Linked by David Adams on Sat 6th Sep 2008 14:36 UTC
Windows Microsoft's absurdist TV ad starring the odd couple of Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld is just the first volley in what promises to be a shock and awe campaign aiming to improve the public image of Windows Vista and position itself as a computing innovator.
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Sadness
by Buck on Sat 6th Sep 2008 14:48 UTC
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As I've already commented on AI, this first ad (with the shoes) looks really sad and sentimental. Kind of a goodbye from Microsoft, there's definitely no aggressive push as in 'Get a Mac', there's just nothing, the autumn, the sentimentality and fading away.
Here's the link by the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz6amk3P-hY

Edited 2008-09-06 14:50 UTC

Reply Score: 6

RE: Sadness
by evangs on Sat 6th Sep 2008 18:32 UTC in reply to "Sadness"
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2005-07-07

there's definitely no aggressive push


That ad was complete and utter trash. What were they advertising? Shoes?

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RE: Sadness
by modmans2ndcoming on Sun 7th Sep 2008 03:31 UTC in reply to "Sadness"
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Seems that it was a little over your head.

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Forget the adds
by Gone fishing on Sat 6th Sep 2008 14:50 UTC
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He said the first ad is a teaser for future installments, which will highlight improvements Microsoft is planning to make to Vista.


Forget the adds just make the improvements - I have to use Windows I want speed, compatibility, speed, improvements to the user interface, speed and Vista to waking up properly with a working mouse would be nice.

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Calculating correctly would be useful too
by gustl on Sat 6th Sep 2008 16:45 UTC in reply to "Forget the adds"
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As I had to discover the hard way, Windows cannot calculate correctly when the machine is under heavy load.

I am using 3 of four processor cores to solve a multi-body dynamic simulation (of a car engins), and using the 4th core to prepare the next model, using ABAQUS.
Whenever I do that, the simulation diverges after some time (but every time slightly differently). If I let the computer alone, the simulation runs through.

None of this happens with HPUX, IRIX, AIX or Linux. There I can run the simulation with all 4 cores, and still work with ABAQUS, effectively overloading the machine, but the simulation runs as it should.

It would be even more helpful than speed.

Reply Score: 8

evangs Member since:
2005-07-07

That doesn't sound right at all. What program were you using to do these calculations?

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bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

Umm...considering Microsofts virtual non showing on the top 500 super computers you actually think their products can be used for serious computing?

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daschmidty Member since:
2007-03-01

While I agree that I wouldn't be suggesting windows as a high-performance computing environment. The top 500 supercomputers reference should also be taken with a grain of salt considering most supercomputers are pretty exotic hardware that you likely couldn't even make windows boot on. Alas, the comment regarding the divergence is a scary thought, since the current trend for many large corporations in industry using such software for dynamic simulation is away from aging UNIX boxes and toward pc workstations.

Edited 2008-09-06 22:26 UTC

Reply Score: 3

jayson.knight Member since:
2005-07-06

Umm...considering Microsofts virtual non showing on the top 500 super computers you actually think their products can be used for serious computing?


MS practically owns the TPC list, which is a much more relevant benchmark for computers as they related to real world processing within the business realm, which is where the vast majority of computers are actually used. The giant multi-thousand core machines on the Top500 list are niche products.

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RE: Forget the adds
by modmans2ndcoming on Sun 7th Sep 2008 03:31 UTC in reply to "Forget the adds"
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Because corporations are incapable of doing two things at once.

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"gets people talking"
by gfacer on Sat 6th Sep 2008 15:04 UTC
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I read a blog post that said the ad was partly successful as it got people talking about Vista!

It is the worst ad I have ever seen!

1) A normal person wouldn't even know it was about Vista. I don't I still don't know that....it was apparently supposed to be though.

2) It isn't funny, and I differ in some opinions that it isn't really even amusing.

3) Bill gates? He's retired and a stiff....how on earth does he relate to the "future" (and isn't Vista the "present"?)

4) For the talent of the hired actor, ad agency, money poured into it, etc. it should be better.

Now, if the idea was someone saying:

"people has stopped bashing our product as much since the launch....we need to get that "buzz" back"

"Lets make a crappy bizarre commercial!"

Then yeah, it's great.

Reply Score: 4

New shoes
by ShadesFox on Sat 6th Sep 2008 15:13 UTC
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I don't know, the ad has been out for a day and people are abuzz about it. Now, if this translates into a good thing for Vista I'm not sure. People are talking about the ad, not Vista. I guess We'll see in a few months.

