Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 15th Jun 2008 21:11 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE "Of all the community distributions, probably the least known is openSUSE. After two and a half years, the distro is not only still working out details about how its community operates - including how its governing board is elected - but also struggling to come out of the shadow of its corporate parent Novell, much as Fedora has emerged from its initial dominance by Red Hat. With the pending release of openSUSE 11.0, community manager Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier suggests that the distribution is finally starting to get the recognition it deserves. In the middle of preparations for the new release, Brockmeier took the time to talk with Linux.com about the priorities within the community and its relation with the larger world of free software."
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Stable and mature
by francisco on Mon 16th Jun 2008 02:54 UTC
francisco
Member since:
2008-03-13

After 10+ years using FreeBSD for all my server needs, I tried PC-BSD for desktop. Unfortunately there were some types of work I could not do with it.

After trying several Linux distributions I found OpenSuse to be easy to use, feature rich, stable and mature.

Even more importantly I have found it has a wonderful community of very helpfull volunteers.

Most definitely worth a check if you are looking to try a Linux distribution.

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best kde distro
by pixel8r on Mon 16th Jun 2008 03:06 UTC
pixel8r
Member since:
2007-08-11

I still believe openSUSE is the best (read: highest quality) KDE distribution available. Not that openSUSE is specifically targetting KDE over Gnome (maybe they are, i dont know)...

What I mean is that if you want to run KDE, I believe openSUSE to be the distribution which will give you overall the highest quality desktop with the most polish and integration.

It is stable, and very well put together. There are loads of packages available and lots of info on the net for opensuse (howto's, forums, official guides etc).

Of course I am just voicing my opinion, your own preference for a "KDE" distro may be different to mine.

Looking forward to openSUSE 11.0. Should be a great release and an important milestone. Hopefully there will be an update for KDE 4.1 once it is released, or maybe an openSUSE 11.1 including a more mature and updated KDE 4.1.

Being the last release for this next "wave" of Linux Distribution releases, I hope openSUSE 11.0 is worth the wait!!

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RE: best kde distro
by collinm on Mon 16th Jun 2008 14:27 UTC in reply to "best kde distro"
collinm Member since:
2005-07-15

every opensuse survey confirm it, around 70? of their user use kde

they suppose to put same effort... but i found the kde deskop under suse more polish every time

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RE: best kde distro
by RRepster on Wed 18th Jun 2008 16:21 UTC in reply to "best kde distro"
RRepster Member since:
2008-06-18

I agree with your assessment of OpenSuse's implementation of KDE. It is very polished, although Fedora 9 seems equally polished so far as well. Maybe I'm just a sucker for customizing the "K" logo on the launcher button but it does seem I get far fewer KDE crashes in both OpenSuse and F9 than I do in Linspire/Freespire's KDE implementation.

OpenSuse also has a repo. system that I find similar to Ubuntu's which makes finding packages a breeze.

The next server I slap together at home I plan on using OpenSuse. Yes I know the console only one Ubuntu has is good and I've used it before but OpenSuse has included some very nice tools for administration that just makes things simpler.

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Bonehead stereotyping
by tux68 on Mon 16th Jun 2008 06:31 UTC
tux68
Member since:
2006-10-24

Trying to paint everyone who disagrees with the Novel/Microsoft deal as a non-contributing mal-content blogger is either disingenuous and self-serving, or horribly uninformed. This type of ad hominem attack is really beneath a large-project leader; he'd have done better to not broach the subject at all.

Other than that, it sounds like the project is doing all the things necessary to become more prominent and on par with the other community distros.

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v speedy recovery
by dwave on Mon 16th Jun 2008 13:51 UTC
RE: speedy recovery
by collinm on Mon 16th Jun 2008 14:26 UTC in reply to "speedy recovery"
collinm Member since:
2005-07-15

opensuse is one the first distribution to have adopted lsb

yast is just a front end to reduce the need to use console...

you can use suse without using yast...

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RE[2]: speedy recovery
by dwave on Mon 16th Jun 2008 14:38 UTC in reply to "RE: speedy recovery"
dwave Member since:
2006-09-19

I have been hearing arguments like this before and I usually retort "then why use OpenSuse after all if you put that much effort in switching off all the Suse specific stuff?"

And no, at some point Yast is not a front-end that you just disable to get a common Linux environemnt. There are several configuration files and scripts that are very unique in their syntax and location.

That OpenSuse is regarded to be LSB compliant only shows how flawed the standardized LSB tests are.

Edited 2008-06-16 14:42 UTC

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RE[3]: speedy recovery
by collinm on Mon 16th Jun 2008 15:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: speedy recovery"
collinm Member since:
2005-07-15

why use suse when we don't want to use yast...

easy opensuse have one of the better polished kde desktop
nice documentation
a lot of package
stability
one click install

also opensuse adhere to FHS

don't follow the standard is often good...

arch linux don't really use standard filesystem... and that allow to boot very quickly...

don't forget the standard os of the majority of user is windows...

