 17:20 UTC
yahya
Member since:
2007-03-29

After testing Gentoo for a while, I cannot agree that Gentoo's ebuilds are truly superiour, at least not as long as realiability and robustness are priorities.

ebuilds give you full freedom to shoot yourself into the foot, whenever you want. There seems to be no protection against the removal of packages, which are depended upon by other installed packages. There is no protection against breaking things by updating dependencies to versions, that the dependend packages do not work with. And so forth. In terms of package management this seems to be far behind anything what modern package management systems do.

Well, of course, after wrecking your system you can still run a script which repairs broken dependencies through lengthy tests. But, really, if this is necessary, something essential is wrong.

Of course, the ability to tailor every detail of the system to your needs is tempting, but probably more for hobbyists than for those who rely on functioning systems for their daily work. And the benefit of an 8 hours compilation run for the latest OpenOffice.org over the installation of a binary package which takes not more than two minutes is absolutely marginal and doesn't seem worth the price, taken into account that you will have to repeat this for every single minor bugfix release. Also let's not forget the energy that your computer eats during those daily compilation orgies. Quite the opposite of an eco-friendly OS, it would seem.

Further I was negatively surprised by the outdatedness of Gentoo stable. I thought that it would at least reward the diciples with the latest and greatest of everything, however GNOME was still more than half a year behind and many other packages were also severly outdated. On Debian this isn't a big issue, as you can always do "aptitude --t [unstable,experimental] install {whateveryouwant}, however on Gentoo you have to unlock every single package and do lots of other voodoo to get what you want.

Again, this is probably a great OS for hobbyists, but for professional use, I don't believe that the result is worth the effort it takes.

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RE: superiour package system?
by Ejdesgaard on Mon 7th Apr 2008 20:36 UTC in reply to "superiour package system?"
Ejdesgaard Member since:
2008-04-06

Hi yahya...
I can see your point, but i don't totaly agree...

First of all... if you use 8 hours to compile OOo-2.3 then i suggest that you either update your hardware or use DSL ;)

You talk about the trubble about running a testing system, if you wanna run a complete testing system, then add accept_keywords ~[arch] in make.conf.. that isn't too hard ;)

Since i don't use GNOME, i don't know how often it is updated, but kde-3.5.X and kde-4.0.X is relatively fast in the tree 4.0 as testing tho...

You can't see a gentoo box in a professional enviroment.
imo. if ppl know what they are doing, and wanna know what is on their systems, Gentoo is a good candidate.
But ofc. if you just wanna have some linux box, and are in a hurry, or you don't know mutch about linux, then Gentoo isn't you.

On the eco-friendly part i agree with you. ;)

my conclution... Every *nux is equal, one is just more equal then the others. ;)

Edited 2008-04-07 20:37 UTC

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