My main concern is actually well demonstrated with the shoes example. People don't just go out and buy new shoes. The problem with Vista isn't that the shoes don't fit right. The problem is, the old shoes aren't worn out and busted. They are fine. So people are not shopping for new shoes. This does break down because with PCs the hardware can become old and busted and then you get Vista anyways, for the lack of caring and/or knowledge on how to keep XP.

Still, I think the target message misses the mark. So let's see what other ads are coming up.

Edited 2008-09-06 15:14 UTC

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RE: New shoes
by bert64 on Sat 6th Sep 2008 17:34 UTC in reply to "New shoes"
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2007-04-23

Well, with the current state of the economy, people would be foolish to buy new shoes when the current ones are perfectly good.

Therefore, people are less likely to buy a new computer, which is how most people ended up with XP.. Yes it was slower than previous versions, but the new hardware it came with was so much faster it compensated for it.
Buying Vista for an existing computer takes away money that could be used to upgrade some aspect of the hardware, while actually making the machine run slower.

Computers have been more than fast enough for the average user for years, as the new trend of small laptops shows...

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Comment by Thom_Holwerda
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 6th Sep 2008 15:30 UTC
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I always thought that Seinfeld was one of the most overrated comedy shows out there, and this does little to combat that.

I have absolutely no idea what this commercial was about. I didn't see any jokes, I didn't get the allegories, and I barely knew who this Seinfeld guy was anyway. I'm under the suspicion that this commercial is aimed squarely at the American, with little to no relevance in Europe (apart from die-hard Seinfeld fans, maybe).

Reply Score: 11

RE: Comment by Thom_Holwerda
by Phloptical on Sun 7th Sep 2008 23:51 UTC in reply to "Comment by Thom_Holwerda"
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2006-10-10

Ha! Consider yourself lucky to not have had that dumb show of Seinfeld's inundate every aspect of pop-culture in your country. For one, I'm american and I hated that show. If you weren't sure, here's the premise of the show...a bunch of New York jews who make fun of people. That about sums up the 10+ years that dumb show was on.

To get back on topic, this ad for Vista just makes the Mac v PC ads hit home even harder. Here's Microsoft trying to be "hip" and "cool" again.

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RE: Comment by Thom_Holwerda
by theTSF on Mon 8th Sep 2008 19:40 UTC in reply to "Comment by Thom_Holwerda"
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While it had its moments I don't think it really was that great. I never really felt bad or good about the characters. I don't think the show would have lasted as long as it did without Kramer someone just so out there.

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Amusing
by oblio on Sat 6th Sep 2008 15:53 UTC
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I thought it was fairly amusing. If nothing else it looks like the picture on Bill's membership card is his mugshot. If so then he doesn't take himself too seriously. Of course I am also using Vista Home Basic on my laptop and am starting to think it's not that bad so maybe they slipped me some kool aid.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Amusing
by TaterSalad on Sat 6th Sep 2008 16:33 UTC in reply to "Amusing"
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2005-07-06

I noticed his mug shot too and started to laugh when I saw it. Your not alone, I enjoyed the commercial for the entertainment. Guess I'm easily amused.

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Vista ad
by protagonist on Sat 6th Sep 2008 16:10 UTC
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I wish people would just drop the word "innovative" when referring to MS. They have done very little innovation in the computer world. As for the ad, it was neither innovative nor funny.

MS should take a cue from Apple. I actually log into Apple's site from time to time just to see if I have missed any of their ads. And Jobs didn't have to spend $300 million to hire a comedian who is not particularly funny.

Reply Score: 8

I liked it
by TaterSalad on Sat 6th Sep 2008 16:31 UTC
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I liked the commercial. It was fairly entertaining and it has the industry abuzz about it. The problem is people who hate Microsoft aren't going to like it no matter what they do.

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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Sat 6th Sep 2008 16:38 UTC
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2005-11-10

A product that comes on every computer anyway, does not need an advertising campaign.

This is damage control.

If they want to improve Vista's reputation, they shouldn't have released a turd to begin with. What happened to the Windows 2000 way of doing things?? Why is it other OSes improved upon what Windows XP could do, and Microsoft just ruined it instead?

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RE: Comment by Kroc
by jbauer on Sun 7th Sep 2008 08:48 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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2005-07-06

What happened to the Windows 2000 way of doing things??


You mean the same Windows 2000 that was crucified on launch? *cough* 63000 bugs *cough*. People were saying back then the same things they're saying now about Vista, though now there are more expert tech bloggers, of course.