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RE[4]: speedy recovery
by dwave on Mon 16th Jun 2008 15:59 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: speedy recovery"
dwave Member since:
2006-09-19

Yes, Windows is on the desktop. Desktop, this dready places where people create Powerpoint slides and double-click mail attachments, among other things. This a different league. And I don't see how OpenSuse or any other distriution will ever be a major success on the desktop.
I see the server as the more promising market. I am running SLES on one of my servers for a customer. I never got the hang of it. Package availability is a joke, the whole system is a pain to maintain and to administrate in comparison with sane Linux distributions.
But fine, keep OpenSuse on the desktop. I can see that is offers some incentives there if you don't demand to much or are new to linux. No offence meant.

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RE[4]: speedy recovery
by steogede2 on Tue 17th Jun 2008 11:38 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: speedy recovery"
steogede2 Member since:
2007-08-17

Not wanting to turn this into a flame war about YaST, but...

opensuse is one the first distribution to have adopted lsb

yast is just a front end to reduce the need to use console...

you can use suse without using yast...



SuSE might be 'just a front end', however SuSEConfig (one of the main tools it is a front end to) is integral to making SUSE what it is. Yes, SuSEConfig can be disabled, but you lose a lot of what makes SUSE what it is.

Also, to say that the purpose of YaST is to 'reduce the need to use a console' completely ignores the fact that YaST is the only Linux system configuration tool which is equally usable in both a graphical and console environment (the only system configuration tool fullstop, AFAIK).

IMO SUSE has the most complete set of configuration tools of any distro, nothing else come close - and it often works without any problems. However, if you need to make changes outside of YaST or use certain non-SUSE packages (e.g. server software that interacts with other software configured by YaST), you would be well advised not to - unless you REALLY know what you are doing (i.e. are prepared to find and read documentation, config. files and even the occasional PERL script).

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RE[5]: speedy recovery
by collinm on Tue 17th Jun 2008 12:17 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: speedy recovery"
collinm Member since:
2005-07-15

somebody have begining to port yast to fedora

http://mzugec.blogspot.com/2008/05/research-of-possibility-running-...

more work... and fedora could use it

mandriva have something similar to yast and it work under console to

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RE[6]: speedy recovery
by satan666 on Tue 17th Jun 2008 12:58 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: speedy recovery"
satan666 Member since:
2008-04-18

In response to "IMO SUSE has the most complete set of configuration tools of any distro, nothing else come close - and it often works without any problems. However, if you need to make changes outside of YaST or use certain non-SUSE packages (e.g. server software that interacts with other software configured by YaST), you would be well advised not to - unless you REALLY know what you are doing (i.e. are prepared to find and read documentation, config. files and even the occasional PERL script)."

Mandriva has rpmdrake. It is not even fair to compare rpmdrake with yast. Rpmdrake is 100+ times faster and more reliable than yast. The only downside of rpmdrake (compared to yast) is that you are not patent protected so Microsoft could sue you anytime they like.

Edited 2008-06-17 13:02 UTC

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RE[7]: speedy recovery
by collinm on Tue 17th Jun 2008 13:14 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: speedy recovery"
collinm Member since:
2005-07-15

you mix 2 thing...

the package manager and the distribution manager...

yast is not only a tool install and remove package...

don't forget, opensuse 11 have a new took to install software and it's a lot faster than previous release

Reply Score: 2

RE[7]: speedy recovery
by RRepster on Wed 18th Jun 2008 16:25 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: speedy recovery"
RRepster Member since:
2008-06-18

MSFT has yet to prove it's patent claims and besides OpenSuse doesn't fall under the supposed "protection" like SLED does.

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quotes are still great...
by Googol on Mon 16th Jun 2008 14:02 UTC
Googol
Member since:
2006-11-24

... to judge an article, thanks. - Now, why would I even read this one where openSuSE is always at least number 3 or 4 at Distrowatch..? How can it be not known..?

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Not Popular??
by gan17 on Mon 16th Jun 2008 16:04 UTC
gan17
Member since:
2008-06-03

The first line says, "Of all the community distributions, probably the least known is openSUSE"

Huh!!....Least known??..... but it ranks at no. 2 or 3 on the Distrowatch list.

Am I missing something?

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RE: Not Popular??
by steogede2 on Tue 17th Jun 2008 09:38 UTC in reply to "Not Popular??"
steogede2 Member since:
2007-08-17

Indeed. They probably should have written :
Out of the three best known community distro's OpenSUSE is one of the three least known.

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