Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Aug 2008 00:05 UTC, submitted by sonic2000gr
Linspire Xandros has announced the end of Linspire. The company says that it had too many for-pay distributions running around in the company portfolio, so one was bound to be cut. Linspire didn't make it. "Xandros purchased Linspire, the company, earlier this summer. This week, the company announced that it was going to revamp community distribution Freespire, basing its next version on Debian instead of Ubuntu, and using it as a precursor for Xandros Desktop Professional, in much the same way Red Hat uses Fedora and SUSE uses openSUSE. But the company didn't need multiple for-pay desktop distributions, so Linspire is getting the boot."
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v Good riddance!
by satan666 on Wed 13th Aug 2008 00:15 UTC
RE: Good riddance!
by flanque on Wed 13th Aug 2008 02:22 UTC in reply to "Good riddance!"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

PS: Guys, don't forget to hit that thumb down button.


Done, with compliments.

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RE: Good riddance!
by TaterSalad on Wed 13th Aug 2008 18:11 UTC in reply to "Good riddance!"
TaterSalad Member since:
2005-07-06

PS: Guys, don't forget to hit that thumb down button.

You got it!

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That took longer than I thought
by tuaris on Wed 13th Aug 2008 00:51 UTC
tuaris
Member since:
2007-08-05

I remember when I first heard about "Lindows", the moment I heard the name "Michael Robertson" and MP3.com I knew it was going to be a failure.

Nothing that guy made was worth anything. This doesn't surprise me, I am just wondering what took so long.

If anyone should come up as "Miserable Failure" on Google, it's this guy.

Edited 2008-08-13 00:54 UTC

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RE: That took longer than I thought
by hadyn on Wed 13th Aug 2008 07:46 UTC in reply to "That took longer than I thought"
hadyn Member since:
2006-05-14

How is this so? He has stacks of cash. I am sure he does not care that now its being canned.

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I knew it too...
by Mage66 on Wed 13th Aug 2008 02:13 UTC
Mage66
Member since:
2005-07-11

Once Linspire started basing themselves on Ubuntu, I knew it was over.

I bought Xandros, but it hasn't been updated in years. Not unlike Linspire and Freespire.

I guess I'm looking for a new Distro of Linux...

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RE: I knew it too...
by happycamper on Wed 13th Aug 2008 04:16 UTC in reply to "I knew it too..."
happycamper Member since:
2006-01-01



I guess I'm looking for a new Distro of Linux...



well in that case let me recommend Gentoo linux.:)

www.gentoo.org

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RE[2]: I knew it too...
by daedalus8 on Wed 13th Aug 2008 05:13 UTC in reply to "RE: I knew it too..."
daedalus8 Member since:
2008-03-10

"

I guess I'm looking for a new Distro of Linux...



well in that case let me recommend Gentoo linux.:)

www.gentoo.org
"
LOL from Linspire to Gentoo... Hrmmm he'll probably grow old or go back to ms trying to figure things out!!

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RE[2]: I knew it too...
by Liquidator on Wed 13th Aug 2008 07:05 UTC in reply to "RE: I knew it too..."
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

Gentoo is great for advanced users, but this guy is probably more better off with a user-friendly distro such as Ubuntu, openSUSE, Fedora, Centos or PCLOS. With Gentoo, if he doesn't have much time and motivation, he can get frustrated at one point, especially if he doesn't need much flexibility.

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RE[3]: I knew it too...
by Mage66 on Wed 13th Aug 2008 14:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I knew it too..."
Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

I've tried most of those. Ubuntu is too brown. I like blue. I know this sounds awful... But, one of the things I liked about Linspire was the user interface.

It was familiar and smooth.

I like DreamLinux, but the 3.1 version is not easy to install. Again, it's not intuitive like the previous version was.

I like Xandros Home a lot. But, it hasn't been updated in ages. And I'm not Linux-savvy enough to connect to other repositories and roll my own updates.

Linux needs to use a unified installer system like MacOS and Windows does, so you download an installer executable and it installs the app correctly. No worrying about dependencies or anything.

Which is why I think Xandros bought Linspire. For CNR.

But, Xandros hasn't shown a willingness to support their PAID users who bought Xandros Home. I get ZERO upgrades. Not of the OS, or of apps.