Here, a random link and quotes just for fun:

And there's one other important thing to realize: everyone knows Windows 2000 sucks[...] I never managed to do any real work on a Windows 2000 machine. Sure, I would play around and test it out to an extent, but when a late beta of Windows 2000 managed to crash repeatedly while in the middle of Solitaire, I knew the OS was doomed.


http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/1514/1/

That was 8 years ago. Funny how soon people forget. Who knows, in another 8 years maybe Vista will be remembered as the best Windows ever :-)

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Sun 7th Sep 2008 08:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-11-10

I didn't run a *beta*. I used Win2000 dual boot with Windows 98 (for gaming) circa 2001, and I had no issues with the OS.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by jbauer on Sun 7th Sep 2008 09:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-07-06

I didn't run a *beta*. I used Win2000 dual boot with Windows 98 (for gaming) circa 2001, and I had no issues with the OS.


And I've run Vista without issues for a year now, but that's not the point. The point is, W2K was badmouthed the same way XP was later, and the same way Vista is being badmouthed now. And it will all be forgotten with the next Windows release, too.

Edited 2008-09-07 09:08 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Sun 7th Sep 2008 09:23 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-11-10

I'm not a muppet who thinks "Just because previous versions of Windows were thought of as bad, Vista therefore isn't". That's called pulling the wool over your eyes. The reason I know why is because Mac OS X is faster, easier to use and more practical than Vista.

If Vista was better engineered, why is it that on the same hardware XP is faster *in every aspect*. Boot, networking, disk. All of it. Yet Leopard is faster than Tiger. History is not an excuse for more continued bad engineering.

"Doing more" is not an excuse either. Leopard does more too.

Edited 2008-09-07 09:25 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by REM2000 on Sun 7th Sep 2008 10:03 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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windows 2000 wasn't badmouthed that much at all. The 6300 bugs issue was a brief period of time where some marketing was pushed against windows 2000.

Windows 2000 was a massive success for both Microsoft and business. It gave business a very reliable business orientated OS. It introduced ALOT of functionaility. Active Directory, USB support etc.. etc.. It was the biggest revolution since Windows 95 to 3.11.

It had a massive uptake because businesses saw value for money, there was a reason to upgrade.

Windows XP was bad mouthed for two reasons, the first is that for consumers it was slower at running games and required a lot more resources to run the same apps at the same speed. This is due to the higher requirements of the Windows NT Line. It was bad mouthed by businesses as it offered no reason to upgrade from Windows 2000, it required more memory and processing power to do the same thing without no extra benefits.

The second reason, windows XP only came into it's own with Service Pack Two. If reviewers at the time were given a WinXP SP2 at release perhaps it wouldn't have been bad mouthed as much.

Now ive been using vista for a month and so far it's not bad. I tried it at the beta stage and wasn't impressed, i tried it at RTM and still wasn't impressed. With SP1 + numerous other updates it's now pretty usable. However there's not really many reasons why i would upgrade to Vista over XP.

Also for the console comment earlier on, yes Nintendo, Sega and Atari were out and about, however Sony was the first console maker to market their console to adults and in particular the 20 - 30 age bracket. They ran ads in all lads mags at the time, where as nintendo and sega were still marketing to kids. This is the console segment Microsoft wants with it's Xbox series. To tell you the truth this is the thing nintendo wants now, the ninendo DS and Wii are marketed towards adults where as previous consoles N64 and SNES where marketed to kids.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by stestagg on Sun 7th Sep 2008 10:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-06-03

That was 8 years ago. Funny how soon people forget.


That article was released in the same month as the official Windows 2000 launch. Everyone expects a few negative reviews when a new product comes out. In this case, we're approaching 2 years after the release date [for Volume licence customers] and still people are saying that is has big issues

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Comment by moleskine
by moleskine on Sat 6th Sep 2008 16:42 UTC
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The add presents Microsoft (through the person of Bill G) as something unthreatening, friendly to all the family and good value too, even something of a bargain. Microsoft is simply a regular thing that all regular people have. No fuss, and it's fine to be ordinary.

The ad doesn't need to push or hard-sell anything. After all, most folks already have Microsoft on their PCs. The ad simply reassures them that they've made the right choice, as natural as breathing and as down-home as apple pie. Getting folks to buy your product without their even realizing they've made a decision to buy your product rather than the next guy's is what this stuff all about. Personally I think it's all hogwash but then I'm not in the Microsoft camp.

