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Now that the new features are complete is the OpenOffice team planning on making and changes to the User Interface?
the UI in OO isn't the easiest to use by any means. I don't think they should make it look like Office 2007 as that's pretty confusing itself, but if they could get it up on par with how Office 2003 is it would make it a lot easier to get Joe Six Pack to use it.
Open office UI is a clone of MS Office in 90% of use
People like what is familiar...
How do you want the UI to behave differently? You said NOT like MS office 2007?
Its often easy to say 'I want the the UI to be improved' but how SPECIFICALLY do you want it changed? Have you submitted this request to OOo? If you dont tell them, you cant expect them to make the change :-)
How do you want the UI to behave differently? You said NOT like MS office 2007?
Like for example to add new colors or gradients to the available selections, you have to close the selection dialog and goto Format->Area...Colors, Add. Sure, it's easy enough to do, but for the first several weeks I thought that OpenOffice didn't allow custom colors or gradients.
And I remember my boss had a weird habit of starting formulas on spreadsheets with the + sign instead of the = sign. It worked in MS Office, but not in OOo, and he would put his fist through the screen when it didn't work.
Oh well, live and learn.
i think majority of people have not migrated to ms office 2007...
and you think people can throw money everywhere like that...? wake up
I hope they let us turn off the stupid context sensitive toolbars now.
The toolbars pop up and move the whole page down and it jumps.
It's really stupid.
And no, you can't fix that with custom toolbars.
And the blurry fonts if you enable bytecode rendering on Linux, was also a major blunder.
Those two basically made using Oo very unpleasant.
Been using the beta, now its time to install the real thing :-)
OOo is now (to me) a suitable replacement for microsoft office
I say this for 2 reasons
1) I can now happily recommend it to non IT friends over office 2007 KNOWING they will find it easier to use
2) My boss has now let us choose what we use :-)
(although due to an exchange server, migration away from office isnt anywhere near 100% yet and wont be anytime soon for emails)
Does anyone know how it complies with VisualBasic? I use OpenOffice.org all the time, but people who write VisualBasic macros in their Excel worksheets end up sending me things I can't use. Sometimes I can't use it even on the Macintosh version of Microsoft Office.
I use 'simple' vb macros and it has worked fine with them. I'm not an accountant/banker (although few are this week than last :-p)so cannot speak on heavily complex systems. For my needs, it works without issue
http://go-oo.org/ is supposed to have better VB compatibility. Never tried it myself.
If you find that the OpenOffice.org is down, get the release at a mirror site. E.g.:
Thanks for the mirror.
I noticed that the entire OpenOffice site seems to be down. They must've been pretty underprepared for the onslaught of downloads.
It would be nice to have a ribbon interface option (but keep a classic interface option too).
Still to slow to start, still to memory hungry. Edited 2008-10-13 13:37 UTC
Not here. It took 5 seconds for the initial start (to get to the registration screens, etc., and 1 second thereafter. Much faster even than 2.4.1.
I'm running Vector Linux 5.9 on a Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3300+ (32 bit OS) with 1GB RAM. I used the SlackBuild version for Slackware 12.1.
For it to have started that quickly:
You had to have almost everything already in disk cache. Perhaps you had loaded it earlier?
Perhaps Slackware includes the open office quick starter preload program?
Or possibly your Slackware doesn't include Java support, in which case you cannot use macros.
On my Fedora 9, Athlon XP 2000 with 512 MB RAM and a pair of RAID-0 15k SCSI drives it takes 15 seconds from cold start.
Not really. Just disable Java and it will load twice as fast.
Afaik, java is not launched immediately in OO.org. except if you run the database module or if you have a java realted plugin.
also, if you install the Java 6 update 10 release candidate, it (java) starts up very very fast.
Care to share -numbers- (as opposed to spreading FUD?)
*Cold* start, 2 x Xeon E5335, 8GB, 3 x 320GB in RAID5, Fedora 9/x86_64.
$ time oowriter
I love the Office 2007 UI. I don't know why people hate on it so much because I like the Ribbon interface. I can understand why people don't like it but to me it is an improvement over the old UI.
I like it to, it's so much easier to work than the old menu driven interface. The reason why people hate is simple - Microsoft made it. If OO.org would present similar approach to interface before MS than everybody would praise it and comment how innovative and cool it is.
The ribbon UI looks great but after the good look, I do not find it quite usable for several reasons:
1. The people used to know the old menu and the functionality it provided. When Office 2007 was released, everybody had to learn where everything was relocated.
2. The excuse: "everything is contextual and organizated by functionality" is due to the bad organization in the pre-2007 Office menu... the menus should contain everything organizated by functionality too!
3. All applications have File | Edit | View options and everybody knows where their things are and what's their functionality. I do not see why removing such very standard menus to other places.
