Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Apr 2008 20:07 UTC
Microsoft "Earlier this week Nick White, Product Manager for Windows Vista and blogger at WindowsVistaBlog, announced that he was leaving Microsoft. We previously interviewed Nick about what SP1 for Vista was all about, so we sat down with him yesterday to get the details behind his departure, his proudest moments at Microsoft, a few regrettable moments, and more."
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Its all the OS
by WyldStylist on Sat 5th Apr 2008 00:32 UTC
WyldStylist
Member since:
2006-12-30

Vista is the buggiest shit i ever whitnessed. Not all win32 programs work and the xp compatiblity mode is only there for decoration.
If i was giving tech support for that OS i woulda quit too.

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RE: Its all the OS
by hussam on Sat 5th Apr 2008 04:05 UTC in reply to "Its all the OS"
hussam Member since:
2006-08-17

You shouldn't expect windows XP programs to work on Vista.
Whether Vista is crap or not is a totally different issue and it is not why some people didn't like Vista.
Even Linus Torvalds said that people don't like change and the only reason some folks didn't like Vista is that it is different from XP.

I haven't touched windows since 2004. But I don't imagine that Vista is that terrible or worse than XP.

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RE[2]: Its all the OS
by intangible on Sat 5th Apr 2008 06:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Its all the OS"
intangible Member since:
2005-07-06

It's like XP, just slower and there's a million versions of it with different installation keys as the only difference.

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RE[2]: Its all the OS
by sj87 on Sat 5th Apr 2008 08:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Its all the OS"
sj87 Member since:
2007-12-16

You shouldn't expect windows XP programs to work on Vista.
Whether Vista is crap or not is a totally different issue and it is not why some people didn't like Vista.
Even Linus Torvalds said that people don't like change and the only reason some folks didn't like Vista is that it is different from XP.


What is different in Vista compared to XP, is that it uses resources of two XP installations and offers a GUI which is about as much behind the others as XP's Luna was on its debut. I had no serious trouble in finding anything I wanted, only "optimizations" caused problems, since I didn't know (nor could imagine) that disabling one service might break up ten other pretty fundamental services.

I've seen many times a "Vista noob" joining a (IRC) channel and asking how to change his background picture, tune graphics card settings or see network adapter information, etc. in Vista, and then "Vista pros" telling him it happens "just the same way like in XP".

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RE[2]: Its all the OS
by angelochoa on Sat 5th Apr 2008 10:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Its all the OS"
angelochoa Member since:
2006-11-20

Vista is a technical marvel and a commercial failure. Most people who hate it, don't use it. People who use it and hate it, can't appreciate the breaking changes on it.

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RE[2]: Its all the OS
by kaiwai on Sat 5th Apr 2008 13:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Its all the OS"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

You shouldn't expect windows XP programs to work on Vista.
Whether Vista is crap or not is a totally different issue and it is not why some people didn't like Vista.
Even Linus Torvalds said that people don't like change and the only reason some folks didn't like Vista is that it is different from XP.

I haven't touched windows since 2004. But I don't imagine that Vista is that terrible or worse than XP.


The problem is the fact that they knew that reliability and compatible had to be compromised to make atleast some marginal progress forward in Windows (security etc). If they knew that they could promise compatibility - why didn't they just admit that things might go pear shape, include a free copy of Virtual PC along with Windows XP in the form of a bootable image - and be done with it.

The problem isn't the break of compatibility, but the push by them that some how they can move forward without breaking things along the way - and claiming that everything will be right. They should have been more honest, and I'll tell you, sure, the adoption might not have been great, but atleast customers *knew* things could go wrong, and they weren't given the false impression that it was a smooth transition.