BTW, the ad strikes me as aimed primarily at women. Judging it as an ad aimed at men is probably getting it wrong.

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Wow
by Windows Sucks on Sat 6th Sep 2008 18:16 UTC
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And people have the nerve to still say that MS is innovative??? Vistas issues have proven that MS just copies!

Sony came out with the PS, MS copied with the Xbox

Apple makes money on the iPod, MS comes out with the Zune

Now Apple is doing well with it's ads which are funny and fresh, MS copies.

Mac geniuses are very good and popular, now MS is copying that!

Good lord!

MS can't figure out any original way to grow it's company!

Yes they are making plenty of money with their current customers and the lock in they have with them. But nothing new! Not in decades. Same old BS that is not working anymore. They better just stick with Windows and Office. And try to make more money off dumb Americans and Europeans. Cause the rest of the world is getting hip.

And the fact that they STILL have to pull out Bill Gates to sell product is funny as hell. Bill has 50 Billion and is retired! Seinfeld could not hold his own?? Wow. Pretty sad.

(edit for spelling)

Edited 2008-09-06 18:22 UTC

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RE: Wow
by BluenoseJake on Sat 6th Sep 2008 18:25 UTC in reply to "Wow"
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2005-08-11

And people have the nerve to still say that MS innovative. Vistas issues have proven that MS just copies!

Sony came out with the PS, MS copied with the Xbox


Uh, there were tons of game consoles before the playstation, get real, MS didn't copy anybody.

Apple makes money on the iPod, MS comes out with the Zune


Does that mean Apple copied Sandisk, Creative, Sony and all the other music player manufacturers? My God, there isn't too much new under the sun, why is Apple allowed to enter a market, but when MS does it's copying?

Now Apple is doing well with it's ads which are funny and fresh, MS copies.


MS's new add didn't disparage the competition, like Apple's ads, they didn't portray Apple users as nerdy business types, they just made an amusing ad, Apple hasn't copyrighted funny, last time I checked.

Put the glass of kool-aid down and grow some perspective.

Edited 2008-09-06 18:26 UTC

Reply Score: 9

RE[2]: Wow
by bnolsen on Sat 6th Sep 2008 19:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow"
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2006-01-06

Have to agree here. Microsoft's innovation was regarding their "business", not their technology.

Even though I love technology and do it for a living the real innovations happen when the business side falls into place.

And yes Microsoft is in a hard position. They're trying to find ways to expand their business. But at this point for them to do the right things business wise means they have to cut themselves off at the knees doing it. What's still making them money today is going away and they're not interested in making that go away faster.

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RE[2]: Wow
by Windows Sucks on Sat 6th Sep 2008 20:44 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow"
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2005-11-10

Uh, there were tons of game consoles before the playstation, get real, MS didn't copy anybody.


I never said the PS was first. No what I said is that MS copies. Everyone knows that the PS took Game systems mainstream. As normal once MS sees someone making it big on something they copy!

Does that mean Apple copied Sandisk, Creative, Sony and all the other music player manufacturers? My God, there isn't too much new under the sun, why is Apple allowed to enter a market, but when MS does it's copying?


Again Apple took the portable media player main stream and then MS came along. And MS as always made it clear that the iPod was their target!

MS's new add didn't disparage the competition, like Apple's ads, they didn't portray Apple users as nerdy business types, they just made an amusing ad, Apple hasn't copyrighted funny, last time I checked.


No, again MS has made it clear that they are aiming right at Apple. And I am sorry but that ad was not funny. The only thing that is funny is they have to get Bill Gates back and stick him in ads! Sad!

And I notice you didn't mention MS coping the Mac genius idea. I also noticed that you did mention that MS is now coping the iPhone App Store. (As is Google)

MS doesn't innovate. If you think they do then the crack pipe got you worse then the Kool Aid has gotten me!

Edited 2008-09-06 20:47 UTC

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RE[3]: Wow
by BluenoseJake on Sat 6th Sep 2008 22:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wow"
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I never said the PS was first. No what I said is that MS copies. Everyone knows that the PS took Game systems mainstream. As normal once MS sees someone making it big on something they copy!


so all those nintendos, ataris and segas didn't exist? Where the hell did you grow up? Game consoles were pretty big in the 80s and early 90s.

Again Apple took the portable media player main stream and then MS came along. And MS as always made it clear that the iPod was their target!