I could stick with Xandros as my daily driver except it's years old, and so are the apps on it.

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RE[2]: I knew it too...
by Mage66 on Wed 13th Aug 2008 14:05 UTC in reply to "RE: I knew it too..."
Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

I have Gentoo, but it's not meant for the casual Linux User. Linux itself is still not polished enough for the casual user.

Apple did it with MacOS X. I just wish Linux programmers would stop thinking Geek, and start thinking the rest of us.

I like the idea of Gentoo, which I think is that it recompiles itself to be as efficient as possible on the system you have.

I just wish it were easier to install.

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RE[2]: I knew it too...
by robertojdohnert on Sun 17th Aug 2008 22:35 UTC in reply to "RE: I knew it too..."
robertojdohnert Member since:
2005-07-12

or since he is going from Linspire

PC/OS http://www.pc-os.org

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RE: I knew it too...
by protagonist on Wed 13th Aug 2008 05:34 UTC in reply to "I knew it too..."
protagonist Member since:
2005-07-06


I guess I'm looking for a new Distro of Linux...



You might consider one of the BSDs instead. Both DestopBSD and PC-BSD have a lot to offer.

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RE[2]: I knew it too...
by Liquidator on Wed 13th Aug 2008 07:09 UTC in reply to "RE: I knew it too..."
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

Linux has the advantage to provide native commercial application such as some free Adobe products (Adobe Reader and Adobe Flash Player), while you need a compatibility layer with *BSD. Although this may not be a problem for some people.

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glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

You might find Sabayon Linux, Mandriva or MEPIS not only useful but interesting as well. If you have a 64 bit CPU I recommend Studio 64.

Alternatively, Solaris and the BSDs have much to recommend them in terms of available software and stability/security. You will just need to see if they are a good fit for you and what you do.

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Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

I've used MEPIS, thanks. I donated for it several years ago.

It's a good, solid distro.

Maybe I should go back and look at it again.

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giraffe Member since:
2006-10-13

Foresight Linux is another good, but underrated, choice. It's a rolling release that uses the conary package manager and has come a long way in ease of use from even a year ago.

Reply Score: 1

appropriate replacement
by bolomkxxviii on Wed 13th Aug 2008 10:32 UTC
bolomkxxviii
Member since:
2006-05-19

Instead of Ubuntu, Mint Linux would be a better fit because it comes with the codecs we all use (even if we don't admit it). PCLOS is another good choice.

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RE: appropriate replacement
by Mage66 on Wed 13th Aug 2008 14:10 UTC in reply to "appropriate replacement"
Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

A lot of my friends are using Mint, and I'll have to check it out.

FrozenTech doesn't carry the CD's for it, so I'll have to download the latest and burn one for myself.

Reply Score: 1

v Comment by satan666
by satan666 on Wed 13th Aug 2008 12:32 UTC
Don't forget the many accomplishments
by drcoldfoot on Wed 13th Aug 2008 12:32 UTC
drcoldfoot
Member since:
2006-08-25

Of the Lindows Team. Even though the project received many critical reviews, In it's younger days, this OS was cutting edge. Click and Run was a masterpiece for ease of install for a Windows convert. Having a Windows Feel with the KDE environment "Though not Perfect" was more of a Godsend for many other distributions trying to attempt the same thing. Let's not forget the lightening fast install.

For many power users of Linux and Advanced Users, this distro was almost akin to selling out.

But with Michael Robertson at the healm, I believe the project had a clear focus and Usability was a main factor.

The fatal flaw in this deal was the same as in most for pay Linux Distros for the Desktop. The expense didn't justify what teh end user received. Why buy Lindows when, like most startups, Customer service Sucked? Even Novell's SLED has paltry CUstomer Service for an Enduser. When you have a Free Distro such as Ubuntu that was also easier to use and have a community backing?

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It's always sad when a distro dies
by Vlad on Wed 13th Aug 2008 12:55 UTC
Vlad
Member since:
2006-03-23

While I was never a user, I drove past the Lindows (and later Linspire) building in La Jolla, CA many a time. It's always sad when a distribution dies, even when it's a commercial one. Linspire helped bring much needed commercial attention to Linux when companies were looking for an alternative to Windows 98 or even Windows 2000. But I knew it was over for them when Xandros stepped in and picked them up...distros buying distros always seem to be a death knell, one way or another.