4. They also replace the hot keys to new ones! That's unforgiven!! Edited 2008-10-13 16:36 UTC
All those reasons boil down to "I don't like it cause its different".
In all honesty, that is a valid response. If you take the time to gain a level of competence with things one way, of course you will not be as comfortable with something designed completely differently. The question that comes next is is there enough benefit to the different way to make it worth learning? I have yet to meet a single person who has taken the time to learn 2k7 that does not absolutely love it. Im not the biggest office user personally, but I really hope MS extends the ribbon ui to their other products that have an insanely complex toolbar/menu system (like studio).
I like to test it.
The need definitly bigger servers, I can't load the website, seems a lot of people like to test it =)
I've been using OpenOffice (draw) for the last month or so together with a plugin to enable the ability to edit PDF files, this allows me to
* create my own pdf's within openoffice
* edit them later
for FREE !
and it works really really well
more details about it here _(for Windows) > http://www.windows-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=510
and here (for linux) http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3594
I've had no problems with the beta release at all so i'm very confident the final release will be fantastic,
well done to the OO team ! Edited 2008-10-13 14:33 UTC
I'd like to use OpenOffice. Unfortunately, documents I get look different in Office and OpenOffice. I suppose documents I write in OpenOffice will look different if opened with Office.
I'm not in the mood for gambling with my grades :-)
I think you might have forgotten what it's like to be in school. If the instructor wants a doc file, you do not send a pdf. If something like spacing, margins, or anything else is off they're probably not going to cut you slack for using openoffice or accept that different word processors are going to produce different results. Especially when you're the only one in class who seems to have trouble with it. Now, I 'was' able to do all my papers in openoffice. But I can see why someone might be nervous about it.
I know exactly what you feel. In some situations, having 90% compatibility is almost just as bad as having 0% compatibility. IMHO, one has to live with the fact that sometimes you just can't use the tools you prefer. If you try to make do with bad compatibility you end up hating the not-quite-compatible FOSS application, when it may be a great tool on its own if you remove the strict format compatibility requirement. It's a good thing to raise awareness about alternatives, but you have to keep your marks and then your job.
I most appreciate OO's compatibility with MS Office when importing documents, but AFAIK, completely seamless interaction between the two office suites is just not possible at the moment.
Yep I got bit by that one, funny thing is I was using Office 2003 at the time and they were using Office XP (no I didn't *want* to use 2003 but that was what they had on some of the systems at the time). Different versions of office don't always treat their own files the same, so that's an issue bigger than simply Openoffice's word compatibility. And don't even get me started on opening Office 2000-created files in 2007, that can be worse than OO in some cases, much worse. Same for office on the PC vs on the Mac, it can be a nightmare.
The thing is, even with a so-called standard document format, people have different ideas of what some of the features mean and how they behave. So I'm not sure we'll ever have 100% compatibility across office suites even with the same file formats. And then there's those that ignore the standard or deliberately use it differently to "add features."
"Perhaps things have changed. When I was in school we used a lot of dtf files and content was more important than file format."
Things have changed for school. Unfortunately they have also changed on the outside. When applying for a job, 95% of all companies/agencies want your resume emailed to them in MS Word Format. Sending them a PDF file is as good as never getting called for an interview. Ridiculous yes, however it is reality, at least here in the US. So in reality these day, sadly, format is more important than content to business.
yes, if layout is important (especially math intensive papers) do yourself and favor and take the opportunity to learn LaTeX.
After switching from MS Office to LaTeX for my Mathematics work, my productivity increased 10 fold.
I've published 17 books with it. Works great on my Mac and now on Linux as well now that I discovered WineFish (previously I used Kile and had trouble when I changed font size, the combo box would stick and so it was a pain to use).
on OS X I always used TexShop. I added bibtex when I wrote my Paper for my Senior Seminar class (man does bibtex make it super easy to deal with references in a paper, no matter how long git is).
Now on windows I use texnicenter. it has all available documentation built in (the stuff I used while on the mac) and the IDE environment is very good.
I played with Kile and loved it as well. never tried your app before.
Winefish is based on Blushfish the html editor and should be available in your Linux distributions repositories. It is for Ubuntu. I use TeXShop on the Mac as well. I have never tried LaTeX on Windows. I thought of trying an XML document authoring solution like TEI or Docbook since my area of academics is the humanities, but I LaTeX is so much more efficient, so much simpler, so much more support, it is many good free editors on the Mac and Linux, and I can convert it into almost any format I want to and it keeps most the structure and formatting. And the text looks great when I get the books back. And LaTeX availability is so widespread - they even have one for RISC OS as well. I self-publish with Lulu and I never had a problem with formatting using LaTeX. I also make great PDF/A-1a's with tagging via OpenOffice.org for another version of my texts. I get it into OpenOffice.org via latex2rtf and it even preserves structure that way. I even embedded Flash Paper versions of my texts in a PDF just with LaTeX and it works in Adobe Reader.