Taking something mainstream is not inventing it, dominating a market is not inventing. Lots of people had flash based mp3 players before the ipod, come on, you're just grasping at straws.

No, again MS has made it clear that they are aiming right at Apple. And I am sorry but that ad was not funny. The only thing that is funny is they have to get Bill Gates back and stick him in ads! Sad!


in the ad, they never mentioned Apple at all. I see no evidence to back up your assertion. They are targeting the negative view the market has for Vista, and if that includes Apple, too bad. Apple certainly has been badmouthing Vista. I didn't see MS badmouthing Leopard.

I also found it funny, that's my perogative. I'm sorry you didn't like it, but some of Apples ads weren't funny to me, others made me laugh my ass off. Humor is subjective.

And I notice you didn't mention MS coping the Mac genius idea. I also noticed that you did mention that MS is now coping the iPhone App Store. (As is Google)


So MS having dedicated tech support for Vista is copying Apple? They don't even have retail stores! How the hell are they copying Apple? That whole argument just cries for a cluebat. and having a website to download apps for your phone is innovative? Really? I don't think so. I ignored them earlier because they were pretty inane arguments, I wish I could have continued to.


MS doesn't innovate. If you think they do then the crack pipe got you worse then the Kool Aid has gotten me!


I'm writing this from my Debian Lenny system, so I am pretty sure there is no crack here, I guess I just have a more "balanced view" on the computer industry. Like I said before, there is not much new under the sun.

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RE[4]: Wow
by Windows Sucks on Sat 6th Sep 2008 23:36 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Wow"
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2005-11-10

so all those nintendos, ataris and segas didn't exist? Where the hell did you grow up? Game consoles were pretty big in the 80s and early 90s.


I guess you were not around in the 80's and early 90's but the video game industry almost went out of business during the 80's and everyone says that it's the PS that really brought it back into the mainstream!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_video_game_crash_of_198...


Oh and here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15734058

Sony was saying, Look this is gonna replace the PC. It's gonna replace the DVD player, said Xbox creator, Seamus Blackley. It's going to be the anchor of your home entertainment experience and can go beyond that as well.

Replacing the PC was not what the leading computer software maker in the world wanted to hear -- especially since PlayStation was outselling the top five PC makers combined.

The sort of messaging Sony did around PlayStation II certainly catalyzed a lot of kind of competitive spirit among people at Microsoft,said Blackley, who really didn't particularly enjoy Sony saying that a game console was going to replace Excel, for instance, or you know, Word for Windows."

As I said protecting Windows.

Taking something mainstream is not inventing it, dominating a market is not inventing. Lots of people had flash based mp3 players before the ipod, come on, you're just grasping at straws.


Again you don't read. I said nothing about inventing anything. What I said was that MS doesn't get into things until they see someone doing well at it or they feel Windows being threatened.

And yes there are plenty of other companies around a long time before Apple, yet MS never came out with a player. Then when the iPod got hot MS not only came out with one but one with all the same internal parts??

in the ad, they never mentioned Apple at all. I see no evidence to back up your assertion. They are targeting the negative view the market has for Vista, and if that includes Apple, too bad. Apple certainly has been badmouthing Vista. I didn't see MS badmouthing Leopard.

I also found it funny, that's my perogative. I'm sorry you didn't like it, but some of Apples ads weren't funny to me, others made me laugh my ass off. Humor is subjective.


LOL! You are right cause what you say here is funny so I have to laugh and that is my prerogative! No they didn't say anything about Apple, or even Microsoft or Windows! Who knows what the heck they were saying! Besides looking desperate!

So MS having dedicated tech support for Vista is copying Apple? They don't even have retail stores! How the hell are they copying Apple? That whole argument just cries for a cluebat. and having a website to download apps for your phone is innovative? Really? I don't think so. I ignored them earlier because they were pretty inane arguments, I wish I could have continued to.


Wow, do you have an iPhone? I assume not, it's not a "website" to download applications (That would be Apt on your Linux install) Its a market place that monetized applications in one convenient location. Good for developers to make money and great for users so they don't have to go all over the place to get apps!

And innovative or not, Microsoft didn't do it as normal till someone else has done it right and it could cause MS to loose sales.

As normal MS is not doing it to provide something good for the customer!

Oh even more funny MS is not saying they are coping Mac geniuses, no they say they are coping Nordstrom! LOL!

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080905/microsoft_image.html?.v=2

The world's largest software company plans to have 155 "Microsoft Gurus" in U.S. stores by the end of the year, and expand based on the project's success, Microsoft's general manager of corporate communications, Tom Pilla, said Friday.