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satan666 Member since:
2008-04-18

It's always sad when a distribution dies, even when it's a commercial one. Linspire helped bring much needed commercial attention to Linux when companies were looking for an alternative to Windows 98 or even Windows 2000. But I knew it was over for them when Xandros stepped in and picked them up...distros buying distros always seem to be a death knell, one way or another.

I think distros buying distros is a good thing. It consolidates the remaining distros. There are maybe 500 Linux distros out there. Don't you think they are too many? For most of them, apart from the wallpaper you can't tell one from another. Wouldn't it be much better if all those small distros pooled their resources together? A few strong distros have a better chance to get significant market share in my opinion.

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Mage66
Member since:
2005-07-11

Every time I hit the Linux Mint homepage, it attempts to deliver a trojan.

Someone has messed with the page.

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kurtlinux Member since:
2006-06-20

You must be using Windows and IE... Wont work on Linux. hahahaha.

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Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

You must be using Windows and IE... Wont work on Linux. hahahaha.


That was a "troll-like" reply. Using Windows and IE to access a website is no excuse to deliver a trojan payload to users.

How can one switch from Windows to a Linux Distro if the website of the distro is unfriendly and actively hostile.

Grow up guy!

Windows owns the PC world. You might not like it, but being a butthead about it, doesn't change anything. And it especially doesn't make you appear to be very bright.

Reply Score: 2

MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

It's not like Mint decided to give a trojan to people who dared visit their site with IE. They had nothing to do with it (aside from their lax security measures): someone hacked the site.

"Our server was hacked and code was injected into it to make connections on our behalf to pinoc.org and download a trojan called JS/Tenia.d

For more information about this trojan: http://us.mcafee.com/virusInfo/default.asp?id=description&virus_k=1...

If you visited linuxmint.com in the last two days we recommend you scan your computer to make sure this trojan isn’t present. As this attack exploited vulnerabilities within our PHP code we took the opportunity to clean it all and secure every single page against injections in the future. Linuxmint.com is now clean and secure but we experienced almost 20 hours of downtime and we lost almost 2 days of work into fixing this.
"

Obviously it's a bit of a black eye for them to have their site hacked, but it's not the same as maliciously delivering a trojan to Windows users. Grow up yourself.

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Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

No, it's not a black-eye for LinuxMINT at all.

What I think is great, is that they fixed it as soon as they found out, and sent out an apology email to everyone who reported it.

They also posted the issue on their blog.

That's honesty and transparency and I think that proves that the LinuxMINT folks are brave and truthful.

Good on ya!

Reply Score: 1

Can't See a Future for Xandros
by segedunum on Wed 13th Aug 2008 14:36 UTC
segedunum
Member since:
2005-07-06

As things stand I can't see a future for Xandros either. They're just a distributor leeching off free software, contributing very little, if anything, back and trying to dump a whole load of proprietary tools and interfaces on top of it to make it look like Windows. They're not solving anything in the Linux world, and if anything, they're part of the problem.

Reply Score: 4

Try Mandriva?
by Extreme Coder on Wed 13th Aug 2008 17:09 UTC
Extreme Coder
Member since:
2007-07-26

@Mage66: Have you tried out Mandriva? Get the Mandriva One KDE(or Gnome if you want), and it's pretty blue too ;)

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RE: Try Mandriva?
by Mage66 on Thu 14th Aug 2008 02:13 UTC in reply to "Try Mandriva?"
Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

I have the latest Mandriva here (I think). I haven't tried it yet.

I just installed Linux Mint on an old Celeron 2.9 box, and figured out how to install DreamLinux on a P4 2.4 box. In fact, I'm posting this on the DL box now.

I like DL better than LM. It feels more like MacOS X, which I use on my old Pismo Powerbook and an Intel Mac Mini.

I'm getting sick of Windows and hoping that ReactOS goes beta in my lifetime, and Haiku gets to a 1.0 release soon.

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There is a reason ...
by deb2006 on Wed 13th Aug 2008 20:40 UTC
deb2006
Member since:
2006-06-26

... why distributions such as Slackware and Debian are still around. And why Linspire and such are doomed to fail.

