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RE: GREATEST ARTICLE EVER
Windows 2000 code was 5.0 and then we shipped Windows XP as 5.1, even though it was a major release we didn't' want to change code version numbers to maximize application compatibility.
Since when You tweak app compatibility by changing version numbers? Don't You do keep them compatible by keeping API stable anymore?
Edited 2008-10-15 12:36 UTC
OK, so Microsoft are free to call it what they want, but if it's really internally Windows 6.1 (to programmers), then I presume Microsoft are expecting to at some stage move to a version internally numbered '7'. When that time comes it will be confusing since a programmer may write an application for Windows 7, and the management demand it be compatible with the later version (which it is, as they're thinking of Windows "Super-Dooper").
However, it might be that after this next release (6.1, marketed as 7), Microsoft will do 6.2 (marketed as 8), 6.3 (marketed as 9), and then give up and start a fresh line of OS that is POSIX compliant or completely revolutionary. So to me this is a sign that Microsoft have a vision that an end to Windows will come.
Slackware did it to make fun of the version numbers of other Linux distributions, if I recall correctly.
It went something like this. Red Hat. "Ok, we're up to version 8, let's release Enterprise Linux 1.0. Oh wait, SuSE and Mandrake just released 9. Better hurry up and release 9 as well."
Slackware "what's wit all the version numbers? Screw it, let's jump the gun and say our version is 7!"
I think Debian is the only one who sanely is still at 4.0 (hopefully sooner rather than later, 5.0 will be out). They only change major version numbers if there is a core ABI / API update. The rest of the distributions used to do that, but look at Fedora. It only ever releases full numbers (1, 2, 3, etc). Suse releases 10, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 11.0, etc. Mandriva just does a year, then "spring" edition.
Really, shouldn't Windows Vista have been 6.0, then with sp1 it should be 6.1? Or would that be 6.0sp1 like Debian does their 4.0r4?
Slackware did the version jump because really, what difference does the version of release really make besides telling the users that there is a newer version out that has more up to date software.
Granted when you're talking about MS operating systems, a new version truly is a new version. Mainly because with the exception of the rather limited built-in games and built-in apps, the Operating System IS all the software you get.
I still maintain the ONLY good thing they did in Vista was FINALLY upgrade the Solitaire games (and included Mahjongg).
Just look at the comments in their blog - they're hilarious!
Well, way to go.
Yeah, and Ubuntu is about to reach 8.10. 8.10 is greater than 7 so Ubuntu must be much better than Windows 7. Though I'm not sure if I should switch to Solaris -- it is in version 10 already, so it must be superior.
I'm not sure about how I feel about Vista. I somehow can't decide on its quality.
Anyhow, I'm relieved to know that Windows 7 will be called Windows 7 because... because. This was a great article.
Between here and Slashdot I've shrugged off the last few articles about the naming of a windows point release as non-news and moved on. But considering that articles are still being posted on the matter, I have to ask, is there a point to such nitpicking?
Will this in anyway affect the feature set, or the hardware requirements, or the severity of drm,...?
I just can't image that we're really so starved for information on the release that the top discussion on the matter is which numerical value they should have chose.
I think it's more likely because they are working together with the marketing department of Intel... (Who are going to name their next generation processors "i7")
So, some time next year, expect to see advertisements saying something like this:
"Brand new Intel i7 laptop optimized for Windows 7"
Edited 2008-10-15 15:41 UTC
The explanation is pathetic. Says a lot that it is all they could come up with.
The Windows 7 name exists to distance it from Vista as much as possible. Grabbing into the coat tails of the now-trendy mac os numeral scheme is just a bonus.
Windows 7 is a small change rather than a big one, just like XP was, and just like its kernel version suggestions.
It may go down as the biggest red herring in software marketing history. We will see...
What a ridiculous statement.
Since when does features (of which the scope you have absolutely no idea) have any bearing on the name of a release?
Windows 7 is indeed Windows Vista + 1, that's undeniable in that it is the direct successor to it.
Windows 6.1 is being used for compatibility reasons (much like how Windows XP was 5.1).
Does that mean that XP was not a monumental step up from the non-NT predecessors? No. It just means that they decided to preserve a major revision number.
It's amazing there are so many articles over something so trivial. Accept it and move on.
the major version should be changed if backwards compatibility breaks. i see no other reason to change it.
a major version should not be changed if a lot of stuff has changed since this is not measurable. for marketing purposes alternative names can be used (like apple does). or in the worst case hide the major number from the product (like sun does). but not make up random names.
the 1/2/3/95/me/2000/xp/2003/vista/7 naming scheme is driving me nuts.
Why is this so important? Most users don't even know what version of their OS runs on their computers. Heck, I bet a lot of people wouldn't notice the name even if it was called "Windows Wang" or something.
Anyway, I'll take a number over Vista, Fiesta or any other word in spanish anytime. Yeah, a good "View" through the "Windows", pretty clever. My native tongue is spanish, and saying Windows Vista can't sound any more stupid (also, Terminator memories, ugh).
Edit: Typo.
Edited 2008-10-15 18:57 UTC
This is so stupid.
So XP was a major release but it didn't need a major version increment?!
This is why I didn't then and don't now consider XP to be a major NT release, just an "improved" (and more bloated) successor to 2000.
I was surprised that they were jumping from 6.0 to what should be "7.0" but then they jumped from NT 4.0 to 5.0 so why not, but at least the name reflected that "Windows NT 5.0 Workstation/Server".
Just call it Windows 2010!
If they're keeping a 6.1 version number just for the sake of application compatibility, the developers need a swift kick in the ass. I can understand checking for a specific version of a library, but doing a hard version check for the OS? I may be missing something here, and enlighten me if I am, but it just seems so bloody stupid. If I were writing an application, I'd have it check the system for the libraries it needs, not some arbitrary number that could have been picked at random. If I were to somehow alter the version number in Windows XP to something ridiculously high, would that break everything that was running before I did it? If it would, there is a serious problem in the way people develop for Windows.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just expressing an underinformed opinion.
They don't even know what consumers want and what they want themselves...
Windows 7 and Vista... If like Ballmer said Vista is good, why do they have to issue Windows 7, they can just go ahead with Vista SP1,2,3,4,5,6,7...
The fact is that Vista sucks, everybody knows that, but Microsoft just won't admit it!
Why do apple and ubuntu release new OSes if their OSes are so good? And vista doesn't suck, it's actually a great OS, but you have to actually think for yourself to figure that out, if you just go to slashdot and repeat what everyone else says mindlessly, then ya, it does suck I guess.
[edit] Oops I thought this would be attached to the post I replied too, oh well.[/edit]
Edited 2008-10-18 01:48 UTC
Has it ever occurred to you that it doesn't suck in your eyes because it used many of the ideas of Unix and Apple? And that those OS's in many ways are still in front of MS offerings?
I use Apple since around 1990 and *nix since 1998 and all I see when I use Windows is a badly done copy of what others have to offer. If you don't know anything else than Windows, then maybe Vista doesn't suck. However, judging from a limited horizon gives you a very skewed view of the world*.
*) IMHO most Windows users don't know anything else than Windows whereas most Mac / *nix users know Windows good enough to have an educated opinion.
Edited 2008-10-18 06:53 UTC




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