These gurus will be answering questions about PCs and Microsoft products, as well as giving demos of how the company's products work together -- help designed to get them thinking Microsoft.

Think of that as borrowing a page from Nordstrom with that retail customer experience," Pilla said, referring to the upscale department store chain known for customer service.

MS has been in business for 30 plus years and NEVER, EVER has MS had "Microsoft Gurus" in stores! Again they are doing this because Apple looks good doing it!

I'm writing this from my Debian Lenny system, so I am pretty sure there is no crack here, I guess I just have a more "balanced view" on the computer industry. Like I said before, there is not much new under the sun.


Just because you are using Lenny has nothing to do with nothing. Linus Torvalds uses a Mac to develop Linux. And that means????

Nothing....

Edited 2008-09-06 23:37 UTC

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RE[5]: Wow
by StychoKiller on Sun 7th Sep 2008 04:35 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Wow"
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2005-09-20

Perhaps these so-called gurus can tell me why they make the only operating system that continually annoys me (someone with over 20-years C programming experience) by 2nd-guessing me every time I try to delete a file. Or maybe they can explain why WindowsXP (home version) keeps trying to commandeer my home network by refusing to work correctly with the other Linux Samba machines present... The list goes on...

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RE[6]: Wow
by stestagg on Sun 7th Sep 2008 10:59 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Wow"
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You really think that these 'Gurus' are anything more than glorified call-centre staff?

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RE[5]: Wow
by BluenoseJake on Sun 7th Sep 2008 19:26 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Wow"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Just because you are using Lenny has nothing to do with nothing. Linus Torvalds uses a Mac to develop Linux. And that means????

Nothing....


It means that I don't just blindly hate or champion a product or company. I try things out, and I use the best tool for the job. Right now I am trying out Lenny, before that, this computer had XP, 2003, FreeBSD, Fedora and Ubuntu installed at one time or another.

I dpn't just stumble blindly, getting emotional over an OS or a piece of software, or a companies actions. I don't hate MS because of their business practises, or Apple because of their perceived coolness.

I don't think MS copies Apple all the time, anymore than I think Apple copies Windows or even the Xerox Star. I don't think that Linux copies Windows or OS X. I think there is a certain level of functionality that an OS has to support, and if you don't have it, your product will do poorly.

With Advertising, I think there is only so many ways to sell a product. People remember amusing ads. MS is not copying Apple, they are using time tested advertising techniques (humor and famous people).

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter how MS or Apple advertise their products, or who has the newest whizzbang feature in their software, it matters what I (or you, or your grandmother) need to get done, and choosing the best value for you, that works the way you expect it to.

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RE[6]: Wow
by Windows Sucks on Sun 7th Sep 2008 20:31 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Wow"
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2005-11-10

I don't think MS copies Apple all the time, anymore than I think Apple copies Windows or even the Xerox Star. I don't think that Linux copies Windows or OS X. I think there is a certain level of functionality that an OS has to support, and if you don't have it, your product will do poorly.


Yet MS has been sued and lost over that "level of functionality" for guess what???? Copying Apple. Hummmmmmm. Had to buy 150 Million in Apple stock!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_v._Microsoft

With Advertising, I think there is only so many ways to sell a product. People remember amusing ads. MS is not copying Apple, they are using time tested advertising techniques (humor and famous people).


Yet Microsoft has never done this as with the MS Guru till they saw someone else do it and make something out of it.

See you keep over looking the facts. Even Microsoft's own people say they are doing this to be like someone else. They always do! I don't see anyone else doing that and admitting to it. If you read around business stories EVERYONE including people who have no stake in computers look at what MS is doing and the first thing they all say is that it's an answer to Apple!

It means that I don't just blindly hate or champion a product or company. I try things out, and I use the best tool for the job. Right now I am trying out Lenny, before that, this computer had XP, 2003, FreeBSD, Fedora and Ubuntu installed at one time or another.


And there is no blind hate. Show me where it's blind. I show my feelings with fact and a pattern of behavior that MS has shown. The same pattern that has gotten MS sued in the US, the EU, China (Now you know you messed up when China is suing you)

The same pattern where MS goes and illegally under cuts prices so they can keep market share!

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117

""We wanted to use Fedora 5 and it went all the way to office of [the Filipino] President and they kept passing it around saying 'why would they offer something for free, and how would they support and teach it'," Gonzalez said. "The project dragged on for four to five months to a point where Microsoft matched the price by offering Windows XP for $US 20 a copy and throwing in Office for $US 30, but we still came out cheaper."