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RE: There is a reason ...
by DrillSgt on Wed 13th Aug 2008 21:10 UTC in reply to "There is a reason ..."
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"... why distributions such as Slackware and Debian are still around. And why Linspire and such are doomed to fail."

And what pray tell might that reason be? Please share your enlightenment.

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RE[2]: There is a reason ...
by satan666 on Wed 13th Aug 2008 21:24 UTC in reply to "RE: There is a reason ..."
satan666 Member since:
2008-04-18

And what pray tell might that reason be? Please share your enlightenment.

Let's see:
Xandros and Linspire:
1. Offer very few applications packaged.
2. The applications are badly outdated.
3. You pay for them.
Debian and Slackware:
1. Huge software repositories
2. The latest versions available.
3. They are free.
A first grade kid should be able to give the right answer. Are you?

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RE[3]: There is a reason ...
by DrillSgt on Thu 14th Aug 2008 00:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: There is a reason ..."
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"Debian and Slackware:
1. Huge software repositories
2. The latest versions available.
3. They are free.
A first grade kid should be able to give the right answer. Are you? "


Well beyond first grade actually. I agree that Xandros and Linspire have outdated packages. So does the stable version of Debian. Has been a long time since I tried Slackware. Gentoo has more recent packages.

You might not be so bad if you could get beyond the playground antics ;)

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RE[3]: There is a reason ...
by Mage66 on Thu 14th Aug 2008 02:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: There is a reason ..."
Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

Um, have you looked at CNR?

Lots of packages there. Just not every single program available for linux.

You sound like an anti-Mac zealot who says "there's no software for the Mac!"

What you need is the best from each kind of software, and CNR had a lot of that available.

Nobody needs 100's of media players. Just the top 3 or 4 are sufficient.

Remember, CNR wasn't about quantity, but quality.

Also, did you volunteer to package and maintain thousands of packages for CNR???

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RE[4]: There is a reason ...
by deb2006 on Thu 14th Aug 2008 09:20 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: There is a reason ..."
deb2006 Member since:
2006-06-26

CNR, ah well. I personally don't need anything else than apt-get install xxx. CNR is bloatware for me.

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RE[2]: There is a reason ...
by fretinator on Wed 13th Aug 2008 21:29 UTC in reply to "RE: There is a reason ..."
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

"... why distributions such as Slackware and Debian are still around. And why Linspire and such are doomed to fail." And what pray tell might that reason be? Please share your enlightenment.


IMHO, Debian is still around because it embodies the spirit of community development. The names change, but Debian lives on forever. The have such a great, open, enduring process.

Meanwhile, Patrick V. is just one very determined, downright stubborn dude who refuses to go away in this age of mega-distros like Suse, Redhat/Fedora and Ubuntu.

2 very different reasons, but they both share one thing - very strong vision.

My fiftieth of a $

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......
by islander on Wed 13th Aug 2008 22:41 UTC
islander
Member since:
2007-04-11

There's like at least 100 active linux distros @ Distrowatch.

Linspire will be sadly missed *sniff *sniff ... right!! I dont think so.

Guess when you deep in a hole you just grab who closest to crawl over their back then rid the dead weight as soon you see daybreak.

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DREVILl30564
Member since:
2008-04-18

considering that I had purchased a lifetime membership for linspire for $99 a few years back.

I never really messed with it much, as I preferred to use vanilla debian, or ubuntu but I always downloaded the new versions just to check in and see how they were doing.

I used to like the xandros OCE releases but it looks like they don't do those anymore.

I only bought one retail copy of xandros version 3.0 realized I had no need for crossover office so the OCE version worked fine for what I needed for it.

I thought they had quit releasing OCE versions so if I'm incorrect please forgive my ignorance.

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satan666 Member since:
2008-04-18

It means that you ought to stop paying loads of money to these crappy distros. Do yourself a favor and get yourself a free copy of Debian or Mandriva or Fedora or Ubuntu or basically anything else. And if you want to contribute money, donate something to the distro of your choice.

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DREVILl30564 Member since:
2008-04-18

I didn't give linspire money to buy their product, the money they got from me was when they were fighting against microsoft over in europe back around 2004 or so.

Like I said I really didn't use their software, only donated to help fight "The man"

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