XML based layout can get very complex and is not suited to everything. Next time you are on windows, install MiKTeX and get a copy of Texniccenter http://www.toolscenter.org Edited 2008-10-15 01:33 UTC
I use LaTeX for long documents/books that are mostly text. I wouldn't use it for a picture books though. I made my picture books with Scribus.
3.0 STILL lacks proper support for OpenType fonts, which has now been pushed back to 3.1 or 3.2. Luckily, I have a nice selection of Type 1s from long ago, but for someone just getting started with building a font library, this could be a real PITA...
Yes, but then all the good font library builders would be wiped out by a particularly nasty virus picked up from an unsanitised telephone.
Still with an update system so bad, most regular users will never even get it installed. Man, how many OOo 2.1 installs I've come across because the update mechanism is as good as useless.
As a large and steadily increasing attack vector, it's about time office suites had a Firefox / Sparkle style update mechanism. MS Office kind of does it if you use Microsoft Update to include Office checks in Windows Update, but it's still not prompt enough and too naggy.
I was excited to read that this was released today. I downloaded a Windows version and Mac version to have for distribution at my company. I was excited to install the Mac version with native Aqua support. Very nice integration with the OS. Great job OpenOffice.org!!! One noticeable problem....out of the box....it is SLLLLOOOOWWWW! By default the Java Runtime is enabled in the preferences. I disabled it and it works MUCH better. It's still fairly slow on my black Macbook w/ 1GB RAM and OS 10.4.11. Has anyone else noticed this speed issue?
Java Version 1.5.0_07
I always prefer iWork because OO is annoyingly slow.
I disable java and the memory drop from 78mo (rsize) to 3mo, and from 1.13go (vsize) to 510mo. It also seems snappier.
What is the drawback?
I use use Pages for any documents with graphics - I don't know how OpenOffice.org 3 does on graphics, but I have not been happy with previous versions.
Why is there no Mac PPC release? Will there ever be? Or will we be ignored? Edited 2008-10-13 16:43 UTC
I am waiting for the PPC versions as well. On the download pages, if you choose other versions and languages they have it for a couple non-English language versions.
When I follow the link OS News gave in the article I get the following
The requested URL could not be retrieved
While trying to retrieve the URL: http://download.openoffice.org/
The following error was encountered:
* Access Denied.
Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect.
Your cache administrator is root.
Generated Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:48:39 GMT by cache5.sjc.collab.net (squid/2.5.STABLE3)"
No, isn't a bad link. Your network administrator that is blocking you from access download.openoffice.org.
Did you notice the "Access Denied" message?
Edited 2008-10-13 17:26 UTC
or it could be that the site has taken a hammering and they have quickly altered the front page to minimise the impact on the web site.
I do not have a network. I am directly connected to the internet from one machine and I did not set it up to block anything. Unless Comcast hates OpenOffice.org, and came up with a detailed message about it and is faking its identity as the hosting provider of OpenOffice.org, then it is OpenOffice.org host that is down.
the message from squid is actually coming from "collab.net", which is the owner of the oo.o IP.
PING www.openoffice.org (22.214.171.124) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from lemonlime.sfo.collab.net Edited 2008-10-13 21:18 UTC
So far Ooo have implemented a lot of useful features already existing in MÂ§ office. Multiple screens notes. Etc. However it took a long time to do so. especially considering how long they have been available in MÂ§. I must admit that I would like to know how Ooo handles notes/comments I'm a proof-reader (english is not my native/work language). And I need to know if it handles things exactly the same way. I would also like the ability to write to docx. Even if Ooo do have all the features I've missed I think I'll with with the upgrade untill 3.0.1 in december.
both odf and pdf support were added in office 2k7 sp2
"Given MS Office 2007 poor interoperability with earlier versions of MS Office, I wouldn't expect much of the interoperability with OpenDocument ... but I may be surprised."
You have mentioned this earlier on. Please expand on the so-called poor interoperability of Office 2007 with earlier versions of MS office? It seems to work great with users of Office 2000 and 2003. If you are going back to Office 97, then maybe.
"... it wasn't all that hard to find, really ... "
Funny...as I have not run into any of those. What were your experiences? Oh wait..you wouldn't know as MS is not OSS.
I've been without Java on my personal box for over 5 years now. Guess what baggage OO3 installs. Java 1.6
Meanwhile, every paid for Office suite I purchase goes bankrupt (Gobe RIP).
The Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office gives users of Microsoft Office Word, Excel and PowerPoint the ability to read, edit and save to the ISO-standard Open Document Format (ODF).
I think you missed the point... These are OO plugins to manipulate odf documents using MS Office software.