That is not competition! According to them in US $ they would not be close to making money! They would be losing it! And this is current stuff. Not stuff from the 80's or 90's

Anyway. As always this will fail and MS will have to re up on those 3 Year license agreements they have and then add 1 or 2% to them to make it look like business has gone up!

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RE[6]: Wow
by Windows Sucks on Mon 8th Sep 2008 20:04 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Wow"
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2005-11-10

Here goes a funny one for you. LOL!

http://www.search.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=2188815&s...

On the heels of a tremendous reception by customers for version 1 of Windows Home Server, the team just released power pack 1 last week, and is beginning the planning of the next big release. To staff up a rock solid team for delivering the top notch UI for the next release, we are looking for a developer with a strong passion for slick UI. You would be responsible for designing and coding the very visible and highly confidential UI capabilities that we are adding to Windows Home Server. Just to give a couple of examples ? Time Machine compete UI for backup and restore,

Copy cat! As always.

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RE[2]: Wow
by atsureki on Sat 6th Sep 2008 21:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow"
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2006-03-12

"Apple makes money on the iPod, MS comes out with the Zune


Does that mean Apple copied Sandisk, Creative, Sony and all the other music player manufacturers? My God, there isn't too much new under the sun, why is Apple allowed to enter a market, but when MS does it's copying?
"

Because Microsoft plainly copied Apple.

The first Zune was a direct feature and price copy of its contemporary 30 GB iPod, except that it was much larger, had a clunky wireless advertising system and FM radio, and lacked the click wheel and several expected software features. The current Zune is a direct feature and price copy of the iPod Nano (same caveats). The Zune is tied to a significantly more restrictive version of the one-device-only DRM music store model and to a buggy and poorly laid out jukebox application to bring it all together, and the whole thing only works on one operating system instead of two. At every link in the chain, the only differentiating factors are either dubious extra features or notable inferiority, and the chain itself was deliberately copied from Apple.

The iTunes + iPod system was revolutionary with its combination of open formats, liberal usage rights, consistent song pricing, and well-designed hardware and software. That's why it became popular early on, and its competitors still aren't even that far. Apple didn't "copy" anyone in the way that Microsoft recently attempted to copy them.

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RE[3]: Wow
by Windows Sucks on Sat 6th Sep 2008 22:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wow"
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2005-11-10

Right Atsureki.

The goal is to try and keep people on Windows, not to provide a really good device.

It's the same thing with almost every product MS puts out!

The goal is to try and keep the Windows lock in.

People say "Well is competition!" If that were the case then they would not be afraid to make the Zune for example work on Mac OS. But that is not the real goal. The real goal is to sell a device that will keep people on Windows and not have those users curious about the Mac and other OS's etc. They know a lot of iPod users that like the iPod will also then look into other Apple products. Not cause they are forced to because the device only works on the Mac but because they like the iPod.

Yes if the iPod was Mac only it would never have sold as well. But that is part of the reason why the Zune doesn't sell well. (Besides sucking) But as I said the goal is not to sell a lot of Zunes, its to keep people on Windows.

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All publicity is good publicity???
by bolomkxxviii on Sat 6th Sep 2008 19:58 UTC
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2006-05-19

The ad isn't funny. Bill Gates isn't the future, he is the past. He is a gold card member of the "Clown Card", The shoes and store are cheap and tacky. The photo on the clown card is embarrassing. Yes, everyone is talking about the ad, but not is a positive way. As far as I can see, all this ad does is humiliate Bill Gates. Is this just trying to make him and Microsoft seem more human? I thought that is what the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation was for. Ditch Vista. Use Server 2008 and add only the features you need.

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Jerry Seinfeld?
by factotum218 on Sat 6th Sep 2008 20:07 UTC
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Member since:
2007-03-20

It was just a matter of time before they started playing the "Bill is a nice guy" angle now that he is retired.

I'm betting this is just the start of the "Microsoft is like a big candid conversation with a dated celebrity" campaign.

Edited 2008-09-06 20:20 UTC

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RE: Jerry Seinfeld?
by JLF65 on Sat 6th Sep 2008 22:41 UTC in reply to "Jerry Seinfeld?"
JLF65 Member since:
2005-07-06

It was just a matter of time before they started playing the "Bill is a nice guy" angle now that he is retired.