Edited 2008-04-05 13:20 UTC

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RE[3]: Its all the OS
by WyldStylist on Sat 5th Apr 2008 19:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Its all the OS"
WyldStylist Member since:
2006-12-30

The whole build is broken why shouldn't i expect xp programs to work on vista? Not expectin them to work on vista is like not expecting win2000 programs to work on xp . win32 programs that crash is nothing i defend Vista for , its only a resource-munching bloated Bad-Build

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RE[4]: Its all the OS
by kaiwai on Sat 5th Apr 2008 23:06 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Its all the OS"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The whole build is broken why shouldn't i expect xp programs to work on vista? Not expectin them to work on vista is like not expecting win2000 programs to work on xp . win32 programs that crash is nothing i defend Vista for , its only a resource-munching bloated Bad-Build


*kaiwai takes a deep breath*

Please, could you put that brain into gear - and learn a thing about programming. You can never guarantee 100% compatibility given the nature of programming - when you move forward there will be applications written to expect a certain underlying operating system behaviour. You have to change that underlying operating system behaviour to move forward, old assumptions change, and have to be replaced with new paradigms.

So please, before opening your mouth and making such grossly ignorant statements - learn how things actually work in the real world instead of sitting behind your computer desk, stamping your feet and saying, "I want it, and I want it now!" followed by a hissey fit.

Yes, Windows Vista does have issues, but those issues are because they over promise the level of compatibility whilst at the same time over promising what they can do within that confined area of which they can operate (compatibility vs. progress forward).

If Microsoft made no compromise, pushed it forward, rooted out the old crap from their operating system and openly declared, "this is a big step forward, expect most of your applications not to work" - sure, there would be complaints, but at least people would know where they stood before investing in a copy of Windows Vista. They would expect breakage and incompatibility with applications, and then work out a migration plan based on application availability.

Edited 2008-04-05 23:08 UTC

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RE[5]: Its all the OS
by ormandj on Sun 6th Apr 2008 05:10 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Its all the OS"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

Ever heard of Solaris? ;) Stability of interfaces doesn't necessitate not moving forward. Look at Solaris 10 vs. Solaris 2.6. You can still run binaries from 2.6 on 10. ;)

That said, because of horrid programming (and horrid programmers who didn't spend the time to DESIGN before implementing), changes that break backwards compatibility are/were necessary in Windows.

I wish they had just thrown it all out and started anew, keeping the good and ditching *all* the bad. They'd have still gotten horrible reviews, but at least there would have been a good reason behind it.

PS - Say what you will about Sun/Solaris, but a lot of programmers could learn something from their design standards. I'm sure we'll see a non-backwards compatible Solaris in the future, it will be a necessary evil - but they've done pretty damn well for having a decade+ of compatibility at the binary level.

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RE: Its all the OS
by BluenoseJake on Sat 5th Apr 2008 12:42 UTC in reply to "Its all the OS"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

You must have missed Windows ME then, lucky you. Vista works, just badly.

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There are 3 links..
by gonzo on Sat 5th Apr 2008 06:18 UTC
gonzo
Member since:
2005-11-10

..in this news post and which one do I click to get to the actual story? It is a bit confusing, maybe something to think about.

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RE: There are 3 links..
by Tias on Sat 5th Apr 2008 10:40 UTC in reply to "There are 3 links.."
Tias Member since:
2008-04-05

Well its a written introduction, so if you just read the text it should be pretty clear which url leads you to what.

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v blibbeldie bleei
by ride01 on Sat 5th Apr 2008 10:49 UTC
v HURF DURF
by ride01 on Sat 5th Apr 2008 11:00 UTC
RE: HURF DURF
by snozzberry on Sat 5th Apr 2008 20:07 UTC in reply to "HURF DURF"
snozzberry Member since:
2005-11-14

I too enjoy Jerkcity, but isn't there somewhere else you should /g/o?

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Bleh...
by mmu_man on Sat 5th Apr 2008 11:37 UTC
mmu_man
Member since:
2006-09-30

I recall seeing a Vista install happenning...
after getting BIOS settings right it went almost fine... until one wanted to install custom drivers.
One went "This driver requires Windows XP or higher",
the other went "The software has detected the Operating System currently running is *not* Microsoft Windows".
That would explain a lot of things ;)

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