Yeah, I've seen lots of comments all over that the purpose of the ad was to "humanize" Bill Gates - to show he's just a "regular guy" after all.

This should put a stop to that bizarre notion that Gates has billions of dollars and lives in a castle surrounded by a moat! Oh, wait...

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Awful
by dwave on Sat 6th Sep 2008 21:00 UTC
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2006-09-19

The ad reminds me a lot of the ad Jerry Seinfeld did just after the Seinfeld Chronicles finishes the last season. If I remember correctly it was for some credit card company and had Jerry walking around with an elderly Supermen through NY talking about nothing really.
Tata, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofLH2ZzLtvU
It's arguably slightly more funny and Jerry has less belly and more hair. But it still shows that the whole Seinfeld Chronicles concept doesn't work well outside the show - they can't recreate the setting where this is actually funny. Or it might be that Jerry without Larry David as a co-writer and the whole crew is not that funny after all.

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exigentsky
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2005-07-09

I find the title really amusing. Is Vista considered so bad that one must specify that Microsoft is running a "Pro-Vista" campaign just in case some might assume Microsoft is trashing its own operating system?

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Opportunity for spin
by chartster on Sun 7th Sep 2008 02:36 UTC
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2006-12-18

Woeful ad, although it is ripe material for a spoof.

Going along the shoes theme, perhaps some MS exec with half a brain should fit a pair of steel capped boots and kick the idiot who came up with this right up the rear end as punishment. With any luck they can also give Jerry Seinfeld a few serves - quite possibly the most overrated comedian of our time, and 'comedian' is a term I use loosely.

As another thought, perhaps the Seinfeld TV tagline "The show about nothing" has mutated into "The ad about nothing"? Let's hope its not the shape of more things to come.

Edited 2008-09-07 02:44 UTC

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What a disaster
by hraq on Sun 7th Sep 2008 19:59 UTC
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2005-07-06

1. I never in the past liked to watch that comedian guy; I simply don't like his jokes.

2. The ad doesn't add info about why we should use vista, unlike mac ads which gives real reasons.

3. Even the ads ideas are stolen from Apple..please stop it. It won't improve the negativity about your product

4. the Ad has nothing to do with Vista, it wasn't mentioned.

5. Vista with SP1 and all updates installed will give you feeling your hardware is 6 years older; due of course to its bugginess.

6. Ads will never solve the problem with the OS. It's true that you can brainwash people about their ideas if you use media propagandas, but when users have experience with the product then this won't make any difference. Ask hungry people of Africa or elsewhere about their highly advertised regimes leaders and how they think about them

7. The Only salvation to MS current collapse is to really really copy Apple approach if not the real methods. Produce another well done immune OS from scratch and then create an emulator for it to satisfy the crowd who cry out loud compatibility. Then once the OS is accepted go ahead and pull out the emulation and run native (can be done in a period of 8 years). MS doesn't need to drop all the code in vista or xp, they can borrow some of it of course to save time.

8. MS should drop the never ending number of editions they produce; its getting even difficult to computer knowledgeable person to know the differences between; if they don't want to do that, then at least make the installation of all these versions installable from a single disc. Vista still has 2 different DVDs. One for Enterprise and one that contains the rest.

9. Hire another design team because vista interface is a mess and nested windows suck for productivity. Compare Apple's system preferences and Windows Control Panel. Also, Where is the menu bar on IE all customers are asking how can I reach it when a help technician is trying to help with IE issues; don't tell me that I have to press Alt; just do show it by default

10. MS must rewrite IE and windows explorer because they are the most crashable MS product till now.

11. Include a very powerful AV software if you are lazy to rewrite windows to make it immune by design. Also include a more powerful recovery solutions than ones already exist

12. I am tired of giving MS advices they will never listen to.

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WTF
by Soulbender on Mon 8th Sep 2008 19:56 UTC
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2005-08-18

Ok, I admit I liked Senfield and I think Jerry's a funny guy but...WTF? It was cute and a bit funny (BG used the same picture on the ID that is in his arrest report) but it's probably a good idea if it's possible to figure out what you're selling. Shoes? Bread? Oh, Vista. Really?
This better be an installment in a sequence of ads other so that, you know, that can actually mention the product they're selling in the other ones.

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And another thing
by factotum218 on Mon 8th Sep 2008 20:15 UTC
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2007-03-20

Anyone who has watched Seinfeld knows that he was a Mac user for years. Well, maybe not a user, it was never powered on, but it always sat there like a paperweight on that desk by the window.

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